..why not divert those energies into accomplishing something valuable like having our own country?

Because the people who are able to do that do not want it. And people who want that are not able to do that.
Yet.

It would be a useful means to divert attention away from crazies and to something productive.

Yes.
But that requires smarts. Make of that what you will.

AE, I think an informal pitch delivered by, maybe, a book agent for America 2.0 is pretty reasonable when considered as a popular, money-making book or movie.

Oliver Lange’s deeply pessimistic Vandenberg remained in print for several editions, I think, and a title change. Lange portrays his Americans as morally vacant, quite at ease with the Soviet occupation’s military government. Rationing isn’t too bad, big-ticket consumer goods are still available, and almost no one pays attention to political arrests for non-conformity and detention camps. Reviewers of the first edition (about 1970) clearly recognized it as an allegory of contemporary America.

When Ilhan Omar wins the Democratic presidential nomination, goes on to win the presidency

Ilhan Omar is a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be POTUS.  Rashida Tlaib, maybe.

We need to get an independence movement started ASAP before it’s too late. I’ve just read an extremely disturbing post about what these people are planning: mass arrests of dissenters, secret police infiltrating the government’s political enemies, and gun confiscations. They are using comparatively minor shooting casualties to promote left-wing authoritarianism, and state-controlled opposition like the National Review is endorsing it:

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/08/05/national-review-calls-for-red-flag-laws-mass-arrests-of-shitposters-cointelpro-sabotage-of-white-nationalist-groups/

And by “white nationalist” they mean anyone who isn’t like David French and fellow Conservative Inc. types. That means websites like this one will be sabotaged (they’ve already quarantined r/Donald and banned several others since 2016) … any place where people don’t buy government / Leftist propaganda. It’s time to admit Donald Trump is a failure at best, traitor at worst. The republican party is a joke. Abandon it. It’s time to move on. Separate countries.

It’s not hard to see where this is all going. 80 million Boomers retiring, open borders invasion, constant mass media agitation against Christians and whites, China supplanting the US economically and the Empire responding with hysterical tariff threats and trade wars, the US abandoning the INF treaty, a deep recession is incoming, military recruiting is struggling, allies are abandoning the Empire (Turkey), Russia is outselling the US defense industry (S-400), massive government deficits and unprecedentedly low interest rates to keep the scam going …. things are going to get hot in the 2020s. Let’s get out while we can, before it’s too late.

PS. Recent shooting sprees are one of the reasons I support partition. Instead of pouring our energies into internet posting, radicalizing fringe people to do bad (unproductive) things, why not divert those energies into accomplishing something valuable like having our own country? It would be a useful means to divert attention away from crazies and to something productive.

Is that the case with the squad? I don’t think so.

Rich whites will certainly do all they can to ensure that the members of the Coalition of the Fringes have the appearance of power rather than the substance. And they will do all they can to ensure that they will still be pulling all the strings behind the scenes. And those rich whites are the ones with the money and money is power. Money is always power but it’s particularly the case in a political system as openly corrupt as America’s.

I think the odds are that the rich whites will manage to hold on to power pretty successfully.

Frankenstein’s monster is a crass comparison, but it’s a useful one.

There could be something in that. When Ilhan Omar wins the Democratic presidential nomination, goes on to win the presidency and her Administration seizes the assets of rich whites I’ll be convinced that there’s been a genuine transfer of power.

“The economy isn’t growing, but it’s maintaining a semblance of activity by liquidating the stored value of everything.”

You see this in the culture, too. Just take a look at how many movies/streaming programs are remakes or sequels or derivations of comic book properties; same with video games (exception: when the Japanese are involved). The number is astounding. Very little of anything that is popular is also original. They’re just mining what’s already there, but one wonders how long that can last. I get the feeling that a lot of this is driven by 1) foreigners who are easily impressed by the latest CGI, a trend that can’t last forever 2) nostalgic white men in the United States who want to relieve a childhood in a country that no longer exists.

“yet the US has run short on the number of soldiers it wants for several years now. Millennials and Zoomers won’t fight for the country.”

They’re so desperate they’re having to redouble urban recruiting efforts; they already spend enormous sums employing over 10,000 total recruiters (average number of new recruits per recruiter = 3-5 per year per recruiter). They are also considering possibly lowering the minimum age to join to 16 – child soldier range. For the most part, the only nations that do this are loser European nations like the UK whose native populations tell pollsters they wouldn’t be willing to die in a war for their countries or Middle Eastern countries like Iran. To put this into perspective, the following countries have a minimum enlistment age of 18 or higher: Afghanistan, Angola (18/20), Chad, China, Ethiopia, Gabon (20), Iraq, Libya, Myanmar, Oman, Syria, Yemen, etc.

You didn’t answer the question. :0

The question being – do European descendants get a country of their own? Yes or No. My answer would be that it would be nice if they did, but it’s unlikely to happen. It’s unlikely to happen because those European descendants don’t want it enough to make it happen.

“For my part, I doubt that man can ever tolerate both complete religious independence and total political liberty, and I am inclined to think that if he has no faith, he must serve, and if he is free, he must believe.”

Interesting quote. It seems that the collapse of religion may have some unexpected unintended consequences.

I’m inclined to agree with de Tocqueville. Without religion people suddenly become very interested in political ideologies as a source of meaning in life.

Sorry, you’re going to have to take my word on this one. Too many pieces of info on various platforms makes it difficult to maintain a decent level of anonymity. I eventually plan to become more public, but this first requires a level of financial independence.

Thanks for understanding.

Peace.

at this point in time European descendants do not appear to have much interest in having an ethnostate.

The Poles and Hungarians seem to be most of the way there.

It’s easier for them because Poland is full of Poles and Hungary is full of Hungarians. This is a result of historical good fortune – they were lucky enough to be part of the eastern bloc and therefore sheltered from western craziness until quite recently. Because of that stroke of luck their national/ethnic identity has not yet been dissolved.

In counties like the U.S. and Canada and Australia any coherent ethnic identities were dissolved long ago. The white inhabitants of the U.S., Canada and Australia have already been rootless cosmopolitans for several generations. And their national identities have been pretty much dissolved as well.

If you already have a strong identity you have at least some chance of preserving it, but once your identity has been lost you can’t regain it and it’s very doubtful if you can replace it with a new artificial identity.

And to be honest, in the long term the odds are stacked against the Poles and the Hungarians. They are EU members. The EU has no intention of allowing them to preserve their national identities. The U.S. has no intention of allowing those countries to preserve their national identities. Global capitalism has no intention of allowing those countries to preserve their national identities.

I can see scenarios where California, feeling its power and angry at middle America for electing another Trump, decides to secede.

Are you telling me that California’s elites would choose to become the elites of a middle-sized country with no real power? California has a smaller population than Italy or Spain. Its population is marginally bigger than Canada’s. So Californian elites will be happy to be the kingpins in a country with roughly the political significance of Canada?

And if they secede how much of a military establishment will they be allowed to take with them? No country would be insane enough to allow a breakaway state to take nukes with it. So militarily they’ll be on a par with countries like Spain or Canada.

These are people who see themselves as the destined rulers of the world. Not the destined rulers of a smallish country with no capacity to be a major player on the world stage.

I could easily imagine the upperclass white left losing political power

Elites do not relinquish power without a fight. There is absolutely no way the rich in modern western society are going to give up their power – we’re talking about an elite class that is remarkable for the extent of its arrogance and ruthlessness.

I suspect that upper-class whites will in future avoid being seen to wield power directly. They will wield power through proxies and stooges. They will allow members of the Coalition of the Fringes to have the appearance of power without the substance. Rich whites will still be pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

“Their country.” Lmao. Wake up dumbass

“If they want it, sure. If a majority of the 200 million+ European-descended Americans wanted a state of their own, they could have it. Who would stop them? ”

I dunno, maybe being taught from the moment they are born they they don’t deserve it? And that taken pride in themselves and their history is the most evil thing possible? How else have small groups of people in power maintained control over the masses? By convincing the masses that they have no power.

But to be clear, your position is that those 200 million really prefer to have to have control of the country they are in taken over by the non European-descended horde?

Good idea.

Preening old fools like you are precisely why a livable country is a “fantasy.” Enjoy your Diverse nursing staff — I’m sure they’ll take real good care of you, showing you as much love as you’ve shown your descendants

Move? This is the Current Year — we all live in one

The vast majority of Americans are moral cowards. As ever when dealing with such cattle, it takes a vanguard to steer them towards what’s best for them.

Try a mainstreamable novel to excite interest.

Possible titles: America 2.0, America 2029, Escape to Cascadia, The Rights of Americans, etc.

Description: Alternate future in a new nation-state, Cascadia, carved out of a post-devolutionary America. Characters and plot are rudimentary, and used mostly to illustrate the thinking that lies behind separationism.

Any 25-year-olds with lit skills, some time on their hands, and a taste for political thinking?

Thanks to all for the comments above.

He subsequently asserts that Trump only won the presidential election due to voter suppression.

Voter suppression is gonna happen again in 2020 for sure. The mass murder of mexicans in El Paso today was motivated by the desire to keep Texas Red. Texas is on the verge of going Blue which would be a devastating blow to Republicans. All eyes will be on Texas in 2020.

What you all are promoting is the shrinking, weakening and impoverishing of America.

Looking at the bigger picture the contraction of the Anglosphere will begin with Scotland choosing the EU after Brexit.

Just demoralize that demographic and that’s it.

I’d say

Just have enough of that demographics “converted” to “our” side and that’s it. Not more than 30 % should be enough.

I’m a supporter of dissolution and of repatriation. If we could repatriate the post-1965 immigrants, dissolution probably wouldn’t be desirable. But I see no way that repatriation will happen in the US as now constituted. Hence, dissolution is the only alternative to tyranny.

The Scots you speak of are those who treat being a Scot as a way to be PoCs and insist on narratives making them as big victims of the British Empire as Dot Indians.

That’s what makes White Nationalism or any other attempts to give Murica an identity beyond consumption and being special such a failure. The country was filled with mongrels early enough in its history. You can learn of compromises made when it came to citizenship. Which leads to torpedoing any later attempts to regulate immigration as those advocating such are quickly framed as selective/hypocritical.

My eyes glaze over when I see the typical bull-shit about how the mid-20th century was “over-rated” and otherwise unpleasant. Today’s younger Leftists neither lived through that era nor do they have the empathy to put themselves in the shoes of those who lived it. Objectively speaking, the average America was doing much better in the 1940’s-1960’s then they are now. That’s not “imagined”, that’s the truth.

And America experienced a “left” turn in the 1920’s, which created gradual improvements to people’s lives from that point forward. And these gains wouldn’t begin to stagnate until the mid-70’s, after which we were able to coast to some degree until elites began jacking up living expenses big time in the late 90’s.

Crime substantially rose in the UK, America, and Russia in the 1990’s. It remained high in the UK and Russia throughout the decade, but petered out in the 2000’s. Incarceration trends in both places didn’t change all that much from the 80’s-2000’s, so some other variable must explain why crime rose then fell; I suspect that Russians and Brits just got out more often in the 90’s, which emboldened criminals to some degree. Then people started to “cocoon” in the 2000’s, which brought crime down, and this has little to do with incarceration trends.

In America, crime begin to fall in the late 90’s, but this lagged behind the growing incarceration rates of the mid 80’s by about 10 years. I suspect that Americans “cocooned” at an earlier date than Europeans did, thus explaining why we were able to reduce crime 5 years before Russia or Britian.

Studies indicate that people spent far more time outside in the 80’s and early 90’s then they do now; in other words, a major reason crime dipped after 1994 is simply because people were not getting out anymore. And that includes criminals, also. Normal people had more of a life back, but criminals also had more vim and vigor too. So we had more crime and individual violence.

And it’s clear that many factors besides crime are important, but which are mostly or totally independent of the nominal crime rate. People had more friends, and trusted each other more, back in the 80’s.

Retroactively, a lot of Boomers try to make the 80’s (or early 90’s) out to be this sort of Hieronymus Bosch painting of home invaders and street gangs. But in reality, American were psychologically healthier back then, and had more interesting lives.

You didn’t answer the question. :0

But to your point about education, well if we are going to theorize about dissolution or secession or repatriation, or any other unlikely monumental country changing event, it’s safe to ponder the ancillary issues, like education, military, economy, whatever.

Clearly, to enlighten the masses about the benefits of any of the above, the educational system would have to be turned completely around. Since I think we can all agree that isn’t happening, then neither are any of the above.

It’s going to be a slow descent until the wheels come off and then it’s going to be chaos.

“I have a very advanced case of N**ro Fatigue.”

So does just about every non negro who has the displeasure of living near or working with them on a regular basis. The problem is most of these people will never admit it to anyone, not even their loved ones, out of fear of being called racist. That’s how effective the indoctrination has been, at least for those born and educated in the US.

The people I know personally who hold these altruistic and egalitarian views about blacks don’t live anywhere near them. They don’t work with them. They don’t go to the same churches, they don’t shop at the same stores, and they seek entertainment in places that are either able to price out most of the blacks or just haven’t been discovered by blacks yet. Leftist are very good at finding ways to completely avoid those blacks whom they so pretend to love.

If the U.S. sees itself losing its global hegemony it will use military means to prevent that from happening. If the U.S. enters an economic death spiral it will seek war with China. If you think the U.S. is a military menace now wait until it really starts to decline. The U.S. will take down the whole world rather than give up its global dominance.

I think there’s some validity to this, however, we also should heed Steve Pinker’s insight that reliable statistical measures of violence indicate that people seem to be getting more peaceful with each passing century. Many countries now ban the death penalty, for example. Vigilante violence in America’s current Gilded Age is more common than it was during the New Deal era, however, the late 19th century Gilded Age was much nastier then the one we are in now, with lynching becoming a fairly routine practice.

Ancient empires routinely slaughtered men and raped the remaining native women; America’s current empire generally is uncomfortable with bigotry motivated violence and plunder, as we are often told that a foreign country is bad because of a bad leader, not because the masses of that country are subhuman or devious.

And as has been routinely noted on this website, the Soviet Union dissolved with relative peace. The fading days of the 1980’s Soviet Union had some fairly minor skirmishes in Afghanistan and some other places, but the overall death toll and geo-political devastation associated with the 1980’s Soviet Union was far less horrendous than what the communists did in the mid-20th century. Hell, the CIA tried to convince Reagan in the later 80’s that the Soviets were a power, here to stay, unless we did more about it. But other sources relied on by Reagan indicated that the Soviet Union was in increasingly dire financial and political shape, and did not need to be feared to the degree that it was in the 1950’s-early 80’s. And sure enough, The Soviet leaders didn’t exactly “flex muscle” as they had their “come to Jesus” epiphany in the late 80’s and early 90’s; they knew their system was dying, and nothing could be done about it.

And BTW, I suspect that Boomer leaders could plunge us into an insane series of lash-outs, so the sooner we move on from Boomer leadership, the better. Geo-politically, it was primarily GIs, Silents, and Boomers who build up neo-con culture. Whereas the neo-con culture of the Bush 2 admin. is a joke to X-ers and Millennials.

And flat out insane lunacy about God saving Evangelicals and Israelis from World War 3 is something that a fair number of Boomers actually believe; lord help us if any of these dickheads continue to stick around when the US needs a good dose of modesty.

Perhaps relevant to the conversation. Much of this discussion seems downhill from the furthering collapse of religion in society. De Tocqueville had an interesting take on the matter:
“When no authority exists in matters of religion, any more than in political matters, men soon become frightened in the face of unlimited independence. With everything in a perpetual state of agitation, they become anxious and fatigued. With the world of the intellect in universal flux, they want every-thing in the material realm, at least, to he firm and stable, and, unable to resume their former beliefs, they subject themselves to a master. For my part, I doubt that man can ever tolerate both complete religious independence and total political liberty, and I am inclined to think that if he has no faith, he must serve, and if he is free, he must believe.”
Alexis de Tocqueville, the First Social Scientist (Cambridge Univ. Press)

Peace.

at this point in time European descendants do not appear to have much interest in having an ethnostate.

The Poles and Hungarians seem to be most of the way there.  La Lega (formerly Lega Nord) seems implicitly ethno-statist from what little I’ve seen.

If they’re going to be alien and alienated no matter where they are, let them be that way somewhere else.  (I have a very advanced case of N**ro Fatigue.)

I agree that there really is no good, solid precedence for this.

The only way I can see this actually happening is if the liberal-Left keeps insisting on playing their cards wrong and pushing anyone who is White into a corner with their unyielding critical race nonsense – which, let’s be honest, is also unprecedented. If Whites are basically “damned if they don’t”, I don’t see any reason why more and more of them won’t slowly tend towards white nationalism due to necessity.

One reason I say that this is because I get new White converts following me on Twitter at the pace of about twice a week. And I honestly cannot believe the nonsense that they have to deal with when it comes to some of these far liberal-Left Muslims insisting that they own up to their White privilege and practically grovel in thanks to be let into the Ummah and want to deny them equal standing – I’ve even seen them be dismissive of White converts that studied for years and became scholars.

Thank God, these converts have the moral fortitude to not respond in kind and become race-mongers. But, if pushed enough – again and again – I can see why an average white person would.

Peace.

I’ve done my best for you.

Just like I decided to leave AaronB alone with his jar of moonbeams and lightning bugs, I will leave you alone with your WN fantasy.

Do European descendants get a country of their own? Yes or No.

If you mean a country of their own inhabited exclusively by such European descendants, in other words exclusive ethnostates, it’s not clear that most European descendants want such a thing.

Of course it’s entirely possible that European descendants are suffering from what Marxists might term false consciousness, that maybe they should want pure European ethnostates but they’ve been convinced that they don’t want that. If that’s true I’m not sure what you can do about it. To get rid of that false consciousness you’d have to seize control of the education system and the media. I have no idea how you’re going to do that.

But at this point in time European descendants do not appear to have much interest in having an ethnostate.

Do European descendants get a country of their own? Yes or No.

Dissolution is as big a pipe dream as repatriation and I’ve admitted as much.

You and AE are laboring under the delusion that dissolution will magically correct behaviors in other races that are observable, detrimental to any functional society, and will continue in whatever becomes of a dissolved US. You aren’t willing to address it. You actively avoid it. You must fall back on disingenuous, Hitler invoking slurs (WN) because your case is that weak. That’s the SJW way – when all else fails, invoke Hitler.

Further, you’re willing to subject your descendants to it, so that you can present yourself as morally superior in the present. Anyone willing to exchange the welfare of their kids for some cheap morality points is not so moral at all. But hey, better dead than rude.

“The white nationalist assumption is that those vanished ethnic identities will be transmuted into a generic white identity. There is zero evidence for this.”

The only thing there is zero evidence for is that anyone has ever made this assumption. Where’s YOUR evidence that you didn’t just pull that theory right out of your own ass?

And I’ve read that humans share 90% of the genes that pigs do. Are you ready to move into a sty?

Such a classically British answer. It’s what our Constitution grew out of.

for not being able to discuss an issue honestly

But I can, Mikey.

You do not want an “honest” discussion. You are just like the SJWs who say we need “a conversation about race.” What they (you) really mean is that you (me) should stop thinking about race the way you (I) do and start thinking about it the way that they (you) do.

White nationalism is not going to happen. The peoples of Western Civilization (that civilization that you want to claim as your own) have been moving in the opposite direction by cultural and genetic evolution at least since the time of Christ. It hit hyper speed in the 16C and 17C. That’s a lot of generations ago. You should give serious consideration to what people like AE tell you about WEIRD people, he’s on to something. You are trying to create an ethos; something that normally takes hundreds or thousands of years. And the required hundreds or thousands of years is not even the main problem. The main impediment is that you are trying to create it out of peoples who have consciously and explicitly rejected race as a founding criterion for an ethos.

The question of citizenship for black Americans was decided over 150 years ago and cost hundreds of thousands of lives. A miniscule number of people will be willing to sacrifice their life and the lives of their family and friends in order to relitigate the issue. Look at the difficulties Peter has recruiting cannon fodder on what should be somewhat favorable ground.

Now, what you want is not completely impossible. A group of WEIRD people had a race based political entity less than a hundred years ago. You may have read about it. The reason that it was possible is because deeper, and under the WEIRD layer, the us/them dynamic is still within each person. Given favorable economic, political and social conditions, a charismatic leader can bring forth this dynamic to primacy. And given our herd/leader instinct, your race based entity can become a reality. But WEIRD people are smart and they know this. That is why you get called a Nazi, and why you and others like you will forever be called Nazis.

If you really want to help “white” people, and I see no indication from you that you do not. Help AE with his non-racial dissolution. He needs all the help he can get.

Plenty of whites in America have no clue what various European ethnicities they are comprised of either. Everyone in the US in mongrelized to one degree or another once they’ve been here long enough.

The white nationalist assumption is that those vanished ethnic identities will be transmuted into a generic white identity. There is zero evidence for this.

I think there’s a hole in your perspicacity, though. “The U.S will do everything in its power to destroy China”? The US is burying itself as it comes apart internally.

That’s what makes the U.S. so dangerous. Declining powers can be extremely aggressive towards rivals. The French went to war in 1870 to try to prevent German unification from creating a dangerous rival. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was keen for war in 1914 as a way of reasserting its Great Power status.

If the U.S. sees itself losing its global hegemony it will use military means to prevent that from happening. If the U.S. enters an economic death spiral it will seek war with China. If you think the U.S. is a military menace now wait until it really starts to decline. The U.S. will take down the whole world rather than give up its global dominance.

I don’t know if it’ll be easy necessarily. There are some demographic price tags that China is going to have to settle the debts on sooner or later. Maybe a security-state technopoly will figure it out, but I have my doubts. You can only mess with the calibration of human beings for so long before you have to start paying the piper.

The next 15-20 years should be enough to give us a sign as to which way the wind will blow.

Peace.

And it depends on the “Crusade” in question. The Albigensian Crusade was quite European and completely about rival Christian claims:

Peace.

Plenty of whites in America have no clue what various European ethnicities they are comprised of either. Everyone in the US in mongrelized to one degree or another once they’ve been here long enough.

Peace.

The median black in America is 15%-20% European by descent. In that sense they’re alien to Africa. too, aren’t they?

Since their original tribal identities have been dissolved I’d say they’d be very alien indeed to Africa.

Britain is far more coherent of a country than Murica. No matter how much a Scot might resent the English, no proper Scot sees Kunta Kinte as more of his kin than Nigel.

That’s why it would be much easier for Britain to break up. England would not need to destroy an independent Scotland as a dangerous ideological enemy full of evil Nazis.

Hatreds in Britain are entirely and openly class hatreds. Scottish independence would not interfere with the favourite pastime of English elites – hating the working class.

The main driving force behind a push for Scottish independence will be Scottish desire to rejoin the EU, if Brexit actually goes ahead (which seems unlikely).

The Crusaders would probably disagree with that last sentence.

Medieval Europe and medieval Christianity were very very different from post-Reformation Europe and post-Reformation Christianity. It was a whole different world.

After the Reformation Europeans concentrated on killing other Europeans. Non-whites were seen as resource to exploit, rather than enemies to be killed.

I think that what happens to “prosperous” societies is that they get lazy, hedonistic, and anti-intellectual

It seems that way but we don’t have many examples of societies that have achieved extreme prosperity outside the liberal democratic capitalist system. Any societies that seemed like they had a chance of doing so either destroyed themselves (Nazi Germany) or were destroyed by outside forces (Fascist Italy, the Soviet Union).

China is clearly hoping to achieve prosperity without social disintegration and without decadence. That makes it a viable rival to the U.S. so the U.S. will do everything in its power to destroy China. If somehow the Chinese avoid destruction we may have a new model that will provide proof that you can have prosperity without decadence.

The Russians would also like to achieve that but the U.S. definitely does not intend to allow Russia to survive. And Russia is more vulnerable for both economic and cultural reasons.

Well, and funny, American Christianity has fragmented into a million sub-groups that largely are sorted along ethnic lines.

For most people ethnicity has always mattered, because it lines up to a large extent with culture.

Race is too vague, too broad and too abstract to matter very much. There has never been a strong white identity because there was no way you were going to persuade an Irishman, a Norwegian, a Portuguese, a Pole and an Armenian that they were linked by any bonds that made sense or meant anything in an emotional sense. There has never been an Asian identity because there was no way you were going to persuade a Korean, a Vietnamese, a Malay and a subcontinental Indian that they were linked by any bonds that made sense or meant anything in an emotional sense.

The only reason a black identity exists among blacks in the U.S. is that their ethnic identities were destroyed by slavery. But among Africans ethnic/tribal identity still seems stronger than any pan-African identity.

Religion and culture on the other hand have been very powerful bonds that do create a genuine identity. Which is why whites have cheerfully slaughtered other whites.

White ethnicity and religion and culture have been largely dissolved by capitalism and urbanisation. So any identity that whites have is based on things that do still exist – class and ideology. In the U.S. religion still provides an identity for some but American Christianity is living on borrowed time.

And so on and so forth…

Peace.

Note: I swapped out the original pic in deference to Schoolmarm.

I’m okay with eradicating hood rats by preventing the stupid, the violent and the psychopathic from reproducing. I want White western civilization to have a future. It can’t have a future if hood rats are allowed to breed; it is dying even as I write this because welfare and “cibil rites” have empowered them to engulf and destroy the very thing that supports them.

A black dude in a crappy car did a sudden left turn in front of me today; thankfully I was going slow enough to stop before I broadsided him. He had a really trashy looking white broad sitting next to him, who started berating the brotha for being so stupid. While lots of highly intelligent white guys are playing call of duty and wondering why they can’t get a date, you have dunderheadeded white girls getting knocked up by a bunch of prole losers, who often end up deserting the girl who then goes on welfare.

We got where we are because some substantial proportion of low-functioning people (mostly males) left few or no descendants over thousands of generations. We probably require such culling to even maintain our level of capability. We are currently in a freefall of mental capacity; reaction times, a good correlate of “g”, have been slowing relentlessly for generations.

The Boomer generation grew up in an unprecedented era of material and medical security, and I think it’s clear what that did to them. While previous generations had to learn important skills (or at least form bonds with those who possessed these skills) to survive and reproduce, Boomers at a young age were given TV, automobiles, rock concerts, drugs, and “free love”. End result is that from the first Boomer cohort to the last, violence, poor scholastic skills, poor social skills, and substance abuse all got progressively worse.

I think that what happens to “prosperous” societies is that they get lazy, hedonistic, and anti-intellectual (Boomers fomented many movements which attacked “authority” and tradition). This in turn allows rising and strong nations/tribes to eventually pounce on the decadent ones.

I don’t blame you either, for not being able to discuss an issue honestly. Most cucks can’t.

Well, and funny, American Christianity has fragmented into a million sub-groups that largely are sorted along ethnic lines. Lutherans, Mormons, Mennonites, etc. are Anglo-Teutonic.White Catholics are heavily Irish and Italian, and frequently found in the Northeast and in big Midwestern cities. Evangelical Christians are largely Teutonic and Scots-Irish, in the South, Midwest*, and to a lesser extent the West, who sometimes despise Catholics but go easier on the more well-established mainstream Protestant groups. Baptists are strongest in the South.

Off-shoot groups are often created for the purpose of giving a particular tribe/ethnic group it’s “own” form of religion. Claims that it represents the “true” version of religion are rather obviously tied to ethnic chauvinism.

*Pro-life billboards are a trademark of Evangelicals, and can be found all over the rural Midwest and South, and essentially are a signal that the American heartland remains the dominion of Anglo-Teutonic-Celtic Protestant whites.

Britain is far more coherent of a country than Murica. No matter how much a Scot might resent the English, no proper Scot sees Kunta Kinte as more of his kin than Nigel.

Britain is also a far smaller country with no obvious points for populations to try segregating themselves into. Murica’s size lends itself to auto-segregation.

..I’d tell him to spend his strong, healthy youth forming militias. …

I wouldn’t actually. Not yet.
I’d tell him to get ready for it. Get skillset able to form and LEAD a militia platoon in 48 hours.
Something like that.

I’m still healthy, and strong for my cohort, but I need to be a lot younger for what’s coming.

Don’t sell yourself short.
If you can shoot and THINK you are good.

The America I–we–live in treats its people as pieces on a social engineer’s chess board, advancing pieces and sacrificing them as needed to satisfy a calculus I don’t understand.

Easy to understand. Eternal. POWER.
With power comes the rest.

“The corporate media doesn’t discuss things it doesn’t like–it ignores them if it can and grossly mischaracterizes them if it cannot…

The parasites are probably starting to realize that if they don’t do something like this, there is a very real risk — a risk higher than that global warming will be a disaster for them — that the current geographic divide between urban and rural counties results in The Nation of Settlers killing The Nation of Immigrants by the simple expedient of pulling the plug on the life support to the urban counties harboring The Nation of Immigrants.

“To the contrary, the attitude of most liberal and non-white Californians to their erstwhile neighbors is “don’t let the door hit you on the way out”.

Yes, and now that the conquest of the highest value, coastal and agricultural real estate is a fiat accompli, get the potential saboteurs of urban life support out.

However, I don’t think this is going to happen. It only takes a few percent of the population to kill the very non-resilient urban counties.

Better than dissolution is the replacement of the US Constitution’s namby-pamby language in the 9th and 10th Amendments (and poisonous centralization of power in the Judiciary hence 14th Amendment) with Sortocracy. POC will like Sortocracy because it allocates territory in proportion to population. But it also requires additional population to conquer territory, e.g. if the entirety of India wants to immigrate to some jurisdiction within Sortocracy, they are obligated to conquer territory of equal value to that which they are allocated under Sortocracy.

Bear in mind that Sortocracy replaces prisons with exile and border enforcement, for any reason whatsoever, agreed to by that the citizens of their respective States.

Well, if it does happen, outlets like CNN are to blame for not permitting reasonable dialogue as to how various groups can work together by throwing distractions and veering the discussion towards “bad, white guys, bad!”

This is PAINFUL to watch.

Don Lemon did everything he could to take away attention from poor inner city kids.

Each time pastor tried to talk about helping poor people,he was cut off.

Shame on @CNN for this journalism of hatred! Your brand is soiled.pic.twitter.com/JJZ4K971BT

— Obianuju Ekeocha (@obianuju) August 1, 2019

Peace.

A dollar collapse–something I think is coming shockingly soon–will force the issue on the national debt.

A dollar collapse would just mean that .gov would default on its debt to foreigners.

It would have dire economic consequences for sure, but there is no reason to believe the central government would quietly disband as a result.

A military dictatorship (with even _more_ centralized control and abuse of surveillance technology) would be the most likely near-term outcome imho.

One good strategy is to oppose 5G–when the country is broke .gov won’t be able to afford to install it–we do _not_ want that surveillance technology available to them.

I’ve heard all my life that the collapse is coming…

The collapse isn’t “coming.” It’s here—now. It’s just that the losses are so socialized that the frog is boiling rather than getting skewered outright. The collapse is manifesting itself in the slow and steady erosion of purchasing power; in stagnant wages; in the relentless rise in the cost of housing, education, and healthcare; and in the depreciation of capital assets that aren’t being repaired or replaced. The economy isn’t growing, but it’s maintaining a semblance of activity by liquidating the stored value of everything.

Right now we’re riding a tiger of financial repression. Artificially low interest rates are the key to the entire puzzle. We know that if we were to let interest rates normalize then the whole jig would be up, the massive debt would be unserviceable, and the depression we’ve been living in for the last decade would suddenly appear in Stay Puft proportions.

My guess is that as long as the Baby Boomers are still alive and compos mentis in electorally significant proportions, the low interest rate regime will continue in order to preserve their nominal asset values. Once their feeble old hands lose their grip on the levers of power, the whole thing falls apart.

True, there is no reason to pay for their existence, but states cannot legislate removal of US citizenship (more’s the pity).  The death penalty is unpopular, but arm-twisting to get criminals to sign away their citizenship might get through on a plebiscite.

“If only one man [unjustly loses an opportunity], that is a tragedy. If millions [lose an opportunity], that’s only statistics.”

It is admirable that you have not let the injustice engender extreme bitternest.

It is not original to me, but it is worth repeating: If we don’t get rid of most affirmative action policies, the groups that are targeted for affirmation will suffer the most severe consequences. That is, if we end up with strict quotas (trend) then those POC and women who are in fact competent in a field (say, medicine), will be shunned because it will be difficult to separate the competent from the placeholders.

… productively in Western Civilization. … little rhetorical games.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, Wiki can be your friend.

From Ancient Greece to the late 19th century, rhetoric played a central role in Western education in training orators, lawyers, counsellors, historians, statesmen, and poets.[7][8]

I really don’t blame you or other WNs. If I were you, I’d try to claim Western Civ as my very own as well. I’m not and I think it’s the greatest thing going..

I’m a decade behind you and if I could go back in time to my younger self, I’d tell him to spend his strong, healthy youth forming militias. But who among us at the time ever imagined that the 1980’s were the Last White Decade? So we just lived our lives and paid taxes instead. I’m still healthy, and strong for my cohort, but I need to be a lot younger for what’s coming. Oh well.

I am blessed with young parents who are a decade ahead of you. They cannot believe what the country had and let slip away.

Well, words are forgettable, but I’ll offer a few anyway.

I’ve benefited from our American government. The GI Bill, for example. Then, I talked myself into believing whatever government costs were associated with that program would be more than repaid by my increased earning capacity and tax-paying ability.

Twenty years later, I studied affirmative action and its effects. I tried to let the evidence speak, and not my own biases. I concluded affirmative action was a major factor in my not being even considered for big company employment, where the income opportunities were much better than the tiny, poorly capitalized businesses where I’d been stuck. That was a conclusion I did not want to reach.

I’m in my 60s now, and mostly retired. I have a few good years left. I think I’d welcome the chance to live in a country that treats me more or less decently. I don’t need utopia, just decency. The America I–we–live in treats its people as pieces on a social engineer’s chess board, advancing pieces and sacrificing them as needed to satisfy a calculus I don’t understand. That’s just wrong.

I’ve said some words in favor of getting the ball rolling on separation, so I’ll let it go at that.

A dollar collapse–something I think is coming shockingly soon–will force the issue on the national debt.

Apparently it all nearly came apart in 2008. But we printed money, bought the distressed assets with it (they are, I believe, mostly still tucked away on the Fed’s balance sheet but it’s all pretty opaque), and here we are 11 years later rocking right along.

Wealthy people are willing to pay the government to borrow their money instead of the other way around. Government debt is the equivalent of gold ingots, which have storage costs. These are presumably very smart, connected people. They don’t see a problem with $22T debt.

I’ve heard all my life that the collapse is coming. My esteemed father tells me he’s heard it all his life too, but here we are. What is money at this point? Why are we still taxing labor?

Is it possible our baseline productivity is high enough that we’ve hit Post-Scarcity and the debt really and truly does not matter? I don’t see how but nobody with money, including the people with LOTS of it, is acting like the debt is a problem. If we really have hit Post-Scarcity, then I say we vote for the Chinese technocrat and give me my #YangBucks.

Actually, the career criminals you describe would be among the first to go. Those people get no choice. Gone. No reason at all to pay for their existence anymore, in any way.

Localism is nothing new. While the US was opening up the West, frontier towns worked OK with a Sheriff, Deputy, Judge, doctor, schoolteacher + a general store and hotel/whorehouse.

The Lesotho Option.

Peace.

Yes, but the DC metro area is the richest by a quantum leap and for reasons much more connected to the business of big gov extracting wealth from the provinces. Comparing Moscow to DC, even today, is kind of like comparing a Mom&Pop store on Main Street to WalMart.

The same thing happened in Haiti,Rhodesia,and Detroit.

The violent crime rate in the US is barely half what it was less than thirty years ago. Thirty years ago it was five times higher than it was thirty years before that!

This was unexpected and rather difficult. There was some scattered clapping, but most of them were trying to work it out and see if it came to a compliment.

If Bernie Sanders had stood his ground on open borders being a Koch brothers proposal, it would’ve been significantly easier. It is going to take someone with a lot of cachet on the left to do it now given where the party and all its ostensible thought leaders are now. Sanders could’ve been that guy but his ship has sailed.

Agreed. Totally.

He made a big mistake doing that. It was unnecessary. He could have really mobilised working class Democrats had he stuck to his guns.

In the same way two Christians from different continents are brothers in religion.

Historically Christian brothers in religion spent centuries butchering each other. There was for instance the minor unpleasantness known as the Thirty Years War. There was Ireland. The French Wars of Religion. And there was a definite religious aspect to the half century of chaos that included the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution.

In fact Christins have been more enthusiastic about butchering other Christians than butchering non-Christians.

“There ain’t nothin’ in the middle of the road but yellow lines and dead armadillos.”

One obvious problem with that is that there is no moderate contingent in the Democrat party. They are virtually all on the same page wrt open borders, destroy ‘white supremacy’, free health care for illegal aliens.

I’m not entirely sure about that. They have to take those positions given the current party structure and party culture. If the GOP dies and the Democrats split into formal factions there’ll be more opportunities for moderate Old School Democrats.

There are almost certainly lots of moderate rank-and-file Democrats but they get ignored by the party elites.

So why is that?

I’ve no problem with voluntary repatriation.

I’ve no problem with some arm-twisting as part of “voluntary”.

“You’re a habitual criminal.  You “graduated” from high school effectively illiterate.  You’ve not held gainful employment for more than weeks, and you were always fired for cause.  You have committed multiple assaults and at least two robberies.

“You can renounce your citizenship and be removed to Liberia, or you can spend the rest of your life in a cell 23 hours a day eating penalty loaf for every meal.  What’s it gonna be?”

I take solace in the fact that I’m getting it from both sides, making me the only truly moderate voice in this discussion. 🙂

The relevant criteria is which groups of people are best suited to build and function productively in Western Civilization. What a happy coincidence they are mostly racially homogeneous!! I’m sure you know this at some level, but you like to play your little rhetorical games.

Aren’t they in a better position to ask you to leave and go back?

This isn’t about who has been here longer.  The Solutreans, if they had any living descendants, would win that contest even over the so-called “Native Americans”.  It’s about who is part of America and who is merely a US citizen or not even that, just a resident.

Africans-in-America are not PART of America.  They are part of Africa and must go back.