My god, I can’t believe how ignorant the author of this article is! Sad in this day and age!

So IQ is no longer something that is considered fixed, but rather a changing thing throughout one’s life?

No.

Finally, it has to be noted that even if hereditarians can somehow manage to convincingly argue that the Nigerian (or Igbo) children in the UK do in fact have a lower IQ than average white children, as their biological model predicts (despite our evidence), they also have to show that these West African children even have a lower IQ than average black American children (since the latter have more white admixture)! At the very least, they should show that these children of “elite” Africans actually have a lower IQ than the children of equally elite native black Americans: the same elite black Americans whose children already score lower than poor whites, according to Jensen. That is by no means the most enviable task in academic history.

No this is silly. Who said all blacks are the same? Igbo seem to be a special case.

No, blacks aren’t all alike. Who said they were?
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2015/10/no-blacks-arent-all-alike-who-said-they.html

Igbo: The Jews of West Africa?
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-jews-of-west-africa.html

Igbo Supremacy
https://www.unz.com/isteve/igbo-supremacy/

There is plenty of variation in IQ by white subgroups too:

Let’s see a comparison of these elite African immigrants to top 5% elite of European ethnicities. That would be more fair 🙂

Also we need more studies on adults, since heritability of IQ is higher for adults:

What I wonder about, is not whether or not there is an IQ difference between, what we call “races”, BUT WHY are people so obsessively concerned about any differences in Intelligence ?

I think most people would like to treat people as individuals and just let “the chips fall where they may.” But the problem is that there is a large, well-documented racial “achievement gap” in pretty much all areas of society, which won’t disappear by treating people as individuals.

So the left side of the political spectrum has no choice based on their ideology but to attribute this gap to a mysterious force of “systemic” or “institutional” racism. The only evidence of this is the gap itself which, if races are assumed equal to begin with, could only be caused by unfair racism. To cure this assumed problem they demand the entire remaking of society with anti-white discrimination, race-based busing, reparations, speech codes, mandatory anti-racism training, etc, etc.

The refutation to their argument is simply to point out the massive data establishing genetic group differences in intelligence. But these facts are deemed inadmissible in public discourse, however.

So you have the problem to a massively important social issue that is easily explained, but only by resort to forbidden facts. How can people not be interested in that?

‘… And, yes, there was an Aboriginal civilization, just not of the kind that the Anglo-Europeans would have understood or appreciated…’

So long as you rename any conceivable human culture a ‘civilization,’ sure.

I can call myself a mighty athlete. All I have to do is redefine that status to be the ability to walk ten miles, lift a hundred pounds, and swim 250 yards, and I’m there.

The idea that Northern European civilisation was ‘behind’ other civilisations is nonsense. In terms if the Roman Empire Britain for example was right on the edge, but that was because boats that navigated well on the relatively flat Mediterranean couldn’t manage the Atlantic or the North Sea nearly quite so well. Still Britain had tin mines, in Cornwall, that the Roman world wanted access to – and that was 2 thousand years ago. Organised commercial tin mines are signifiers of civilisation. While China was an advanced civilisation you can’t really say it was advanced beyond Greek or later Roman civilisation. The 12th Century Durham Cathedral in the north east of England was equal to any construction standing in the world at that time, including the Middle East. Once ship technology advanced in those countries with difficult seas to navigate, Portugal, Netherland, Britain, around 1500 you had the beginning of the great age of discovery. The Chinese navy may have gotten to Africa, but they didn’t start any trade, because their ships weren’t good enough to travel the open sea reliably. The Chinese also never developed glass, which not only meant they never had windows until comparatively late – centuries after Durham Cathedral – but it also meant they were unable to develop transistors, harness electricity, or develop artificial lighting. The Chinese also may have had great fireworks, but they were way behind in weapons technology such as guns.

They really are.

Why can’t I be 25 again, go out exploring in my ship, spend a few weeks at sea and beach on a lovely day upon an island that is inhabited by a three tribes of beautiful women; one of redheads, one of blondes and another with shimmering auburn hair, all great cooks, somewhat intelligent and willing, who don’t smoke but who love to cook, make their own wines and love 25 year old guys?

It’s just not fair, I tell ya.

heh heh….

thank you for stating the obvious…”lead based paint”…indeed…*snorts*

exactly.

Ignorance is bliss, the Australian aborigine survived on that block of dirt for somewhere between 35 to 65,000 yrs. They had become so much a part of their environment that their culture was entwined with it: when your sacred areas are breeding grounds for prey species, you are really are in the loop. Without our tender attentions they could have become anything on this planet. The only infinite resources are time and life…

Now look at this marvellous “civilisation” we got, lasting another 10yrs, yeh maybe… 100yrs..1000yrs not a shit show. We live in a fossil fueled fairyland with absolutely no way out. Overshoot is always followed by dieoff.

And of course the blissful ignorance is yours notmyrealname lance.

I saw that show, it was Aus army v Abo. Aus army drew straight line a to b, Abos did a semicicle round all the good witchety bug spots etc.
Aus army lost one man, other walking wounded, but they ‘won’. Abos wandered in a few days later all peachy and chilled.

“Well they needed not cultivating any crops they had nothing to store the produce in nor a pot to boil water in. ”

Is that true? Either they did not get the invention of pots or did not accept the invention.

In a way it could be the first one. Australia was totally separated by the ocean for a very long time and pottery was invented in Northern Korea only around 6000 BC. It probably was invented by humans only once and spread from the Far East to the Middle East and finally everywhere.

But maybe not. Polynesians had pots and they must have known of Australia latest around 1000 AD. They could have brought the invention of pots to Australia, so I think the invention was not accepted. Probably pots were too heavy to carry for hunter-gatherer lifestyle or something like that. The not-invented-here approach. Polynesians did not offer the correct beverages in their pots.

Where do you get your information from ? Wo state that the population of Aboriginals in Australia at settlement was a million. My information from the Australian Bureau of stastictics says that the estimated population at that time was between 400000 and 700000. Are the rest of your facts as reliable

Well they needed not cultivating any crops they had nothing to store the produce in nor a pot to boil water in. Thanks for introducing this advanced civilisation we now can enjoy boiled beverages. We never boiled a dammed thing for 40000 years we had no pots!

This article is very wrong, as it has been shown that IQ was in fact genetically inherited, just like everything else actually, with an effect of the environment, just like everything else… High IQ parents have high IQ children, so if immigrants have a higher than average IQ and therefore succeed, of course they will have higher than average IQ children!
Maybe doing some research before writing would be a good idea, don’t you think so?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
(sources at the end of the article)

This low IQ of Abbos cannot be right. I just watched Aboriginal girl putting bottle of Johnny Walker and two bottles of Coke under her coat, and waiting at the entry door of Aldi store. Fair enough, next person coming in tripped the door, and off she went. That’s shows extremely high IQ of the girl, does it not?

I work among them. They really are that stupid.

Haven’t you heard about Greece and Rome? No? Yes indeed, you’re the best example of someone not having anything to do with IQ. You’re using all white invented science and technology, living in a white invented house, feed thanks to the whites etc. One case where whites failed you is your education. Go to library and try to learn the true history please: Moors along with Jews were just a genocidal invaders. Luckily Europeans managed to push them back to Africa. Once again – jewish version of the history is false, but prevail these days because of ongoing jewish attack on civilisation.

“… because of wanting to research race, sex and historical cohort differences, which may strengthen or weaken the hypothesis that genes account for about half of the variance in individual and possibly group differences.”

In IQ in the Meritocracy, Richard Herrnstein maintained that genes accounted for 81% of IQ.

I’ve seen interviews with top Scrabble players and they all say it is the 7-8 letter words they focus on memorising because with 8 letters you can get triple word twice.

I’ve always been a “skill” game fan. Chess, Go, Checkers and any other game with zero luck involved appeals to me. I like Scrabble but view it as a partial luck game due to the drawing of letters.

PS. Anyone who can beat Nak at chess rocks. Full stop!

you were the most intelligent person here and it was beautiful to read such a sensible and true comment. its to bad that the devils want every one gone that dosent bend and conform to the virus way of life ..ie.. kill conquer move on and repeat. notice the china man wasnt on the iq chart above

If you want to receive a grant from a major institution to study race and IQ, all you have to do is present preliminary findings that support their agenda, there is no correlation between the two. The liberal Universities would love to proclaim the two aren’t related and are afraid to know the truth. But the actually completed study would give the factual results whether it follows their agenda or not. At least the truth will be known.

When Jews rule, Blacks drool.

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What a nice information, thanks for sharing with us

I would really like to hear this ‘author’ explain how a boomerang works…

Combining the aerodynamics of the airfoil [as used on aircraft wings and helicopter blades]…and the physics of angular momentum [as in the gyroscope]…this ingenious invention is without question the earliest instance of the invention of either of those hugely important devices…on which many of our most modern and sophisticated machines work…

In fact I would love to see this ‘author’ even demonstrate the use of a boomerang…I think it would be a decent test of physical dexterity and hand-eye coordination…I think that would be good for a laugh…[think of a fatass bozo with two left feet and ten thumbs…LOL]

Nuff said

Chinese appear to be number one. China appears to be the future over the decadent west. Asian values appear to be superior to western values.

Yes we can, why not search for it? South Africa’s only chess grand master is black after all

If Africans moved back to Africa and lived with their own people would you spend this much time worrying about how smart they are compared to whites.

I have a fun and reasonable proposal. I think the current immigration patterns should be reversed. Sub-Saharan Africa should be an international zone which everyone should be allowed to immigrate to on the grounds that all humans came out of SSA and hence are entitled to live there. This can solve several problems at the same time:

1. SSA is extremely poor and resources there are underutilized.

2. Demographic change in the West.

3. Legitimate economic and political refugees do need to have refuges.

So let’s say Euphrates dries up. That will be a legitimate reason for Iraqi farmers to leave Iraq. Where shall they go? Currently unused arable lands in Sub-Saharan Africa where they will have better soil, a lot more water and moderate weather compared to Iraq. Africans can benefit from Iraqi-built infrastructure. It is a win-win scenario.

Let’s have multiculturalism and multiracialism where they are good and necessary.

I’m with Peter Carey. Between 200-250 million Amerindians, Azrecs and Mayans were cleansed in North, Central and South Americas in 400 years from the Conquistadores until now.

cleansed by conquistadores or smallpox?

Europeans don’t go around blaming Asians for what the plague did to Europe

hello, (((fellow whites)))

let me tell you all the rotten things my European ancestors did

Optical illusion. Rest of the world has shrunk.

There is “brillant individuals” in every part of the world.
Put them in a good environment like our western colleges/universities and you can have them performing well enough as any brillant people do.

But the key point is NOT the “brillant individuals” every countries can produce here and there.
The REAL key point is about the “average individual” a country can produce because it raises the whole level of a country and can change the destiny of a nation.

From the informations I have about Nigeria, I’m afraid that this country will be a massive danger for all the rest of Africa because of its uncontrolled birthrate at horizon 2030 and the lack of discipline and organisation of the average people.

China was a third world country 40 years ago, even poorer than some African countries who benefited from european colonization (railways when China has none…).
They managed to be the assembling hands of all smart-phones companies in one decade. Not every nation could have pretend to manage.
And now ASUS is the number one motherboard manufacturer in the world and HUAWEI is the number 3 smartphone company in the world.
I don’t even think Nigeria can manage to do this even in 50 years, because to realize such achievement you need centuries of strong discipline and high level cultural exigence.

((((Susan Goldberg))))

Every Single Time.

LOL

This is ignorance at its finest. IQ is important

It is in the best interest of all Australians today to do what we can to “close the gap” …

So let us in on your idea of how to do that, without fantasizing about everyone being the same except for physical characteristics.

If it’s impossible to close the gap, maybe the best thing is to widen it and let all races live in their own way instead of demanding that Aussie whites be permanent caretakers of aboriginal people.

Drapetomaniac, what you suggest is fair. Personally, I don’t understand the reason for all the anger and derogatory speech. If a person is intellectually superior, why sound so much like A racist schoolyard bully? A condescending mild disinterest is understandable among more conservative people. But name calling, nonsense science and confused outdated theories just sound like the usual uneducated white trash talk.

Have you ever noticed that white people with IQs below average, that live undesirable lives, are so much more quick to jump on minorities with SLIGHTLY lower IQs? Educated and intelligent white people with over average and high IQ‘s, not only spare unintelligent minorities their negativity, they also tolerate the seas of under privileged white people.

The latest in a series of revisionist history holding the victims accountable for being victims. How Jewish is this, crying ‘Uncle!’ while hurting you.

“The Booker Prize-winning Australian novelist Peter Carey has stated that, as an Australian, ‘You wake up in the morning and you are the beneficiary of genocide.’”

I’m with Peter Carey. Between 200-250 million Amerindians, Azrecs and Mayans were cleansed in North, Central and South Americas in 400 years from the Conquistadores until now. It’s emough one would think, but NO!!! Now we have to insult them with blather about IQ’ and shioft blame to them for not being clever enough. How shameful. How Zionist!

I think your expression “discretely differentiated” may be the clue to your radical misunderstanding of the issues. The mental functions measured by well designed IQ tests are obviously based on combinations of very many genes plus epigenetics and some environmental factors – including training effects if you like as your reference to IQ being able to be learned suggests though this is another error. IQ test results can have a maximum (outliers and perhaps illiterates learning to read excepted) of 10 points susceptible to training.

You’ll find it diificult to unmuddle the old bookworm. But I think he was trying to say something like “Apart from Northern Ireland which I know even less about the recent semi -autonomy of Scotland and Wales has left England as the whole of what is now the United Kingdom”. Still BS. Just ask the UN or EU or any ambassador to the Court of St. James.

I think it has already been pointed out that the existing Aboriginal population has, when free from Trachoma and modern diet related diabetes, average eyesight like that of a typical test pilot. Not surprising that being able to detect a potentially edible wallaby jstanding still against light shadowy foliage might be selected for over 1000s of years.

Why don t you have the decency and dignity to admit you led off all incivility by being bloody rude? Drunk? Or is your moniker here a sign of yfur justified fears?

I don’t mind seeing other points of view, so long as I am able to respond.

I know individual examples don’t change anything but I have seen Australian aborigines demonstrate extraordinary skill and intelligence and I do believe environment has more to do with expressed intelligence than genetics. One example was an aborigine (in prison where the poverty trap lifestyle left him) who could play chess at a level I have never seen before or since. He wiped the floor with all comers and besides this in conversation I found him to be intelligent and articulate. His chess game certainly spoke to an exceptional intelligence. He would not have scored well on most IQ tests though I am sure. They simply are not geared to people from such different background.

Perhaps a simple fact to put some perspective on what happened in this country when my European ancestors arrived. There was more than a million aborigines living in the country then. More than 200 years later, there are fewer than 670,000. The alcohol and sugar not to mention several diseases we brought with us, were deliberately used to nobble the population of Aborigines who tried to live in proximity to us and the sword and bullets took care of the rest. We literally slaughtered them, men, women and children…leaving entire camps dead. There are caves full of bones in my state of Western Australia, attesting to the atrocities and they are not even known outside of the rather senior tribe whose ancestors they are. The stolen generation was a thing and it was an atrocity. Most of the kids taken were eventually dumped back into the communities from which they came…bringing with them all manner of messed up lives, alcohol and drugs. These kids were alien to their people but had never found a home among white society either. I LIVED THROUGH THIS AND SAW SOME OF THE KIDS IN THE WHITE HOMES! Physical and mental abuse of these black kids was common and sexual abuse too. I am not reading accounts by do gooder liberals who were the same twits who started taking kids from black communities in the first place. By the way all kids taken were of mixed blood. The policy was only geared towards mixed blood kids, since they were deemed redeemable.

Don’t tell me about things I know better than you first hand you one eyed bigot. This article is flawed due to a lot of assumptions that official doctrine was what it claimed to be. I’d like to see how well most white’s fare when put into the same environment Aborigines evolved in. I bet we’d seem stupid as rocks. What you miss is how when we find a less powerful society than our own we Europeans dominate the other and put them into a disadvantaged category from the start. They are not allowed to rise up within our society unless it is through our institutions and by playing all by our rules. The law of the conqueror doesn’t give the conquered any chance to sit at the big table, only to take their place at the long benches of the proles.

Lol the nigerian guy is jealous

Spoken like an inorant black race denier lmao

“WE WUZ KANGS” dude stop. Babylon and Egypt were not at all black, no matter how hard you Hebrew Israelites try.

Always blaming muh Muslims. You have to prove this

This is ignorance at its finest. IQ is important

LMAO what even are you talking about? In the US, we can do a grouping of the blacks and Indians and we will easily see the difference, no doubt

its amazing how all you WHITE SELF PROCLAIMED intellectuals speak so highly and which such authority of yourselves commenting on the low IQ of non whites as if none of you know factual history of the African MOORS bringing to you knowledge of basic hygene, reading , writing , architecture, allocating and storing of info by way of universities, irrigation, crop growing etc etc when 97 percent of your HIGH IQ population were illiterate and dwindling from disease ,the MOORS enlightened you in the dark age thus enabling you to have your renaissance, now you look upon yourselves as being above all others,…………Common sense would teach anyone that the disparities in race ,culture over the centuries was mainly due to each race being at a different level of technological advancement due to geographical location and the need of solving a problem, the less problems the community had to solve the slower the technological advancement,. it has nothing to do with IQ, for example ,..why invent/make large warm winter animal coat and the tools needed to make it when i live in the tropics , im cool and comfortable in my banana leaf loin covering thank you 🙂

wow!!!,………..white people have a culture? lmao thats hilarious what time is your show on comedy central?

Your comment, to a great extent, applied to Amerinds. The narrative is that they were peaceful and living with nature. Te reality is that they were nomadic, constantly attacking each other, and killed all the fauna they could. They were doing that long before Whitey showed up, or as some suggest, showed up again.

Do africans think this? WE WUZ KANGS N SHIEEEEEET

I hope your comment is ironic, jilles

PC types are not secular. They pray to their Mother Earth goddess Gaia, which they pretend is nature worship n environmentalism.

Africa had a stone age civilization when the white man set foot there.

The pyramids are indeed made of stone.

If they had all these super intelligent blacks then why didn’t they develop a civilization over the last 3000 years

Ever heard of Ancient Egypt ?

Even to this day, there is no real discernible civilization there

Egyptians and Babylonians could have said the same about Western Europe back in ancient times.

‘We die there of hunger or poisoning within a few days, the Aboriginals live in paradise.’

The same is true of gerbils. What that demonstrates is another matter.

Dumb as bricks.

Disclaimer How and or why don’t you find it suspicious that the Nigerians are breaking records let alone being the top of the class or every class in the world when the blacks in North America,Haiti an the rest of Sub Saharan Africa can’t even do that and hate to say this but there is no such thing as African black negro’s that can do half of that not even remotely.you do know those blacks you speak of are called magical & mystical negro’s (“a.k.a,e.g,i.e uncle tom’s,acting white,white washed”) just because they act white isn’t going to give them a three digit IQ same thing if they were acting yellow that doesn’t necessarily mean their going to have a higher IQ than whites another thing is if these Nigerians are doing the things you said an the links you copy,pasted,posted than how come the main stream media or all of the journalist,press on tv,internet,newspaper,radio,apps are not mentioning and saying anything about them

Imagine if you would the young United States that rather than needing strong blacks to pick cotton instead needed people to work in mines. Rather than select and subsequently breed for a large size, they wanted short Negros so as to maintain smaller passageways in the mines. This went on for generations.

I’m thinking the NBA would look much different now.

Wasn’t all this simply explained in “The Bell Curve” by Charles Murrey?

Okechukwu Lol no you can’t one or two or three Caucasian people are smarter than the rest of the African black race in the whole entire world there are literally no such things as a smart negroid that is any where near the same league as white people in intellect and Neil Degrasse Tyson doesn’t count let alone any of the affirmative action blacks that is just like him an obviously did not earn and or deserved the P.h.d an I dare you to find a black that’s just as smart or smarter than Albert Einstein,Nikola Tesla and don’t give me that liberal media crap about black children being geniuses considering you both and I know there is no such thing.

Yes exactly. I wold go further than to say discredit. The fact that Saker publishes this crap tells the real truth.

How can you publish this puerile garbage in the same space as your piece on Gandhi and Solzhenitsyn

Are you complete idiots?

You have no culture

these threads man! these must be the lunatic asylum of the UNZ, that every now and then a writer prolly set for the task writes an improbability..a lunatic something, racist but encouraging of white superiority and out come the lunatics.

white people are smarter eh! how can a white person make such a contention from the world we live in led by white people? incredible!

the planet is on its nose, next to midnight and no solution in sight..because the man who brought the world there has to decide..asking of course, the criminal to judge his own case of crime.

the aspect of white insanity that amazes me, is how the Khazar Jewish bankers get away all the time with their discretion of revolution out in the streets into war that destroys the revolutionary generations, facilitating a fresh start for the capitalist out of their dead end. and from where they rebuild another capitalist failure like right now and here we go again..war!

only this time the Russians wont fight..wont agree to world war. neither will the Chinese and Iranians. the west is left to try insinuate fifth columns into power in all 3 countries to get their destructive depopulating war that destroys the revolution now out in the streets

the Khazar bakers sacrifice generations or young pristine white people just like that and the Goy whites eat it up and say they are smarter than people of color. interesting

and there is so much more. all of white life is an amazing compendium of dead end bobol’, corruption.. that leads only to human destruction. and you guys arr smarter.

and the next smart one on top there, points out that as soon as the farmer arrives its toast for the hunter-gatherers!!!

oh my god!

but what a farmer he is.was. he is on his way to extinction now, as dead as the aborigines he killed off, as corporate agriculture drives him off the land..in fact has driven him off. but that same farmer grew poisoned shit for his own people to eat, that gives them all manner of diseases. and now the corporations are worse with the poisoned food.

how in the hell is that smart?????

no man! not smart at all! suicidal? yes man! that’s it right there…SUICIDAL! SKIDSO..WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT SMART AT ALL BUT UTTERLY LUNATIC

ya’all can take hat to the bank..but hurry up. the bombs can start falling at any time now..precipitated by their insanity that reasons they can intimidate the Russians into submission. and Paul Craig Roberts pines for another uncouth Nikita of a Russian leader to scare the shit out of Trump and the neo cons

but when the western hegemonic capitalists are faced with losing it all they cant be sacred by savage white people like themselves. I don’t think so. Today another Nikita will scare no one. and Putin is right to be calm. he will have to pull the trigger soon because the capitalist wont win this time and he is very likely to press his own armageddon button first

thats how smart the white people are..as smart as extinction

Necessity is the mother of invention. If you don’t need to invent or to solve problems to stay alive, you probably won’t invent or solve problems.

If you draw a line from the Himalayas to the Caucuses to the Alps, it is easy to see how living north of that line would require much more problem solving to stay alive. Anything north of that line is a really harsh and brutal environment. The weak and dumb would be selected out by nature.

It is Darwinian adaptability that has created the IQ gap.

Impoverishment causing low IQ conflicts with the general theory of high IQ.

If you draw a line from the Himalayas to the Caucuses to the Alps, the IQ of people north of this line is higher than the IQ of people south of this line.

It was much harder to live in the cold north and consequently those who could not figure out how to survive, perished.

That is because the scientific method is seldom followed. If you want to disprove a scientific result, you faithfully follow the method outlined in the original test and come up with a different answer. Anything else is nothing but a means of avoiding the reproduction of a result that you don’t like.

Interesting. I think after I reached my 30’s I began to read much better than I did when I was young. In my youth I was probably ADD since I could never sit still and loved sports. By 30 I slowed down. Lawyers read so damn much. Eight, ten, fifteen hours a day. Once I got reading down, tests just seemed far easier than they did before. The initial conclusion I made, probably erroneously, was that if I could do it, anyone could do it, with practice. It took me till my late 50’s to realize that was not the case and I was probably always able to do things others couldn’t, but when I was young, my physical energy, which needed release, got in the way.

[you.name.it]bergs and [you.name.it]steins are of course in the marketing business of exploiting every means to impose and maintain the pathological guilt and blame model, digging up everything they can. It becomes very boring, but the sado-masochistic power hungry liberal progressive establishments love it.

And not a Jew in site what’s with that? Stupid Jewish people is a very thin book!

My own, fairly harsh take on US blacks is this:

They descend from slaves. People who got enslaved tend to not be the top performers of their respective ethnicity. They were then bred to be slaves, and important part of that was “teaching them to be helpless”.

They also didnt have, in contrast to f.e. Mamelucks or Jannisaries pos 1700, some type of possible upward social mobility.

I would also caution that the law of small numbers will likely be strongly in effect here, and probably result in some relatively small groups scoring higher.

This is absolutely the dumbest and most ignorant commentary that I have EVER read!

Actually, the cutoff for IQ and maintaining civilisation seems to be (with a handful of notable exceptions) 97. The exceptions involve the EU and EA (without whom Greece would be a destitute basket case at IQ around 94) and major financial centres (Singapore).

Oh… and it seemsthat Flynn is on the same page as regards dumb reproduction: his puckishly-suggested solution is elegant, if stupid –

“I do have faith in science, and science may give us something that renders conception impossible unless you take an antidote,” he said.

“You could of course have a chemical in the water supply and have to take an antidote. If you had contraception made easier by progress, then every child is a wanted child.”

He was obviously not serious about that, since he’s not a fucking idiot. It would have the same problems as water fluoridation: treating entire populations with an endocrine disruptor, in doses that vary according to thirst rather than objectively-quantified diagnostic need.

(Fluoride also ‘crowds out’ iodine/iodide in the thyroid, leading to systemic shortages of T3 and T4, which are important metabolic regulators; no surprise then that obese-tards often have thyroid ‘issues’).

More importantly, he points out why folks like him and Watson can speak their minds –

Dr Flynn said at 73 he was too old to worry about offending anyone.

OK… so I just raised my BOTE estimate of the ‘environment’ side of the nature/nurture contributions (not that it matters – of which more below).

I have known for some time that Flynn is a Kiwi – which is a datapoint for the ‘nature’ side, coz Kiwi pakeha are smart as, cuzzie.

TIL he was born a Yank (ergo from objectively the least-literate and least-numerate cohort of the OECD[1]).

He ‘transitioned’ to unleash his inner Kiwi (he arrived in Ao Tea Roa in his late ’20s – a couple of years before I was born; not sure how long after that he was Kiwified).

Kiwis score higher than Yanks on PIAAC on both literacy and numeracy- even counting the brown folks and immigrants. (In fact, NZ scores higher on numeracy than Australia, England, Canada and France – almost equal to Germany, but with slightly higher variance)

So Flynn moved from a dumb country to a smarter one. Checkmate, racists!

Regardless of the appropriate weights for nature and nurture, the primary question is “Do we want a society in which we justify not helping the submerged fifth because they are X% genetically stupid?” (X ∈ [0,…100])

Coz let’s be clear: if X ≥ 40 – i.e., IQ differentials have a significant genetic component… it’s a reason not to help stupid whites.

In any case, I don’t give a fuck about the relative nature/nurture weights, since stupid people raise their children in dysgenic environments anyhow.

This is what motivates my vehement opposition to welfare subsidies for reproduction – since those subsidies do not furnish incentives to the rich/smart cohort, so they ‘stimulate’ the poor and stupid to out-breed the rest.

[1] for evidence that the adult US population has the lowest literacy and numeracy in the OECD, gorge on the following outputs of the OECD’s PIAAC study (the largest cross-sectional study of adult cognition ever undertaken: N=165,000).

Repository:

OECD PIAAC Publications

Key Documents:

OECD (2013), OECD Skills Outlook 2013: First Results from the Survey Of Adults Skills
• pp63-67 give an overview of what adults can do at each of the five assessed literacy levels;
• pp75-78 do the same for numeracy;
• pp 87-90 do likewise for problem-solving.

OECD, “The OECD Programme for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC)” , 2010 (boring methodological document)

OECD The Survey of Adult Skills: Reader’s Companion, Second Edition

Rammstedt et al (2013) PIAAC 2012: Overview of the Main Results
• p5 gives the mapping from raw test scores to the 5 assessment levels;
• p7-8 give examples of test criteria for the different levels
• p9 gives the median score/PIAAC level for each OECD country.

NZ Results are in OECD (2016) Skills Matter: Further Results from the Survey of Adult Skills – New Zealand

How do you reconcile this with adoption and twin studies that show “shared environment” explains approximately zero of the variance in adult IQ? Whatever mechanism causes national IQ gaps has to be compatible with that.

The fact that adoptive parent SES doesn’t correlate with adoptive child IQ makes the income causes IQ hypothesis implausible unless the mechanism is prenatal.

To clarify, I meant “pay attention to politicians of all parties…”

profit himself has one best choice: (D)emocrat politician…it has a lot to do with psychopaths rising to the top of any organization where morals are a tertiary concern.

You apparently have not spent enough time paying attention to politicians, specifically their actions as compared with the positions/policies they espouse. The nature of psychopathy is to take advantage of any situation regardless of the outward appearance, and political parties are amoral by nature.

The first sentence assumes a false dichotomy

You lost me there. How so?

His first sentence is quoted as: “I think it is more probably than not that the IQ difference between black and white Americans is environmental.”

I suppose my interpretation is arguable. I read that sentence as having an implicit “rather than genetic” at the end. This is because of “the IQ difference” implying all of the difference is environmental. I think rewriting that sentence as “I think it is more probable than not that most of the IQ difference between black and white Americans is environmental.” would more accurately reflect Flynn’s view.

That is why I think the quote might be incorrect. Flynn comes across as a nuanced and precise thinker. Have you ever been interviewed? Reporters getting quotes exactly right is hard enough when they are sympathetic.

So you would lose that bet. You would lose it right now based on the evidence. You would lose it conclusively under an experiment with proper scientific controls.

Given that I talked about taking either side of the bet (depending on the odds offered) it is hard to conclude I would lose it ; )

But I assume you are talking about me betting on the disadvantage side of “I cannot be sure if they have a genetic advantage or disadvantage.”

We will see who is correct, eventually. I’m curious, do you also think pygmys have a genetic height advantage over everyone else?

The first sentence assumes a false dichotomy

You lost me there. How so?

P.S. Regarding things like “cannot be sure” I prefer to think in terms of betting. What odds (or thresholds) would it take (on either side) for me to accept that bet? I am risk averse in this context so the responses tend not to be symmetric.

Historically, strongly held pseudoscientific positions have been proven wrong, particularly as pertains the abilities or inabilities of black people. So with the passage of time, what we have is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance as these claims and theories are thoroughly refuted one after another.

So you would lose that bet. You would lose it right now based on the evidence. You would lose it conclusively under an experiment with proper scientific controls.

Grand, generic pronouncements of group differences in cognitive ability should no longer be accepted without challenge. Technology already exists that could make such statements invalid. While in the past they preserved an element of truth over a time frame of thousands of years, it is self-apparent that such truth will not be preserved for another century.

In recognition of this, group cognitive differences should only be referenced by clearly designating the age range and specific location of the group under discussion. Group cognitive differences should no longer be reported as a permanent psychometric feature. This is understood to be false. It is entirely possible that starting in April of this year, a new cognitive ability generation could begin to be born

Thanks. I don’t exactly consider Ezra Klein and Vox reliable (i.e. even somewhat unbiased) reporters so an actual Flynn quote would still help if anyone has one.

I followed your link and it also includes the following claimed to be an actual quote, which sounds plausible.

His read of the evidence right now, and this is me quoting him. He says, “I think it is more probably than not that the IQ difference between black and white Americans is environmental. As a social scientist, I cannot be sure if they have a genetic advantage or disadvantage.”

That second sentence is a pretty weak statement (cannot be sure). As of this moment I actually agree with it. The first sentence assumes a false dichotomy so I am not sure how to interpret it (I would very much like to hear Flynn clarify what he means there).

When assessing “quotes” it is also useful to know whether the words were chosen by the quotee or responsive (e.g. to a loaded interview type question). I suspect the excerpt you gave is the latter. Perhaps paraphrased or otherwise “interpreted.”

P.S. Regarding things like “cannot be sure” I prefer to think in terms of betting. What odds (or thresholds) would it take (on either side) for me to accept that bet? I am risk averse in this context so the responses tend not to be symmetric.

I don’t have a direct quotation. According to Ezra Klein, Flynn said something along those lines.

James Flynn just said to me two days ago that it is consistent with the evidence that there is a genetic advantage or disadvantaged for African Americans. That it is entirely possible that the 10-point IQ difference we see reflects a 12-point environmental difference and a negative-two genetic difference.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/9/17210248/sam-harris-ezra-klein-charles-murray-transcript-podcast

Agreed. Do you have a reference so I can see his actual words? Nuance can be important.

Do you have a reference for specifically what he said? Conceivable is very different from likely (IMO, apparently not everyone agrees with me: https://thesaurus.plus/related/conceivable/likely ).

Well did Flynn ever say that it was LIKELY that white people have a genetic advantage over black people in intelligence? Of course he didn’t. You see, he doesn’t know. But he would probably answer that it’s conceivable but unlikely.

Do you have a reference for specifically what he said? Conceivable is very different from likely (IMO, apparently not everyone agrees with me: https://thesaurus.plus/related/conceivable/likely ).

Wandering off topic, I thought this brief discussion about conceivable/possible/probable was interesting: http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1729
Quantum mechanics is a good example of something that is likely, but not really conceivable.

How do you establish a group difference? Certainly not with IQ, which can be learned. We have to assume that there is no group difference until proven otherwise.

This is a question that’s virtually impossible to answer. But it’s highly unlikely that nature created group differences in intelligence given that no other complex trait is discretely differentiated.

Flynn also said that it’s conceivable that black people have a genetic advantage in intelligence.

2018 has been a watershed year for psychometrics.

The publication of the large EA GWAS and the recent announcement of CRISPRing should provoke all of us to deeply contemplate the world of the future as the new year approaches. This year a marvelous potential world of universally high IQ went from obscure blog posts to headline news.

Best wishes to all as we move ever closer to the Cognitive Singularity.

Haha lol.

The rich SWPLs of DC / NOVA who shop at Whole Foods and Wegmans have jealousy guarded “family silver” and make crude racial comments about ‘the help’ which are captured “a million times” by spyware secretly installed by the unrecognized genius cable guy? Let me guess, their names are Biff and Buffy, too?

Unless this is a summary of a cheezy video shown at mandatory diversity trainings, I declare it one of the top ten fantastical fantasies I have read this year. Well done, sir.

correction: As I indicated, your meaning is unclear but by definition “christiniaty” —- denotes a nonsecular belief and practice.

As I indicated, based on what you stated . . it’s unclear.

Here’s your comment,

“Buddhism have more in common with neo-leftism [universal morality ”only-for or against-whites” than jewsuscismus.

Actual christianism is a secularized version of its original form, obscurantist as mostly all mythologies.”

As I indicated, your meaning is unclear but by definition —- denotes a nonsecular construct. I think there was an invitation to expound in further detail what you mean.

It means,

“Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit.”

says the Lord.

Zechariah 4:6

” Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”

Timothy 1:6-7
https://www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/not-by-might-nor-by-power-but-by-my-spirit-edward-hardee-sermon-on-holy-spirit-attributes-114124

I could certainly cite more from the OT and the NT.

You just take part of my comment and created a contradiction…

Good Santo Klaus