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Microsoft Announces Surface Pro X a tablet with a "Microsoft SQ1 ARM processor and 2 Teraflops of Graphics Performance"
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Is 2TFLOPs in fp16 or fp32. If it runs on 7 watts, that's insane. I can't believe it at 2 TFLOPs tbqh
Again we will see what happens. If there is anything we know about Nintendo is there is no certainty in anything.
Is Nvidia going mobile with Turing? Perhaps switch 2 can be based off Turing architecture considering they haven't made anything past Parker yet. Seems like a natural evolution.. or maybe they'll go cheap and do a 7 and 5nm die shrink of tx1 but better CPU and Ram
I wouldn't think so. The "new" Switch/Switch light chip revision "Mariko" wouldn't have been done if that were the case, and nVidia probably wouldn't have bothered R&D'ing a simple die-shrink either.
Honestly who knows. We will see what happens with switch 2. Only hope for the best.
I’m not sure why you think that, but that redesign and smaller die size was not made for Nintendo’s sake. The die shrink was already used in the X2. Mariko is basically an X2 chip without the memory upgrades and cuda cores.
It doesn't, official spec lists 15W boost, assuming that includes gpu and there isn't an even higher short duration boost tdp like Intel likes to do.
You both seemed to miss my point. Win32 is an API (also used on 64-bit). See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_API. I make browsers for a living and they can also be 32-bit, btw.
I didn’t miss your point, I was just saying browsers can be 64-bit. Know they have to keep supporting 32-bit for the time being because of reasons.
Seems like fantastic performance on a 7W power draw but I'm not really knowledgeable about these things.
Nintendo nor Nvidia will want to stay on the Maxwell architecture in 2-3 years time. When something like Turing has far better performance per watt at the same node. Not only that, there are also new stuff that will boost performance on games while lowering bandwidth.
only reason is if Nintendo is really stingy and wants to stay on the same architecture for 10 years
Most likely it's an enhancement of the Qualcomm 8cx. It has an embiggened GPU (8cx has the Adreno 680, this one has the 685) and a 4+4 Kryo 495 where the big cores can reliably hit 3 GHz. It likely carries over the ~70 GB/s octa-channel (8x16-bit) LPDDR4X from the 8cx.
That makes sense, although I expect the 685 to just be upclocked over a 680 rather than a bigger die. 8x16-bit sort of makes sense since it's using 16b Hynix chips in the press art. I just didn't see room for 8 of them although 8x16b on 3733MT/sec is 59.6GB/sec not 70.
Apple was quoting Xbox One S performance out of the A12X so it's probably in the ballpark of the same 1.4 TFLOPs.
It uses 2133 MHz LPDDR4X, not 1866.
Snapdragon 8cx Compute Platform | Qualcomm
Get extreme performance, extreme battery life, and extreme connectivity without compromise with the next-generation Snapdragon 8cx Compute Platform—the first PC platform on a 7nm chipset that brings premium smartphone experiences to Always On, Always Connected Windows 10 PCs.
www.qualcomm.com
It supports Win32 (the API) though. This isn't Windows RT
I'm not really sure if I'm interpreting your point correctly, but re-reading your posts, I think your complaint is that you think you can't run ordinary Win32 / non-UWP apps on this tablet.
But that's not the case. Windows on ARM is fully capable of running nearly all 32-bit Win32 apps automatically, through emulation. The emulation gets better automatically as programs get analyzed in real-time by the emulator, and those optimized emulator profiles get automatically saved for use the next time you run them so that Win32 apps get faster over time over emulation.
The Windows team has also built tools to make it fairly easy for developers to recompile (some) Win32 apps into ARM, so that emulation isn't necessary.
On Browsers specifically, Chrome and Firefox work pretty well through emulation already, and Google and Microsoft are working together to get Chrome natively compiled for ARM. This is in addition to the new version of Edge that Microsoft is working on, which is based on Chromium.
The 8cx might but the Surface Pro X specs has this listed for memory:It uses 2133 MHz LPDDR4X, not 1866.
Snapdragon 8cx Compute Platform | Qualcomm
Get extreme performance, extreme battery life, and extreme connectivity without compromise with the next-generation Snapdragon 8cx Compute Platform—the first PC platform on a 7nm chipset that brings premium smartphone experiences to Always On, Always Connected Windows 10 PCs.
8GB or 16GB LPDDR4x RAM at 3733Mbps
That's odd. Why would they go with the lower-performance version when there's already an SoC with better-specced memory available.
Hmm, that would rely on Nvidia who deals with the CPU and GPU of the Switch & my guess is if and when they make a mobile chipset with that performance than I can see the Switch use something like this in the future.
They were supposed to transition to arm this past summer. I wonder what is holding them up.
Oh OK thanks.. That could be my next phone as much as I use office. Plus I love android.
I use Office suite on my galaxy anyway but I imagine MS will make it more robust.
This sounds very interesting, ive gotta look this up.
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I don’t think I note expandable memory, so you're looking at a big outlay for 256 -> 512GB storage.
Hi SpartyCrunch,
that sounds great. Is it true that the emulator is not able to run 64-bit (i.e. x64) Windows applications, like someone else claimed?
Is the power button and volume rocker seriously on opposite sides of the device?
...why?
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The device is fanless and has a 7W power budget. All the dissipation is through the skin. If they want to be able to drive the big core(s) up to 3GHz they're going to have to give up something else. Memory bandwidth seems like a relatively small hit. I'd really like to ask the SQ1 guys that same question.
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At the same time if you're going to tout graphics performance having a large amount of high speed memory is an absolute must. Just as an example upgrading to higher speed ram on just about any integrated GPU can make a massive difference in the graphics performance.
Mariko's not an X2 and R&D was certainly driven to meet Nintendo's needs (and undoubtedly paid for by them). Just because Pascal resembles a die-shrunk Maxwell doesn't mean Mariko was a ready off the shelf product.
Switch has become such a large market for Tegra that it's going to influence Nvidia's future direction for the line. X1/2 seemed like the end for their mobile first efforts and a shift to automotive but it definitely won't be now.
Only if you want to win benchmarks and not if you want a nice bullet point on the marketing copy.
I’m not sure. I don’t think 64-bit apps can be emulated but that could have changed more recently.
I don’t think 64-bit apps will be an issue. It would be suicide for MS to release a flagship device that is only limited to 32-bit applications.
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The x86 on ARM emulation is provided by xtajit.dll using the WOW64 implementation. There's no provision for 64-bit on 64-bit because...
a) Pre-ARM64, what use would you have for 64-bit on 64-bit? Just use the native runtime.
b) WOW64 predates ARM64.
c) You can just recompile for the new arch and things should (mostly) work.