Didn’t GWB talk about “the soft bigotry of low expectations”?

Steve King has always been like this. I remember ten years ago, people were bitching about him saying that he was a xenophobe. The question is – why are they going after him now?

Whenever I go on hostile message boards, here is what I say when it comes to race which tends to “get past the censors” –

“Its a shame that blacks don’t perform at the level of whites and calling them lazy and saying they need to work harder is condescending. Few people are really lazy and sometimes them not living up to your expectations is an excuse for calling them such. There’s no good guys or bad guys in this thing. It’s just how the dice rolls. Sort of like how men are on average taller than women. The more you understand this, the more at peace you will be.”

I kind of wonder if a sitting congressman were to say such a thing – if he/she would also get the king treatment.

Speaking of not who we are, I’m beginning to think that Brit Hume is not who we are. He seems to be getting a bit uppity lately. Do any of you folks know anything about him?

Brit Hume Criticizes ‘Completely Bogus’ NYT Report On Steve King, Critiques Media For ‘Weaponizing’ Racist Charge https://t.co/C89VhdqVgl— Mark Krikorian (@MarkSKrikorian) January 16, 2019

I moved to the UK in 2005 for a couple years and remember that puke Tony Blair used to spout the “not who we are” line. I just thought it was a Britishism until Obama started using it every time there was pushback on any policy.

It’s just a shwarmy rhetorical device to set up a straw man. For example: say the conservatives are pushing back on double digit NHS funding increases. “Having Britons die in the street from lack of care is ….Not Who We Are!”

I keep waiting for someone to push back on this cheap shot but it seems Conservatives on both sides of the pond are cucked beyond hope.

Off topic, but I feel compelled to write this today. As an epigone you suck. Here’s why, Sailer’s comment moderation is maddening and makes any dialog with other commenters well-nigh impossible especially given his frenzied posting schedule. By the time your comment appears, he has six new posts and it’s a royal PITA to backtrack, find replies or other relevant comments to which you may reply, then reply and wait even longer for moderation, then hope the person to whom you responded does the same. Your method is FAR superior which then makes Sailer your epigone, no? Today, and not for the first time, I thought hard about giving up my decade old Sailer commenting habit (not my Sailer reading habit, just the commenting). Maybe that’s by design.

My only complaint with your corner of Unz is that for some reason, comments that appear immediately on your threads don’t appear immediately in “my comments” under the Unz comment archive. Weird.

“is”.

Emanuel Macron’s “Letter to the French Public” muses about “who we are” and those , who can’t get no “satisfaction” – – – and therefor – – “riot!”

Most important of Macron’s distinctions: La France – – – is different – cf. Jacques Derrida’s umpteenth resurrection!

(my fat mots!)

“Chères Françaises, chers Français, mes chers compatriotes,

Dans une période d’interrogations et d’incertitudes comme celle que nous traversons, nous devons nous rappeler qui nous sommes.

La France n’est pas un pays comme les autres.

Le sens des injustices y est plus vif qu’ailleurs. L’exigence d’entraide et de solidarité plus forte.

Chez nous, ceux qui travaillent financent les pensions des retraités. Chez nous, un grand nombre de citoyens paie un impôt sur le revenu, parfois lourd, qui réduit les inégalités. Chez nous, l’éducation, la santé, la sécurité, la justice sont accessibles à tous indépendamment de la situation et de la fortune. Les difficultés de la vie, comme le chômage, peuvent être surmontées, grâce à l’effort partagé par tous.

C’est pourquoi la France est, de toutes les nations, une des plus fraternelles et des plus égalitaires.

C’est aussi une des plus libres, puisque chacun est protégé dans ses droits et dans sa liberté d’opinion, de conscience, de croyance ou de philosophie.

Et chaque citoyen a le droit de choisir celles et ceux qui porteront sa voix dans la conduite du pays, dans l’élaboration des lois, dans les grandes décisions à prendre.

Chacun partage le destin des autres et chacun est appelé à décider du destin de tous : c’est tout cela, la Nation française.

Comment ne pas éprouver la fierté d’être Français ?

Je sais, bien sûr, que certains d’entre nous sont aujourd’hui insatisfaits ou en colère. Parce que les impôts sont pour eux trop élevés, les services publics trop éloignés, parce que les salaires sont trop faibles pour que certains puissent vivre dignement du fruit de leur travail, parce que notre pays n’offre pas les mêmes chances de réussir selon le lieu ou la famille d’où l’on vient. Tous voudraient un pays plus prospère et une société plus juste.
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Agreed. I’ve been doing this for a long time, with family and friends, even with strangers. Every chance I get, I push back. No, gays are not funny and cute, they’re sad, confused people, etc. About help being sent to Africa I have one example:
An old lady from my circle of friends asked me what do I think about donating to her church fund to be sent to Africa. I asked her if she knows of any Irish children that need help. She said she will think about it, but she became very quiet after that.
About gays:
Went to dinner with a bunch of friends and I went out side for a smoke. While outside, this obviously crazy black man walked in and stopped in the lobby smiling at me, pretending to search in his purse. Also, he was wearing a blond wig, red miniskirt and red high heels. Going back in to our table, I said “there is a crazy man in the lobby” and described him. One of my friends took issue and said “we don’t call them crazy”. I replied “I do!”. That man had the right to wear women clothes in public and I have the right to call him crazy. End of the argument.
I tell you, if felt good.

You’re right. Before we can force Ass-Whites to choose, we must choose. They have everything that they want. The first move is our’s. And it will hurt. You will lose “friends,” family members and business.

But what is that compared to your people, your children’s future.

Make them choose.

First, WE must choose, no? We must choose to shun everyone who refuses to acknowledge their fucking duty to maintain, uphold, and improve our civilization and the people who created it.

It isn’t easy, but we must ostracize our own family members who fight for Hinpoohs and Mestizos/Indios, for negroes and orientals, for “progressive” crap like elevating faggots above men who sacrifice everything for the sake of their own children. Don’t hire them, don’t support them, don’t invite them to family gatherings, don’t speak to them unless to berate them for being traitors to their own legacy and destructive of all that is sacred in life. Above all, stop making excuses for them.

A man will eagerly step in front of a bus to save a child, even a child of his neighbor. How many such men do we know? And if the rest aren’t men, what are they? A man will sacrifice for his kin. We are surrounded by sub-men who are concerned only with themselves and their own hedonistic infantile wants which are indisputably counter to the values and mores that created us. Stop feeding these animalistic sub-men. That is step one. The rest will follow.

It means we must change and change is difficult, no? Why does this even need to be said? It should be obvious to us all. Take a cruise or help mom move into our home or assisted living? Is that a serious adult decision? Help our children with everything we have or give it away to some cannibal savages in a jungle or camel rapers in a desert? A question? Quit thinking your bullshit functionary middle management job is “important” and spend as much time as possible doing something that upholds and advances our people and our civilization no matter how big or how small said effort may be. Pick up the trash, paint your house, play catch with your son, march on DC in armed but non-violent protest, whatever.

Cut off completely those who could even entertain such things as questions. Ridicule and humiliate them. Give them nothing. By default we will achieve the results you plead for so eloquently.

You brothas beez a tough crowd, ya feel me?

Obviously, ‘no-platforming’ everyone and everything is how the left takes care of such resistance. Figure out how to neutralize it to proceed.

The best currently functioning example.

https://www.afriforum.co.za/home/

It’s become very clear to me over the past couple of years that a certain segment of whites needs to form its own community within the overall society.

We need a base. If one of us gets fired from a job because we’re white, there’s a business to hire him. If one of us gets attacked in the media, we have a white ADL to sue the shit out out any business that published against him. We need schools, community groups, political groups, etc., than fight for our people.

I’m under no illusion that the vast majority of whites will find this abhorent – at first. I have several answers to that.

First, fuck them. And I mean fuck them. Exclude them. They want to hang with the blacks and browns, let them. But they don’t get to live with us. That’s the problem with us right now. We allow Ass-Whites to both claim moral superiority over us and to enjoy the benefits of living and working around us.

Make them choose.

Second, most white – including Ass-Whites – either don’t believe what they’re saying or have a belief that one-inch deep. Force them to choose, and they’ll choose our side. Ass-Whites don’t want to be around blacks and browns.

Make them choose.

I realize that what I’m saying is both incredible simple and seemingly impossible. Everything is against us. But I honestly believe that we only need the slightest foothold to quickly gain ground. Richard Spencer and the rest have been wasting their time giving interviews. The battle will be won in very small ways on the ground with business groups, community groups, church groups, etc., that quietly – very quietly – form around European heritage.

Whites need a base.

Poor ‘bonics not beez who we is.

The correct grammar is: “That ain’t who we bein’.”

I’m unfamiliar with that dialect, the “n”is only used for past tense like this: “we dun ben did dat alreddy doe, gnome sayin?” For present tense it’s always either “be” or “beez”.

I’m a native Detrioter so I speak the Detriot dialect of jive, ya feel me doe?

I propose instead that the correct term must be: “Ain’t who we beez, gnome sayin, ya feel me?”

Your Ebonics is atrocious.

Indeed. The correct grammar is: “That ain’t who we bein’.”

The Ten Commandments notwithstanding, the message on the street is that God helps those who helped themselves.

Moral hazards come in many forms.

Your Ebonics is atrocious.

Both.

I’m kind of surprised the House hasn’t gone the expulsion route. It requires a two-thirds majority, but with the Democrats guaranteed to vote unanimously for expulsion, I don’t think that it’s inconceivable that enough virtue-signalling Republican cuckservatives would vote for expulsion to reach two-thirds. Generally, expulsion is reserved for serious misconduct (Steve King has yet to rob a bank) but in the present climate crimethink may well be an expulsion offense.

Sam Huntington wrote a book called Who Are We?: The Challenges to America’s National Identity

Sam Huntington said the United States was a British Protestant settler nation.

Sam Huntington in Who Are We?

The deconstructionists promoted programs to enhance the status and influence of subnational, racial, ethnic and cultural groups. They encouraged immigrants to maintain their birth country cultures, granted them legal privileges denied to native-born Americans, and denounced the idea of Americanization as un-American. They pushed the re-writing of history syllabi and textbooks so as to refer to the “peoples” of the United States in place of the single people of the Constitution. They urged supplementing or substituting for national history the history of subnational groups. They downgraded the centrality of English in American life and pushed bilingual education and linguistic diversity. They advocated legal recognition of group rights and racial preferences over the individual rights central to the American Creed. They justified their actions by theories of multiculturalism and the idea that diversity rather than unity or community should be America’s overriding value. The combined effect of these efforts was to promote the deconstruction of the American identity that had been gradually created over three centuries and the ascendance of subnational identities.

Tweet from 2014:

Who Are We? http://t.co/vcRJPh70C1 Sam Huntington said US is a British Protestant nation; Buchanan says European Christian #immigration

— Charles Pewitt (@CharlesPewitt) December 11, 2014

I, for one, am offended. “Not who we are” is cultural oppression and evidence of white supremacy if not outright nazism.

I propose instead that the correct term must be: “Ain’t who we beez, gnome sayin, ya feel me?”

O/T

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46802548

Read this to see what policies may actually have a better chance of working. Paying the Third World governments to halt trafficking has much less media backlash than deporting them once they are in a European country. Journos don’t want to rough it south of the Sahara.

The risk is that the UN agency mentioned will shove the migrants into the West “legally”. And this is in a country that just sprouted a US military base almost without notice.

I don’t know much about him but he doesn’t seem to be very bright.

He’s certainly naïve to talk with the NYT in anything other than an email interview. Terrible advice from his aides, like that woman who told Sarah Palin to sit for a MSM interview.

What’s with the big spike c. ’04-’05 in the rest of the Anglosphere?

Is this technically accurate?

No.

The House could expel him if they so decided.

IMO, if he wins again the party leadership cannot claim his positions were “hidden”, and would be pressured to re-admit him like the Dems did with Joe Lieberman.

If the district sends King back to Congress they cannot deny him re-admission to the committees.

Why do you think this is true?

Given his age, King should have packed it in years ago and endorsed a like-minded sucessor.

I don’t know much about him but he doesn’t seem to be very bright.

I agree with you guys, but at the same time I keep thinking that the ‘own goals’ on his part were unnecessary and counterproductive, which is sort of in the nature of ‘own goals’. I see no upside in sounding off and making internet fanatics clap if in the process you write yourself right out of the political scene. IMHO we need more sub rosa support, not more flameouts.

If the district sends King back to Congress they cannot deny him re-admission to the committees.

Is this technically accurate?

Don’t know if my earlier reply to 216 went through. Steve King is probably toast in 2020; he already has two primary challengers and Conservatism, Inc will do all that it can to defeat him. 216 is right that he probably should have retired sometime back. Perhaps he can serve as a “senior stateman” for the Identitarian movement in the United States. Sad that he keeps approaching race realism, but then tries to take refuge in civic nationalism. It hasn’t worked. It will never work. He should have gone full “sh*tlord” and told Kevin McCarthy to stuff his well-nigh worthless committee assignments.

The USA is well and truly f*cked!

Related topic: Steve King

Is it worth considering for Steve King to resign his seat, thus triggering a special election, and then running to reclaim it?

At this point, I don’t see him winning renomination in spring ’20, and even if he did the Dems would likely beat him in the fall. The establishment will ensure his challenger has unlimited funds.

But in this environment, the special election would become a national referendum on the Wall. GOP turnout would be fired up. If the district sends King back to Congress they cannot deny him re-admission to the committees.

Given his age, King should have packed it in years ago and endorsed a like-minded sucessor.

Those other (formerly) white countries will catch up in time. After all, they’re subject to the same ‘influences’ virtually without exception.

Question though: is it that the (formerly) white nations invited those ‘influences’ or did the ‘influences’ deliberately insinuate themselves into white cultures, with an eye toward hijacking? Or simply both?

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Wouldn’t the German portion of Texas be another one of these pockets?

Could be the reason they live such slothful lives rife with violence. Hard to figure out why the white man behaves the he does! I personally think it has to do with a genetic predisposition to lash out in hatred.
The white man has only been civilized, for at best 5 centuries. Tens of thousands of years they lived as virtual land roaming savage animals. Natural selection selected the most violent psycopathic of the race that was successful in pro creating with as many negresess (their light skinned offspring) they could furthering their primitive behavior. It is futile to even attempt it. Anywhere the white man rests his head is an area that has experienced chaos and violence. From Africa to Europe, the white man leaves a wake destruction in its path.

Just look at the destruction of native peoples all over the world! Not all of the white people are bad but I am sure the many mean well in their cognitive dissonant personalities as they want the best for all citizens and not just the ones who happen to have stolen power over the ages.

Well said.

Clearly white plantation owners and their white employees failed lamentably in attempting the needed rate of miscegenation.

You make an interesting point about music. I agree that listening to classical music is not good for going to sleep. Indeed the best soporific I have found is the news, repeated as it usually is without new and exciting news. An exception I found was the Canadian news which was so irritatingly boring that it had the opposite to the desired effect. The BBC followed by Deutsche Welle was fine….

I agree with Another Fred but go a little further in wanting to add in the likelihood that many genes are involved in each of the important functions of sleep so that some people might be able to process their disorganised perceptual and argumentative data from the day much more quickly and efficiently than others thereby needing less sleep to make sense in the offoce next day. Cf. the genetically influenced differences in processing speed for math, for example. Other genes would mean that more or less time was needed for muscle repair or restoration of endocrine functions.

I would have liked to know whether they had considered the hypothesis that the hunter gatherers might have enjoyed several hours during which body and mind could get at least part of the benefits of proper sleep. One could make an approach to this anywhere by having some subjects spend say 5 hours sleeping and 4 hours meditating or engaged in rituals close to meditative relaxation.

I would be interested to know about “polyphasic sleep” and the studies which show that some people can sleep less asca result without harm. I only hear of the studies showing how many people are not getting enough sleep and the harm it causes.

My theory is that the real intrinsic need for sleep is roughly normally distributed around an average of about 7.5 hours with sd roughly 50 minutes. But that might be complicated by the possibility that one person might be able to provide sleeping time for all neurological, hormonal and other physical repairs as well as consolidation of memories, calm anxieties and whatever else sleep is supposed to do for an adult in 5 hours a night’s sleep whereas another person might need 8 hours for health of heart, arteries and endocrine glands even though their mental functions were adequately served by 5 hours sleep. Those latter might be the senior execs who have heart attacks at 50 (used to be 10 years earlier in mybfather’s generation).

Peter,

The OKCupid database has data for various sleep-related variables. Since the sample is 70k world-wide, it would be possible to examine regional differences as well as racial. Sample size probably too small (few Africans use it) to examine state x race interactions except for the largest states.

Yes, they lost me there. Of course the differential is genetic, Occam’s Razor….

another apparently overlooked factor in the data presented is the age of folks, and especially whether they are retired and do not set the alarm.

So far, my sleep needs have changed not a whit since childhood. If I do not get enough sleep, I feel tired, even with only an hour or so short of normal.Joe Webb

Then for those attracted to Chinese 5 element theory and acupuncture, the theory claims that different organs get their charge as well as their rest at different hours of a 24 hour clock. On this stuff I am agnostic but I sleep better between the hours recommended by this theory…10 pm to 6 or 7 am, which of course is merely consistent with caveman life/nature.

Joe Webb

I live near Stanford U. I used to mess with my sleep cuz of work schedules and thus paid attention to Stanford Sleep Center info.

Last time I checked, they recommended 8 to 9 hours sleep for long life and they liked naps.

I am retired and allow myself as much sleep as my body wants. Stanford Sleep Center took the position that most people do not get enough sleep and rest. Most folks perceive me as 15 and sometimes more years younger than I am.

Never smoked, don’t drink, moderate exercise and allow myself as much sleep as my body wants. I recommend it. Nothing like a fully rested body and mind.

Which gets me to work and stress. I think people get worn out and aged by overwork and stress.
Which also contributes to alcohol etc. use. I have known a couple folks who would not let themselves get more than 5 hours of sleep. They always looked bad and dunno about their longevity.

Joe Webb

Actually it was shown that black sleep less because blacks are outside robbing stores and whites while they sleep.

less sleep makes you lasy and dumb is all i got from this.

Could be the reason they live such slothful lives rife with violence. Hard to figure out why the African behaves the he does. I personally think it has to do with a genetic predisposition to lash out in hatred. The negroid also is extremely sexually active, if I m not mistaken, black females on average have more testosterone then Asain males. Black women are very sexually aggressive. It is not uncommon in black inner city areas for black girls to be having sex at age 12. I think is do to high infant mortality deaths in Africa, they evolved to mass produce children because so many would die at a young age.
Prior to colonization the African lived as basically an animal without any medicine or technology. The African has only been civilized for a few centuries. Tens of thousands of years they lived as virtual land roaming savage animals. Natural selection selected the most violent psycopathic of the race that was successful in pro creating with as many negresess they could furthering their primitive behavior. Their is so pacifying or domesticating nature’s creation of the negro. It is futile to even attempt it. Anywhere the negro rests his head is an area that has experienced chaos and violence. From Africa to Europe, the negroid leaves a wake destruction in its path.

Hater of Jews: You

There was this recent story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34544394

As for dream activity, those dreams that I recall are pedestrian and of no apparent relatedness to my daily routine.

That’s interesting, my experience has been the exact opposite. My dreams always connect to my daily life. They usually follow the typical bizarro world plot line of a dream, but each part of the dream can be traced back to something in my life (usually something that is connected with high emotions, good or bad).

An important function of sleep that you omit is the disposal of toxic residues and waste derived from a days activities. As you note the brain consumes a large portion of the body’s energy. That consumption generates waste that must be removed. Most of the waste removal occurs during sleep.

Assuming sleep is essentially just a way of keeping energy expenditures down when they’re not needed

It’s much more than that, though. They have done studies where they allow a subject to get a normal total amount of sleep, but don’t allow them to go into REM sleep. It really messes a person up.

This is also why ‘drunk sleeping’ is never really restful, even though you might sleep longer than normal after a night out. The alcohol messes with your REM sleep.

I need to start staying up later then.

I hear that the brain requires a relatively large amount of energy compared to other organs.

An example of that is the scientific racialist position that a large and intelligent brain becomes a relative deficit when the owner of such a brain is surrounded by dummies and consequently a society that does not have much to think about. The deficit was, as I recall, merely that of squandering of precious calories on a brain that gobbles up calories even when just idling in traffic like a muscle-car guzzling gas in gridlock. In a poor society, calories are hard come by and the smartie unlucky enough to be born into such a society is at risk, in the first place, of not having enough to eat, and this can lead to other deficits.

Personally as an owner of a fairly well-endowed brain, I am heavily dependent on eating enough to keep said brain happy, but also in need of a lot of sleep, at least 8 hours and usually 9.

As for dream activity, those dreams that I recall are pedestrian and of no apparent relatedness to my daily routine. The main exception being women who have made some kind of emotional impact. Politics, etc. which I think about far more than women, never appears in my dreams.

Perhaps naively, I see sleep as merely rest and nothing more. Another observed phenomenon personally is listening to music when I am tired. I listen to mostly classical with a bit of straight ahead jazz now and then. I don’t want to listen to music when I am tired. My brain is tired and does not want to process it. It is that simple. It wants to rest and go to sleep.

What is also very interesting is how a short nap can revive me. This can I suppose be seen as some kind of “Unconscious” settling of accounts, or as merely profound rest. I put my money on the latter.

Joe Webb

Frost, more interesting, i.e., more work for you, would be a piece on the levels of mental illness in different ethnic groups. Does it fit the usual Rushton pattern?

Sleep is not really about preserving energy or recharging the body’s physical batteries, although these can be secondary effects of sleep. The primary and quintessential purpose of sleep, however, is maintaining proper mental functioning.

We sleep so that we may dream. We dream so that we may integrate new sensory perceptions into our existing patterns of behavior and respond accordingly to an ever-changing environment. This is a necessity of animal existence.

Plant life is defined by the nutritive faculty only and is the simplest form of life. Plants neither sense, move, nor reason; they just take in nourishment and grow, all of it unconsciously. A plant is not entirely separate from the landscape and setting in which it appears; rather it forms a part of that setting. Using a bit of poetic license, one might say that the plant is an extension from the soil in which it grows. It is the soil in which it grows–the life bearing capacity of the soil at highest potential.

Animal life is defined by the both the nutritive and sensory faculties. Animals also take in nourishment and grow (indeed, the animal “body,” considered in abstraction, is just a plant); but in addition to the body there is also the animal “self.” Unlike the plant, every free-living animal is an individual, a microcosm within a macrocosm, and stands separate and apart from its environment. The ability to sense means that there is a distinction between that who senses and everything else in creation. The animal is not unconscious like the plant; it has to care for itself. It senses, and it must respond to that which it perceives. Such responses we call “motion,” using the word in an expansive sense. Thus sensory perception and motion go together.

In the higher animals, the interface between the microcosm and the macrocosm increasingly becomes embodied in the functioning of the nervous system, whose job it is to integrate the impressions left on the sense organs and to modulate the organism’s responses to them. The nervous system’s ability to perform this function, however, is not unlimited. When the organism can no longer receive sense impressions or generate responses, tiredness is experienced and sleep ensues. The body becomes a plant again; and the mind, temporarily cut off from pressing demands, is free to digest the material of the day.

For human beings there is an additional element. Human life is defined by the nutritive, sensory, and rational faculties–man is the rational animal. Therefore, in addition to the mere sense impressions of the animals there is added to our experience the whole new dimension of words and concepts. This is what gives human dreams their particularly surreal quality, as the relationship between material sense impressions and immaterial concepts is undergoing constant adjustment in the theater of the mind.

All of this can be summed up in a simple relationship: The greater the strains of mental activity, the more need there is to sleep and to dream, and in fact this is exactly what we find. Children, to whom the world is constantly affording new experiences and who are actively learning all the time, sleep and dream more than adults; intellectual workers dream more than manual laborers; people in new circumstances (e.g. moving or changing careers) experience an uptick in dream activity; and people under great duress, who have just endured the loss of a loved one or a divorce, or are otherwise in the depths of some spiritual crisis, even though they often suffer from sleep disturbances, are prone to have the most piercing and lurid dreams of all. Finally, people who are deliberately deprived of sleep in psychological experiments are known to undergo a pronounced mental deterioration which ultimately results in psychosis and death. Well-adjusted adults with settled lives and few existential concerns infrequently remember their dreams and can get by on the least amount of sleep.

The relevance of these data to the present article I will leave to the reader to determine, but my guess is that the exact opposite of the article’s contention is in fact the truth. Blacks today are generally less worried and stressed out than whites.

And that only stands to reason.

I’d like to the see the data sorted by region of the country. America is a big diverse country ethnically and culturally. A blacks in New England exhibiting a greater or lesser sleep gap compared to blacks in the Deep South? How about white sleep patterns between Appalachia and the Midlands?

The somewhat comical part of these studies is the assumption that all whites are the same when anyone who has traveled a bit knows this to be false. Similarly, the greatest genetic diversity among humans is in sub-Saharan Africa, thus meaning all blacks are not the same either.

Or, we can fall back on magic and pretend the Sandman is a Racist.

antisemite:

any thought of person that a Jew doesn’t like

No one’s mentioned yet an important data point, the Yale email atrocity:

This email and the subsequent reaction to it have interrupted their lives. I have friends who are not going to class, who are not doing their homework, WHO ARE LOSING SLEEP [emphasis added], who are skipping meals, and who are having breakdowns. I feel drained.

This article by a member of the Black Student Alliance is clear proof that racism is the cause not only of sleep disparities, but of disparities in educational achievement, mental health, and nutrition as well.

Economic factors, stress, poverty? Living conditions? Smaller/larger households, type of job? TV use, eating patterns. Family conditions, drug and alcohol use? There are so many potential confounding factors.

Any time we are talking about something as a characteristic of race there needs to be race wide research. Do whites in Europe or Africa sleep more than blacks. Do blacks in Africa really sleep less than whites? We need more research and hopefully some black researchers will get involved.

I dated a great girl from Sierra Leone for a year and learned that sun is for relaxing and shivering is for activating. I learned that because I knew the opposite all my life, without knowing I knew that. I have often wanted to simplify my experience reductively and say that blacks are basically all bipolar, because what’s with the range of their emotions, I mean it’s patently abnormal you know? Big heat makes them relax and trigger happy too?… well because they’d rather relax, except for that blazed nigga tryin to debo my spot. Still killing in cold Chicago? Well, they’re kinda cold blooded, in an activating sense, you know?. With these people there’s an exception to every rule and you have to start by reversing the rules. The most consistent, scientific environment I suppose is of course prison. And yep, they were always the majority early risers, every morn, up playin spades. And rapping all afternoon till rec.

It would be interesting to extract some figures on the average length of sleep allowed to male and to female slaves in the US, and the siestas allowed to them; as well, of course, as any comparable figures for the rest of the Americas.

Especially in the high mortality sugar plantations of the West Indies there could, I hypothesise, have been selection for those able to survive on little sleep without excessively damaging consequences for their health.

Anything known? There doesn’t appear to be enough evidence about Africans to rule out the possibility of the way slaves were treated being a factor.

Very Bright (IQ > 125)
Weekday: 12:29 am -7:52 am
Weekend: 1:44 am -11:07 am

According to this Americans of above-average intelligence get somewhat less sleep (and stay up later) than less-intelligent Americans: http://elitedaily.com/life/culture/night-owls-creative-intelligent/686025/

Bedtimes and wake-up times for Americans in their 20s by IQ.

Very Dull (IQ < 75)
Weekday: 11:41 pm -7:20 am
Weekend: 12:35 am -10:09 pm

Normal (90 < IQ 125)
Weekday: 12:29 am -7:52 am
Weekend: 1:44 am -11:07 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night#Duration_and_geography

http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-many-myths-of-paleo-sleeping/410707/

It seems to me being that being asleep is the safest thing to do when it is dark and there are predators and other dangers. You are not going to be able to find food blundering around in the dark, and might easily become food. Long nights would select for sleeping longer. The above linked study found hunter gatherers were woken before dawn by the cold and moved about most in the morning. They avoided the midday sun and that time for taking a nap seems logical.

Where you got the info from? “Siesta” is still a BIG rutine thing in China now.

Med Siesta is for the same purpose as that in China, but for quite a different ends. Both aim at preserving energy level, Med one for fiestas in the mid nights, China one for the better efficiency during the afternoons.

It would be interesting though to see the correlation between avg brain size and the lenghth of sleep hours.

What kind of “inquiring mind” one expects from a scientist starts from a position of “it can’t be biological differences”? Jesus.

I don’t get how the siesta tradition would affect Africans more deeply than it affects Hispanics, Asians and people from the Mediterranean. Siesta was a thing in China up until the ’90s.

Whatever the case, suppose the finding was that whites sleep less than blacks.

Then, the PC police would be saying whites succeed more because they are awake more and sleep less.
PC police would say blacks sleep more because ‘racism’ stresses them out, requiring them to sleep more and do less.

It’s how PC works. No matter what the data, blacks are victims and whits are villains.

Same with whites and Jews. If Jews do bad, the narrative isn’t “Jews did bad” but “whites might have ‘antisemitic’ thoughts about Jews who did bad”, therefore, whites are put on the moral defensive even though it is Jews who did bad. Btw, if lots of Jews do bad and if noticing this fact is ‘antisemitic’, isn’t ‘antisemitism’ a good thing for honestly noticing bad Jewish behavior?

When Wasps had the power and Jews noticed a lot of bad stuff done by Wasps, that was seen as good. So, why is it bad to notice bad Jewish behavior?

Swedes (as well as Germans) are also heavy drinkers and Norwegians are teetotalers. A big split in the American Lutheran Church happened because of Norwegian American support for prohibition as opposed to German and Swedish Lutherans who did not support it.

Hindi is spoken by only 30% of the population of India as their mother tongue. Only English has enabled Vish to be a participant of this forum.This is the dilemma of India. When you try to homogenize a diverse society only the preadvantaged miniscule populations gain to the disadvantage of the rest of the traditionally marginalized sections of society. Another anomaly is forgetting the Sumerian, Harappan, Tamil, ASI genetic linguistic and historical contributions to Indian Subcontinental society. After all, all modern Indians are a mixture of ASI and ANI genes. If Vish subjects himself to a genome mapping he will find that the major contributor to his genesis are derived from ASI Dravidian genes, though he may be speaking an Indo Europeon Language now. English though another Indo European Language is favourably servicing the entire subcontinent in all scientific and other inclusive frontiers without discrimination.
Discrimination in thesociety is the bane of India. Let us be pragmatic.

Tang says:

“China do not acknowledge Nobel Prizes so they are not often selected for it either. ”

Very smart Mr Tang. China doesn’t recognise nobel prizes. It doesn’t recognise international borders (Mc Mohan Line, Japan, Philippines, Bhutan, Vietnam, South Asian Sea), It doesn’t recognise sovereignty of other nations (Tibet, et all) . Good excuse for your rogue behaviour.

Your IQ is amply shown by the quality of your friends. Every rogue and rascal in this world has China as its best friend (Pakistan, North Korea, Pol Pot….). Birds of the same feather flock together. Pakistan has gifted you 5000 sq km of totally barren and completely useless land and you have gifted them rusty weapons which don’t fire.

“anon says:
August 12, 2014 at 8:48 am

Dear Anatoly, While I don’t want to get involved in any caste discussion, I won’t agree that any particular caste has higher
IQ. Infact caste groups Kayastha and Khatri have occupied more intellectually demanding positions over a very long periods of time (a timeline of 3500 years) and even now.

Brahmins are distinguished from other castes by the presence of j2 y chromosome (@ 20- 25%, a proof of middle eastern origins). Brahmins are thus similar to Jews (but middle eastern Shephardic jews and not Asheknazi), so they must have a similar IQ in 80s(may be middle 80s, Indian IQ being in the same range). The untouchables(lowest caste) of India are of pure Aryan decent and are the most heavily R1a1 group in India (R1a1 ~ 70%) even after a three thousand year of existence.”

What rubbish, what proof do you have that we Brahmins have Arab J haplogroup, Indeed Brahmins have greater amount of R1a common among Slavic European populations. Bengali Brahmins have the highest frequency of R1a. Even Kokanastha Chitpavan Brahmins of Konkan, the same people who made up the Peshwas who ran the Mighty hindu maratha Empire have more R1a. Where did you get J from?

fuck you anatoli shithead

FYI: Chinese have won 11 Nobel prizes, and 8 of them in Science; 6 in Physics and two in Chemistry.

P.S.: Of course Indians may have won another 3 Nobel if Sir J.C. Bose, Meghnad Saha and S.N. Bose were given their Nobel dues, but that’s a different story.

Hello Indianswon,

Well indeed Tamils have won many Nobel Prizes but you are misinformed: China have won 11 Nobel Prizes till date.

China do not acknowledge Nobel Prizes so they are not often selected for it either. Still they have won it in science. Note also that they have their own Nobel equivalent.

Also Note that many Chinese immigrants and Hong Kongers have won more Nobel Prizes than even poor Tamils can even dream about.

Indians, please don’t be ignorant rant. Be informed. Acknowledge the truth.This is the age of Information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_Nobel_laureates

“Brahmins occupy a lot of the intellectually demanding positions……………………A lot of the (super high IQ) US Indian immigrants appear to be Brahmins.”

Dear Anatoly, While I don’t want to get involved in any caste discussion, I won’t agree that any particular caste has higher
IQ. Infact caste groups Kayastha and Khatri have occupied more intellectually demanding positions over a very long periods of time (a timeline of 3500 years) and even now.

Brahmins are distinguished from other castes by the presence of j2 y chromosome (@ 20- 25%, a proof of middle eastern origins). Brahmins are thus similar to Jews (but middle eastern Shephardic jews and not Asheknazi), so they must have a similar IQ in 80s(may be middle 80s, Indian IQ being in the same range). The untouchables(lowest caste) of India are of pure Aryan decent and are the most heavily R1a1 group in India (R1a1 ~ 70%) even after a three thousand year of existence.

Three thousand two hundred sixty years ago, when Moses was alive and Helen of Troy was a few decades away from birth, a Brahmin King abducted a Jain Nun(an Indian religion), a scythian(Saka) king (Pali name – Dimitt, probably named demeter or Demetrues) from very very far off land had to invade and free her. Thereafter scythians settled in India. Unable to merge into Indian society, they became untouchables (most menial ). All other invading Aryan tribes, Assyrian, Hun, Greek(Ionian), abisare, Parthian and probably some Amorites too became untouchables once their power waned off, but the untouchable group in most menial positions is of scythian origin and genetic and some cultural elements can still be observed. Ironically Aryans became untouchables in the country in which they originated in a remote past.

Couldn’t it really be that when you increase the level of education amongst Indians, they simply perform far better than they do otherwise?

It seems silly to compare groups like Brahmins with those at the lower rungs of Indian society; for the former have a far longer history of being literate compared with the latter [newly-rising groups]. This is surely compounded by social dimensions whereby negative discrimination to “moving up the ladder” made it difficult for people from extreme poverty to match the prolific success of the upper-castes.

A better study would analyse the backgrounds of children from poorer sub-sections of Indian society, whose parents have immigrated to more developed Western nations, and see how much they have _improved in terms of educational structure/IQ_. That would tell us more about the _potential_ IQ [or educational achievement].

It’s like comparing a rural Congolese with a Swiss from a family of surgeons. Or even their children. We would have to put them in equal circumstances and wait for a few generations to see if the Congolese children could catch up [tracking how rapidly they are _improving_ at all times]. That is a better test.

Not quite: a large chunk are Jatt Sikhs (i.e. agricultural laborers), Ismailis, and Hindu Bengalis, plus Indian immigrants from E. Africa.

A vanishingly small portion of Indians in the UK are of Ismaili or Hindu Bengali extraction.

The overwhelming majority of Indian immigrants in the UK are of Punjabi & Gujarati ethnicity.

Also, while Bihar is an economically “backward” state, schoolchildren there perform better than many economically progressive states [e.g. Tamil Nadu]:

♣ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/Bihar-kids-fare-better-than-their-ilk-elsewhere/articleshow/1727167.cms?referral=PM

I found a very interesting article which co-relates stress and malnuturition to intelligence or there lack of…

http://www.businessinsider.com/poverty-effect-on-intelligence-2013-8

Makes sense, no? – The brain is too busy trying to survive and doesn’t have enough reserves for designig an airplane. Generations of insecurity translates into physical alteration (epigenetics: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/inheritance/) of one’s DNA and before you realize you have an entire population exhibiting that trait. The good news is that it is reversable but make take a few of generations.

While I am at it, Greece and Romans have a rich history. We all grew up reading stories of their kings conquiering every piece of land they had their sight on…well almost. Their contributions to science, medicine, engineering, philosophy have been the back bone of our progress yet they face a dire financial crisis today and at a verge of collapse. Wonder what happened there.

Again, we should stop looking at the world in fragments. We would be much happier and perhaps make a happier society.

Interesting discussion until Mr. Khan decided to chime in with his India bashing idealogies, and equally foolish guy who thought was giving Mr Khan a befitting reply. Mr egp felt left out and decided to join the little verbal war with his two cents, literally, appearing slightly more intelligent than a baboon.

Every country has a fare share of so called “elites”, and the “rest”. There are people who like to invent, people who like to lead the inventors, people who like to follow, the creative types, yada yada yada. You will find these categories in every country irrespective of their religion or ethnicities. No one is better than the other. I have seen the east and the west and have spent considerable amount of time in both the places so trust me when I write this: In general people are idiots driven by nothing more than their primal instincts, even the so called “calm and rational thinkers”. We have reached a point in time where unless we find cleaner and abundant resource to sustain, we will all be drowning in our piss and shit along with our “superior intelligence”. Work together and we can all be happy….sure then we can continue with pissing contest. Intelligence and compassion go hand in hand. Intelligence without compassion is hollow and a burden on the society and man-kind, polluting and consuming eveything in sight under pretext of progress.

And as far as the IQ goes, Einstein once said “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”, unless of course y’all think was an idiot. Give people a chance to show their real talent and with our combined efforts we can uplift the man-kind.

Alright, I am now ready to be plastered by your ignorance. Go ahead, insult me!

The Tamil Brahmins are only 2 million in numbers but have won more Nobel prizes in Physics and Chemistry than China, even though Chinese infrastructure is better than Indian infrastructure, your a fool, some brains are more compatible for esoteric thought, some are compatible for mechanical purposes, some are artistic and creative, while some have a combination of both. The Chinese in the past used bamboo for natural gas reserves, while Indians started the concept of zero, which points to more esoteric mindsets, the Mayan calender to even today is considered to be just as accurate as a computer generated calendar. An Indian American child just last year won a Scholastic Science Olympiad competition by figuring out a way to charge cell phones in 20 seconds, companies like Google are trying to hire the kid at this very moment. The USB, PGB, and PCI Express, were developed by computer architect Ajay Bhatt, who also innovated in the fields of Platform Power Management, and also help with various chip improvements and had 32 patents has an esoteric mindset too. The Agni 6 missile is the first intercontinental missile to have an extra 20% distance with the same amount of fuel, if launched from India, every country that falls through the Middle East to the state of California is in its range, and the other scientist around the world are still trying to figure out why. The Chinese and Japanese are far from copycats too, you whites are just jealous that they have surpassed you, so you started some notion that they have less creativity. If you ever seen Japanese anime and Manga, and the philosophies of Confucisionism, you would know how much bs your talking . Europeans can’t take the fact that their civilizations survive through means of war, they can’t maintain and innovate, the Roman Empire was the closest at 1,200 years, every other European civilization falls within 100 -400 years, while the Chinese have had civilizations for 5,000 years and the Indians have had 20% of the world’s GDP during the Mauryan Empire, the rise of China and India isn’t new, its just how the world was structured ever since the ancient days, they’re just coming back again, Europeans have just been a fluke for the last 400 years because of their already worn out industrial revolution, which doesn’t even have any significant leverage nowadays, with already stuff like smart cities being in designed in India, go look up GIFT City on Google. Wake up white boy its the 21st century, your invention of mayonnaise is worn out and people have already been searching for more Helium 3 in space for interstellar space travel in other countries. Your arrogance will just leave you in the dust or conquered sooner or later, America is already starting to look more like Detroit, the British Empire nowadays is considered a laughing stock to China and India, with just a couple of ballistic missile finishing that landmass in a second.

Most of the indians who got an iq of 112 in the united states are not brahmins but belong to other upper castes too. Only a few of them are brahmins.

And except brahmins and vysyas, all upper castes in both north and south eat meat. But the lowest castes in north and south are very malnourished even though they eat meat,,,because meat is very expensive in india.