×
top 200 commentsshow 500

[–]CoreNerd 831 points832 points  (28 children)

This is the best thread of the year, so far as I'm concerned. You just took years of burning hatred and in the span of 20 minutes shifted it all into burning brilliance.

Thank you.

Ps- 2 am, and watching Phantom now. DDB enters room full of droids and WAVES HIS ARM declaring "Oyo, boyos", while the droids simultaneously hum into life and rotate their heads to him.

I feel inspired.

[–]originalginger213 13.3k points13.3k points  (400 children)

So the title of Phantom Menace refers to Jar Jar then? He was the real menace all along?

I can get behind this.

[–][deleted] 5790 points5791 points  (272 children)

Shit, I'm starting to believe.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 6227 points6228 points  (258 children)

Yeah, Palpatine was never a "Phantom" from the audience's perspective. We all knew who the eventual Emperor was- they didn't even really bother to mask his hologram face.

Jar Jar was the intended villain that was to be "unmasked" and shock everyone, the requisite middle chapter "I am your father" calibre reveal moment.

Sadly, it didn't come to fruition. Not until this December, anyway.

(12/22/15) EDIT for visibility:

Some of the gifs in the original post that are supposed to be slow motion no longer are when opened in a new window (gfycat has since changed how their links work). You can still slow down those gifs, however, using the up and down arrow keys on your keyboard.

Like most things on reddit, though, this entire post is better viewed using RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite), where everything looks as intended.

[–]SoulLessGinger992 1244 points1245 points  (79 children)

Holy crap, I remember on the Plinkett Review for TPM, one of the things he ranted about was how stupid the title is. What is "The Phantom Menace" that's lurking in the background the whole time? It's not Maul, it's not Palpatine, it's sure as shit not the Trade Federation, so then what was the title alluding to? This would make so much sense.

[–]nuke_dad 1383 points1384 points  (45 children)

Right at the beginning of TPM, It's been right there all along:

Obi-Wan Kenobi:" I have a bad feeling about this."

Qui-Gon Jinn:" I don't sense anything."

Obi-Wan Kenobi: "It's not about the mission, Master. It's something...elsewhere, elusive."

Jar Jar

[–][deleted] 171 points172 points  (9 children)

Just posting this for visibility, the theory as posted by Brian Donohue half a year ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rL4w1yKQe8

[–]tfburns 1023 points1024 points  (60 children)

Except, at Qui-Gon's funeral, Yoda and Windu have this exchange and the film cuts Palpatine.

Nevertheless, who is standing just out of frame, in front of Palpatine in this shot, and right next to the new chancellor?? None other than SUPREME LEADER SNOKE!

Coincidence?

edit: and next in line after Jar Jar? R2D2!!!

[–][deleted] 1540 points1541 points  (24 children)

Holy fuck.

[–]TheRealHeathBar 849 points850 points  (20 children)

Robot Chicken figured it out. Jar Jar Dark Lord

[–]AmberDuke05 234 points235 points  (14 children)

George Lucas co-wrote this btw.

[–]americanpegasus 77 points78 points  (5 children)

The most incredible, and potential spoiler-rific comment train on Reddit. Amazing.

[–]IAmTheZeke 584 points585 points  (19 children)

my mind is so freaking blown

[–]speedyskier22 2413 points2414 points  (41 children)

[Theory] /u/Lumpawarroo was hired by disney to test this plot twist on the fans on the starwars subreddit. They knew that everyone hated jar jar, but they wanted to see the reaction if they were to include the big reveal in the movie. So far the reaction has been positive to this plot twist, so get hype!

[–]Monsterpiece42 175 points176 points  (1 child)

Disney, if you're reading this, its a resounding "Yes!" from me, and the 10 or so people I've shared this with over the last day or so.

[–]RequiMog 586 points587 points  (14 children)

Some interesting evidence just popped up on one of my feeds. I don't know if anybody else posted it here, but. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUOwsRv6MLc

Look at the lip sync.

Look at it.

[–]nfl18 1696 points1697 points  (84 children)

I actually just finished reading the novel version of TPM today. I honestly had never given much thought to Dooku's character or the possibility that he was a hasty addition to the franchise. But I noticed a fairly big error in TPM. It referred to Yoda as Qui-Gon's former master, not specifically in name but it did say that Qui-Gon's master had spent 900 years in the order. Only one character fits that description.

Suddenly, in AotC, Dooku was Yoda's former apprentice and Qui-Gon's former master.

[–]ass_kicker32 990 points991 points  (32 children)

Very interesting point. It does lend credibility to the "Dooku was pasted in" theory.

[–]pink_ego_box 250 points251 points  (2 children)

Yoda trains the younglings, hence why Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan (in Ep. V) say he has been their master.

[–]Jimmni 3092 points3093 points  (71 children)

I like this theory. It always fits with a part of TPM that always felt odd to me. When Jar Jar arrives in the underwater kingdom thing, they take him seriously. They point spears at him, and don't act like he's just a bumbling idiot. They seem more worried about him than the two Jedi he's with. Contrast this with the absolute conviction of the federation dudes that the Jedi are a huge potential threat. It is clear soon after that they recognise them as Jedi, so they're not acting from ignorance.

Not long after, when they're on the way to the planet's core, Qui-gon asks Jar Jar why he was banished, and Jar Jar acts very shiftily, saying it was because he was "clumsy" and yes, "you could say that". He does, though, acknowledge this was "a small part of it", while being extremely evasive. The Jedi seem skeptical, but presumably don't think too much more about it. Jar Jar then describes causing great damage.

They are then attacked by a big fish, who is then eaten by another, bigger fish. Qui-gon comments that "There's always a bigger fish."

This "introduction to Jar Jar" struck me as very strange. It never occurred to me that he might be the big villain of your theory, but damn, it really fits. We're introduced to Jar Jar as feared, dishonest, and with reference to a "bigger fish".

It also seems strange that they have this guardian angel of a giant fish.

[–][deleted] 1110 points1111 points  (13 children)

The bigger fish symbolism! That's absolutely mind bending!

[–]Flexappeal 159 points160 points  (2 children)

If this whole thing is true that would be unequivocally my favorite bit of foreshadowing in writing ever.

[–]DarthWalser 467 points468 points  (13 children)

Wow, that part with the spears in the underwater kingdom, OP didn't even talk about this. But this right here is actually convincing me big time, as it shows the perception of Jar Jar within his people... they obviously know he's fucked up. Nobody points spears at you because you stumble around.

[–]Xerobull 545 points546 points  (3 children)

Foreshadowing that Jar Jar is the bigger fish...

[–]5k1895 2164 points2165 points  (69 children)

Part of me really wants this to be true. It would be pretty risky, to the point where fans may actually walk out of the theater because of their past experiences with the character, but on the other hand it would be a great way to redeem his character.

I just can't believe you actually managed to make this make sense. Good job. Saving this post in case you're right.

[–]Guyote_Chopper (C1-10P) 1437 points1438 points  (36 children)

I would be so fucking in shock. I wouldn't be able to speak for months. It would be the greatest long con in cinematic history.

[–]Euphenomenal 170 points171 points  (3 children)

It would be the new "No, I am your father" and I'm completely OK with that.

[–]Maximus8910 2431 points2432 points  (124 children)

Here's what I think happened: I think that Jar Jar was initially intended to be the prequel (and Dark Side) equivalent of Yoda. Just as Yoda has his "big reveal" when we learn that his tottering, geriatric goofball persona is just a mask, Jar Jar was intended to have a big reveal in Episode II or III where we learn that he's not really a naive dope, but rather a master puppeteer Sith in league with (or perhaps in charge of) Palpatine.

However, GL chickened out. The fan reaction to Jar Jar was so vitriolic that this aspect of the trilogy was abandoned. Just too risky... if Jar Jar is truly that off-putting, it's potentially ruinous to the Star Wars legacy to imply that he's the ultimate bad guy of the entire saga. So pretend he was just a failed attempt at comic relief instead.

On the off chance you're right about this, what a damned shame that Lucas chickened out. Jar Jar being revealed as Evil Yoda in the second movie would've retroactively redeemed so much of TPM... Honestly, even if you're not right, you've written a much better version of the prequels than what we got.

[–]Wampasully 249 points250 points  (4 children)

Even going by their character designs, they kind of look like opposites of each other.

Yoda is short, stubby, has ears that point up, and is green.

Jar-Jar is tall, lanky, has ears that fall down and is red, a color that strongly contrasts with green.

If I were look for an opposite equivalent of Yoda, Jar-Jar would easily look the part.

[–]asacoffee 461 points462 points  (61 children)

I mean look at how people hate Jar Jar Binks, sometimes blindly. There is a whole thread on ask reddit that asks "Who is the worst character?" and all the answers are JJBinks. The outlash made him rewrite the character most likely.

[–]Andernerd 822 points823 points  (28 children)

[–]the9trances 195 points196 points  (0 children)

I know I'm like a month late, but elsewhere in that AMA... that voice actor says something quite relevant:

How does it feel to have played one of the most unintentionally hated characters in movie history?

I like the fact that you said unintentional.

He sounds amused, like, "oh yeah, totally unintentional that he was hated."

[–]chzrm3 268 points269 points  (40 children)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as I read it. Having Binks fight Yoda would've been wild, and that reveal would've been really interesting.

However, Jar Jar was so disastrously mishandled already that they probably would've fumbled that, too. And it's not hard to imagine Binks vs Yoda marking the beginning of the end of anyone caring about what's going on in Star Wars if it's done in a really stupid way.

Still, I do remember that notorious Lucas quote, "Jar Jar is the key to everything"...

[–]BoxWI 75 points76 points  (1 child)

Yeah I can just imagine the chatter. "Can we really risk the entire franchise on a Yoda vs Jar-Jar lightsaber duel? People will say it's the dumbest moment in Star Wars history. Can we do something different?"

[–][deleted] 6424 points6425 points  (71 children)

I honestly think you're the one who is the evil Sith manupulator, trying to get us to rewatch the prequels just to focus on Jar Jar.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 4261 points4262 points  (65 children)

Well stay tuned, I'm working now to isolate the audio tracks so during the rewatch you aren't distracted, and only hear Jar Jar.

[–]rootoftruth 1644 points1645 points  (45 children)

Please. This is amazing.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 5599 points5600 points 2 (44 children)

Did you just beg me to alter the prequels to feature only Jar Jar Binks?

I think my work here is done.

[–]rootoftruth 1975 points1976 points  (19 children)

Oh... my god. What am I saying? You are a monster.

[–]ReservoirGods 1254 points1255 points  (14 children)

That's Jedi mind control if I've ever seen it, look at the way he moved his hands in that gif

[–]fsjja1 1676 points1677 points  (6 children)

That's my idea of hell.

[–]tremor293 411 points412 points  (4 children)

Qui-Gon: "There's always a bigger fish"

[–]30mag 80 points81 points  (2 children)

You think maybe he knew about Jar Jar? That could be why he didn't want Obi-Wan looking into the future at the beginning. Qui-Gon didn't trust Obi-Wan with the knowledge that Jar Jar was a Sith agent, because Obi-Wan might have revealed that they knew to Jar Jar.

"Keep your friends close and enemies closer."

[–]skadoosh0019 2955 points2956 points  (84 children)

Just to add a bit to the theory: Lucas almost always draws on other sources (like any good storyteller) to form his world. So can we find inspiration for the character of Jar Jar Binks in the way that you describe? Absolutely.

1) This has already been mentioned by several others, but if Jar Jar is simply playing the fool as a means to the insidious ends of bringing about the fall of the Republic, destroying the Order of the Jedi, and establishing a galactic empire, then his character would almost mirror that of The Mule from Isaac Asimov's foundation. Powerful telepathic mutant who played the fool but mind controlled and manipulated others to get his way, worked mostly in the background and through politics, and managed to bring about the destruction of the complacent First Foundation on Terminus and establish an empire spanning a third of the galaxy. The correlations are painfully obvious if Jar Jar is, in fact, maliciously manipulative.

2) The name could perhaps provide some clue. Lucas is often not particularly subtle with his naming choices while still not making them seem unnatural. Skywalker, Solo, Darth Vader, etc. So can the very name Jar Jar Binks help solidify this theory?

Let's take them in order. Jar can mean a number of things. From Merriam-Webster.com, "to have a harsh or unpleasant effect on someone or something", "to hit or shake something forcefully", "to make someone feel uneasy". A couple of secondary meanings given are "an unsettling shock", "an unpleasant break or conflict in rhythm, flow, or transition".

Now for Binks. My best guess is that Lucas was drawing on another already existing source as his inspiration for Binks. The popular fantasy world of Xanth, created by Piers Anthony and with its first book published in 1977. The main character of the first two books and a recurring character through other books in the series is...Bink. Copy/Pasted from Wikipedia, here is Bink's description.

Bink is the Magician of Magical Invulnerability and the main character in the first two novels of the Xanth series, A Spell for Chameleon and The Source of Magic. He is the son of Roland of the High Council and Bianca. He serves as king pro-tem during Trent's reign.

Bink is banished for not possessing a magic talent when, in fact, he does possess magical ability. Bink's magic does not want to be known because, if it were, those of non-magical means would injure Bink and his family, with the magic being indirectly responsible. Hence, in order to keep itself hidden, Bink's magic works in quiet ways, by seeming coincidence, and very few people know of it. For example, it causes an invisible giant to walk by just as Bink was to reveal his magic whilst under a truth spell. Furthermore, Bink's magic protects him, making him seem an unusually lucky man.

So, Jar Jar Binks. With the above information, his name seems like it could actually help inform what George wanted from the character. And based on this information, if Bink is in fact the source for Jar Jar Binks' last name, then it implies a hidden magic user who appears to be just ridiculously lucky but is in fact just keeping his true nature on the down low. And the two Jars are perhaps to tell us that he will cause a dual jarring: one in the Star Wars universe when he destroys the Jedi Order and dismantles the Republic, the other in the movie audience when his true nature is finally revealed.

EDIT: Thanks for my first gold!

[–]TheMcCannic 353 points354 points  (16 children)

Great fact finding, I'd like to just emphasise something from your post. "Bink is the Magician of Magical Invulnerability" And Palpatines master had learned how to evade Death? Might be something there...

[–]HeyKidsFreeCandy 866 points867 points  (3 children)

Bink's magic protects him, making him seem an unusually lucky man.

....oh my god. This needs to be higher up. It's all coming together....

[–]IRushPeople 4608 points4609 points  (96 children)

I almost wasn't convinced about the force jump on the ledge ambush, the the Droid that fires at his previous location sealed the deal for me.

Jar Jar is an evil Sith overlord.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 3212 points3213 points  (53 children)

Yeah. You can almost see the befuddled look on the droid's face as its head whips to the new Jar Jar location:

"WTF did that gungan just do??"

[–]IRushPeople 1367 points1368 points  (20 children)

You've got a great eye for this kind of thing.

Any other crazy theories you haven't shared with the rest of us?

[–]Guyote_Chopper (C1-10P) 960 points961 points  (12 children)

Exactly. At first, I was like "Haha, good theory. Cute and funny."

And then that scene with the droid...

Mother of god....

[–]wordofgreen 2027 points2028 points  (88 children)

Thank you for posting this, it's the most enjoyable thing I've read online in months.

I had a few thoughts supporting your theory:

1 - George Lucas did an excellent job of hiding the truth of Vader being Luke's father from people, down to filming the scene one way and then bringing a elect few back to do the scene again. So, if it is as you say and the idea was abandoned partway, it's very plausible the number of people who knew the epic twist would be a scant few.

2- Given the size of Naboo and the fact the droids go only after the Naboo and not the Gungans, it is extremely unlikely Binks would just happen to be at the landing site of any federation ships, much less the ship carrying Qui Gon Gin. He can't sense droids maybe, but I bet Master Qui Gon was a big bright beacon.

3- When Qui Gon sees him, those ships aren't moving fast and all things around are fleeing. Jar Jar makes no attempt to flee, but instead waves his hands and blocks QG's path, then clings to him. Afterward, he follows QG, pledges to be his servant and when told "that won't be necessary" replies "oh, but it is, it's demanded by the gods it is."

4- His whole initial dialogue with the two jedi focuses on two points, A, that QG has saved him once, then again, and he owes him and must be his servant. B, the safest place is Gungan City, but Jar Jar will be in great danger and trouble if they go, setting himself up to go with them when they leave.

5- during the dialogue with Boss Nass, they cut to Jar Jar as Nass is talking, and Jar Jar gesticulates in his handcuffs, perhaps steering nass with the force.

6- QG "overdoes it" when he uses the force to calm Jar Jar when the third fish shows up. This conveniently gives Jar Jar an excuse to close his eyes and focus on taking control of the nearest bigger fish to come rescue all three of them. He wakes up and clears his head, dramatically shaking it off the very moment the fish 4 takes its first bite of fish 3 and the dnager to them has passed.

7 - Honestly, I half suspected you'd somehow tweaked or altered the balcony scene as part of an elaborate hoax, but having just watched it twice Jar Jar is just as stealthy, then suddenly becomes a clutz in time to present a target and then jump away and land on the opposite side, complete with droid firing high then snapping its head to Jar Jar's position.

8 - On the way up the ramp to the ship during the escape scene, just prior to your hyperdrive sabotage theory moment, Jar Jar gestures, and then is the second person up the ramp following Amidala/her double, with her honor guard in tow. There is now way an un-jedi influenced personal queen's guard is going to let a Gungan they just met, a race that hates Naboo, be between them and their queen, right?

9- The first thing Jar Jar says on Tattooine is, this sun is doing murder to meesa skin. He's aquatic. Why the hell is he going with QG and R2 to the city to find parts? QG seems appalled at the idea of taking Padme, so why is he cool with taking the clumsy/bumbling Jar Jar? Perhaps because Jar Jar contrived to be there.

10 - When Padme is at her most uncertain, it's Jar Jar's mention of the Gungan's grand army that gives her the push to go back to Naboo, and coincidently make Jar Jar critical to her plan, as he is the only Gungan she knows.

[–]bigosmallo 1121 points1122 points  (45 children)

9- The first thing Jar Jar says on Tattooine is, this sun is doing murder to meesa skin. He's aquatic. Why the hell is he going with QG and R2 to the city to find parts? QG seems appalled at the idea of taking Padme, so why is he cool with taking the clumsy/bumbling Jar Jar? Perhaps because Jar Jar contrived to be there.

That's it. I'm done. Convinced. How the hell did this take 16 years for someone to notice?!

[–][deleted] 1464 points1465 points  (23 children)

In the months leading up to the release of TPM, everybody on some SW IRC channel expected the prequel to have some kind of big reveal of the magnitude of "I am your father" (and which we never got). Some guy suggested that Jar Jar may in fact be the real "Phantom Menace" and I distinctly remember being scolded by a veteran user for suggesting this wasn't an entirely stupid idea. I was humiliated and I have felt dumb since.

I now feel avenged.

[–]djtork9 375 points376 points  (8 children)

So after reading this about 100 times i decided to turn the movie on and check it out for myself and noticed something that i havent seen anyone mention. In the scene where Jar Jar says "the queen is being nice" "Pitty hot", no one mentions the fact that Padme (who has been the only one talking with Jar Jar and Anakin) was dressed as a handmaiden the whole time. How does Jar Jar know shes the queen?? Also when she reveals herself to the gungans, Jar Jar isnt as shocked as everyone else, even though through out the movie when he gets shocked even a little bit he faints or freaks out.

[–]powd3rusmc 1064 points1065 points  (28 children)

JFK level shit here.. Dont forget him impersonating a Jedi in the clone wars.

[–]WreckyHumanFirst Order 109 points110 points  (12 children)

And don't forget how this whole theory can also be applied to Clone Wars. I'm going to rewatch them now also and search for Darth Jar Jar.

[–]FrogManJoness 1015 points1016 points  (80 children)

When he says, "Meesa called Jar Jar Binks" he's not saying, "My name is Jar Jar Binks" just saying that that's what people call him.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 1324 points1325 points  (73 children)

Wow, good catch.

You can almost picture a scene Episode VIII:

Kylo Ren enters the main bridge of the ancient starship warily, his lightsaber at the ready, and calls out to the shadows:

"I have come to seek the most important familial relic of all, the Japor Snippet. It is said that a creature called 'Jar Jar Binks' stole it from my grandmothers funeral bier..."

A tall, hooded figure emerges from the shadows, large, glowing yellow eyes shining from the depths of its cowl:

"Dassa name me not be hearin' in a long ole time. Long ole time."

[–]buffalorocks 913 points914 points  (59 children)

It's interesting to me that everyone thinks he would still talk like an infant after the big reveal. I prefer a sinister, soft-spoken but articulate Jar Jar. That would be way more stirring.

[–]VonAether 634 points635 points  (20 children)

Right. If you pay attention in Empire, a lot of Yoda's weird sentence construction drops when he outs himself as a Jedi. It makes sense that the same would happen with Jar Jar.

[–][deleted] 3323 points3324 points  (89 children)

This is an entertaining read, but if it turns out to be true this thread will become legendary.

[–]WreckyHumanFirst Order 1367 points1368 points  (55 children)

And OP will be a legend.

[–]Jertob 1663 points1664 points  (46 children)

And OP is revealed to be George Lucas's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

[–][deleted] 331 points332 points  (21 children)

what does that make them?

[–]M-Thing 628 points629 points  (14 children)

Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become.

[–][deleted] 2691 points2692 points  (92 children)

Holy fuck!

To lend credence to this theory here is the voice actor of jar jar binks making a comment to the effect of George changed some of the story because of the backlash. Just HOLY SHIT

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 2768 points2769 points  (58 children)

Yeah, "huge changes."

Imagine for a moment that Yoda did not reveal himself as the ultimate Jedi master until Return of the Jedi. That Yoda spent all of Empire Strikes Back wobbling along behind Luke like a pet, going "Hee hee, ho ho, whooooa, can I get another yum yum snack bar, yesss?"

Instead of beloved, he'd have been reviled. "How dare Lucas ruin Star Wars with a muppet, for chrissakes???" and the whole triolgy is ruined.

His tragic mistake this time around was letting the "silly facade" of Mystical Alien Character percolate between episodes, and not having the courage to follow through in the face of intense (but misplaced) criticism.

[–]smacksaw 844 points845 points  (20 children)

I wanna jump in somewhere that's similar to what you're saying - I had a similar thought to yours, but nowhere near as detailed or realised.

The sticking point I had was when Yoda got all crazy jumping around.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

I literally said aloud "What's next, Jar Jar is going to be a Sith Lord?"

Because it would make sense. It would be George's trope.

[–]PhantomJB93 1171 points1172 points  (23 children)

The entire world is going to collectively shit its pants on December 17 when TFA's "I am your father" moment at the end of the film is Snoke lowering his hood to reveal himself as Sith mastermind Jar Jar Binks.

[–]zeph384 432 points433 points  (6 children)

That would break his manipulative nature. Jar Jar would have to be controlling Snoke. The "I am your father" reveal would have to be an understanding that Snoke is just a mindless puppet without Jar Jar.

[–]Problematique_Clone Trooper 3536 points3537 points  (164 children)

The ultimate long con. Lucas planned it all along. He endured all the criticism. But when he was looking to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, he told them of the plan...and it all came together. Episode VII was announced immediately. Now soon the name Jar Jar Binks will fill the hearts of millions with fear and despair.

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 2282 points2283 points  (142 children)

the craziest thing to think of all of this is, "what if this is right?"

[–]Problematique_Clone Trooper 2781 points2782 points  (134 children)

JJ Abrams is sitting in his study right now twitching angrily, deciding who to call first concerning the leak.

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 1732 points1733 points  (52 children)

"George, part of your fucking deal was to NOT. SAY. ANYTHING!!!"

[–]Problematique_Clone Trooper 1421 points1422 points  (43 children)

"But....Jar Jar is the key to all of this...."

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 1068 points1069 points  (31 children)

"SOMEONE FOUND OUT GEORGE! I DONT KNOW WHO YOU TOLD BUT... STOP IT. STOP IT WITH THE WHOLE but jar jar is the key derpderpderp ITS NOT FUCKING FUNNY GEORGE!"

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 1374 points1375 points  (61 children)

Well technically it's not in violation of the NDA unless we claim definitive insider knowledge. "Theorizing" anonymously is a gray area but probably not actionable anyway I've said too much

[–]JustMy2Centences 652 points653 points  (7 children)

Omg.

JJ = Jar Jar.

Jar Jar Abinks.

Edit: or, JJ's A Binks.

[–]knuckles523 829 points830 points  (5 children)

He is already halfway there. The name Jar Jar Binks fills the hearts of most Start Wars fans with despair. Wait a minute; despair, anger hatred...my god, George Lucas is trying to turn Star Wars fans to the dark side.

[–]LordSyyn 317 points318 points  (2 children)

Yes, let your hatred for JarJar flow through you.
I can feel your anger and fear.
You will come to the dark side.

[–]mike7654 580 points581 points  (1 child)

Deception is a key characteristic of the Sith. Wouldn't put it past him

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 1384 points1385 points  (138 children)

out of curiosity, I don't ever recall this happening, but you've used a lot of actual evidence thus far so I feel I must legitimately question this (sigh): did Jar Jar actually tell 8 yr old Anakin that Padme was "pretty hot"?

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 3267 points3268 points  (127 children)

Yup. In TPM, when they initially land on Coruscant, Jar Jar and Anakin leave the landing pad in a little air speeder with the Queen and her handmaidens. When they sit down in the car, Jar Jar comments on how nice the Queen is being to them. Then he pointedly comments, "Pitty hot!"

To me there's no question that he's literally saying that the queen is "hot," as in attractive. He's not commenting on the weather or anything. It's a completely nonsensical and inappropriate thing to say to a little kid, and is totally weird in the movie....unless you realize what is actually happening (that Jar Jar is a bad guy manipulating an impressionable Annie)

Also note that in Attack of the Clones, when they first meet up again, Anakin is forlorn and tells Jar Jar, "She (Padme) has forgotten me completely."

Jar Jar is very quick to buoy his hopes, though, telling Anakin, "No, no she's happy to see you, happier than I've ever seen her!"

See, Jar Jar has a vested interest in Anakin's continued lust for Padme. Because he and Palpatine have already formulated that as the easiest way to undermine Anakin's loyalty to the Jedi.

There's no telling how much Jar Jar has been deviously encouraging Anakin's infatuation in the formative years between TPM and AotC. And we must assume that he has been-- why else would Anakin immediately start talking to Jar Jar about how the queen has forgotten him? It's because Jar Jar has become his confidant/wing man in the matter.

I wouldn't doubt that it was Jar Jar, also, who eventually plants the Padme-death-by-childbirth nightmares in Anakin's dreams. Master of mind control, after all.

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 1519 points1520 points  (11 children)

youre killin me bro. this is such good shit. now I have to go watch TPM for this scene.

[–]NinetyFish 1972 points1973 points  (9 children)

now I have to go watch TPM

No one's ever said this before! This theory is gold.

[–]prochoicefetus8 1322 points1323 points  (15 children)

I want this to happen so bad now. Robot Chicken even supports this idea. It's all coming together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qAKXK_aLeA

[–][deleted] 699 points700 points  (41 children)

The actor for Jar Jar has just announced this https://mobile.twitter.com/ahmedbest/status/661221044712148993 This... This might be true.

[–]Fandumb 350 points351 points  (19 children)

[–]KingToasty 179 points180 points  (3 children)

My entire life is shattered. I don't know what to believe anymore. I am shaken to my very core.

Jar Jar Binks really, seriously, legitimately could have been the greatest evil in Star Wars. Holy saintly Jesus.

[–][deleted] 232 points233 points  (20 children)

Wouldn't this violate the rule of two?

I think not.

When Palpatine gained power, he instituted The rule of One. He would not actually train new apprentices, only people powerful enough to carry out his will.

But in this instance, Jar-Jar is sith... Leading me to believe that Palpatine instituted his rule to stay in line with the Rule of Two.

[–][deleted] 368 points369 points  (5 children)

What better way to hide your existence than to have a rule which says you can't exist?

[–]Soletrador 230 points231 points  (13 children)

/u/lumpawarroo: User created 13 days ago. 1 karma in links, 15.227 Karma in Comments. Only 2 comments both about Star Wars.

So, is /u/lumpawarroo:

a) George Lucas

b)A Disney excutive

c) A Lord Sith

d) All the others above

e) None the others above

[–]Atario 237 points238 points  (1 child)

You forgot the most obvious possibility:

f) Jar Jar Binks

[–]Baalenlil7 844 points845 points  (10 children)

I hate how convincing you made this.

[–]Whatajabroni 4503 points4504 points  (100 children)

Oh my god, this is actually going to happen. http://imgur.com/tXUcDXo

[–]angry_badger32 1328 points1329 points  (9 children)

Or maybe Darth Darth Binks is Kylo Ren's Master.

[–]Gangstagokeezee 606 points607 points  (58 children)

After reading this conspiracy that would be so bad ass. They gotta change his voice though it's still annoying.

[–]CeruleanRuin 840 points841 points  (4 children)

Naturally they would learn that his real voice sounds more like Gollum...

[–]Noodle36 457 points458 points  (40 children)

I was going to say that if you're going to buy any of this theory I think it's a given that the entire shuck'n'jive accent is a fake... except all the Gungans speak like that. It was a beautiful fantasy for a moment.

[–]bobosuda 728 points729 points  (18 children)

If Jar Jar really is a powerful Sith Lord then I'd say it would be entirely plausible that he actually speaks very differently, and puts on the accent in order to keep up the appearances of just being an ordinary (albeit clumsy) Gungan.

[–]ohdoublegee 665 points666 points  (12 children)

I swear to God.

[–]Throwthea-way 407 points408 points  (11 children)

Highest grossing parody of all time?

[–]DerbySF 219 points220 points  (7 children)

Here's a little thing to help you sleep tonight...

Dutch to English ... Vader = Father Snoke = Pike/Fish (carnivorous fish)

"There's always a bigger fish...." Traveling to the core TPM

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=snoke

[–]captmarx 436 points437 points  (11 children)

"Jar-Jar is key to all of this." -George Lucas in making of featurette.

[–]KingToasty 2834 points2835 points  (202 children)

You put an unhealthy amount of work into this. It's both amazing and disturbing.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 5978 points5979 points  (197 children)

I know. About three hours in I stopped and thought, "What am I doing with my life?"

Then a mysterious voice answered, "Livin' the dream, man. Livin' the dream."

[–]Zoolbarian 187 points188 points  (7 children)

George Lucas has a history with characters turning out to be more then they seem/plot twists:

  • Lando's betrayel, and redemption
  • Leia and Luke being siblings
  • Obi Wan's introduction as a mysterious robed krayt dragon-screeching hobo
  • Yoda being introduced as a drunken muppet
  • Darth Vader being Luke's father
  • The Death Star 2 actually being operational
  • Leia as the thermal detonator bounty hunter at the Hutt palace
  • Han being a scumbag who's in it or the money, but later transformed into a rebel general
  • Obi Wans story about Luke's father.
  • Palpatine, Dooku, both assumed the guise of good guys.

The list goes on and on, George Lucas loves these kinds of plot twist.

After some thought, I also understand why Palapatine and Jar Jar killed Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon hated Jar Jar from the moment he saw him, and was a way more competent Jedi than Obi Wan. He instinctively fought Jar Jar's whole act. He might have been able to prevent the whole Anakin shitstorm, and thus saved the Jedi order.

Darth Maul was a sort of Kamikaze pilot (We all know George Lucas loves himself some japanese culture, and Darth has the whole samurai scary helmet thing this going on). His mission was to kill Qui-Gon, the whole fight was rigged that way. The walkways and energy walls were the perfect way to seperate the two jedi. After killing Qui-Gon, he sacrificed himself. Losing to a disarmed Obi Wan after fighting 2 jedi at the same time and killing the master isn't something I ever thought was very logical.

The fight on Tatooine between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul also hints at this. Darth Mauls droids have had ages to locate them, yet Darth Maul only appears when everyone but Qui-Gon and Anakin are on the ship. He was literally waiting on a cliff nearby, when the droid tells him the target is approaching. He completely ignores Anakin, let's him escape and positions himself between Qui-Gon and the ship.

The sith knew Obi Wan would be granted Anakin, while being way to inexperienced to handle such raw force potential while two sith slowly maniplulated Anakin into being the perfect jedi killing bomb. I mean seriously, Obi Wan was a nice dude, but he was just a dumb warrior. Always just a bit behind the facts, always unpleasantly surprised by the turn of events. Wouldn't you grow resentful of being trained by some doofus who isn't really a jedi master while you're the most powerful dude in the galaxy? It's a really good plan.

[–]rounced 826 points827 points  (32 children)

If this is all true, then George Lucas is a legitimate genius and we are all idiots for our reactions to TPM and Jar Jar.

I can't believe how badly I want this to be true.

[–]FrenchFryApocalypse 173 points174 points  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]Orcaboros 765 points766 points  (23 children)

So... Literally some of the first lines of The Phantom Menace, by Obi-Wan no less, are

"I have a bad feeling about this. ... It's not about the mission master, it's about something...elsewhere. Elusive."

and then, after Qui-Gon tells him to focus on the here-and-now, Obi-Wan says that Yoda has told him to be mindful of the future.

So... looking forward vague foreshadowing of something dark and elusive to be found in the near future, something that Qui-Gon would overlook? Jar Jar, maybe?

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 706 points707 points  (19 children)

Jar Jar is probably already on the ship with them, or on one of the other Trade Federation vessels, tracking their movements. It's how he is right there to literally pounce on Qui-Gon planetside- he follows them down.

At that point in the story, his immediate goals would be:

  1. Somehow insert himself into the Jedi party
  2. Lead them to The Chosen One
  3. Orchestrate events so that Qui-Gon insists on training the boy

Palp/Jar Jar want the Jedi to find and adopt this new Force anomaly (Anakin) so that he can help them destroy the Jedi from within.

[–]CaptainSioulserrot 164 points165 points  (14 children)

Well, Lumpawarroo, I was thinking about something, and if anyone can do this, you can. Here goes: Can you make the Holiday Special good?

Is it even possible? I don't know. But this post has made me review my expectations.

[–]jacob-scott 322 points323 points  (13 children)

Plot twist: OP is officially linked to Star Wars and is preparing fans for the return of their (formally) despised character.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 574 points575 points  (8 children)

We were able to trace Lumparrawoo's IP, despite being rereouted through over a dozen international nodes and proxies, and can definitively report that it leads to a location approximately 60 to 80 feet below ground near the northeaster perimeter of Skywalker Ranch.

We were further able to infiltrate the users system and hijack a laptop webcam, capturing 7.8 seconds of low-res video before our connection was terminated.

User Lumpawaroo seems to be a white male in his early 30s. Though uncommonly handsome, facial recognition software did not return any viable matches.

Of note, however, is a large storage cabinet seen in the background within this presumed bunker, labeled: "Episode IV Reels - Unaltered - DO NOT DESTROY"

[–]Araiguma 390 points391 points  (6 children)

I love your theory as much as i love the fact that you just misspelled your own username twice. In different ways.

[–]MamaXerxes 574 points575 points  (11 children)

This also explains the rest of the gungan peoples reaction when he returns with the jedi.

Jar Jar said he was exiled for an accident (I always assumed collapsing one of their living bubble things?). So we are meant to believe that he is the village idiot, cruelly exiled.

This raises questions - are the gungans such a cruel race that they exile all their mentally disabled? They seem fairly peaceable. Why not imprison Jar Jar? Commit him to a home, where he and others will be safe?

Instead they exile him. Why? I don't think what happened was an "accident" - it sounds like maybe a power grab went wrong, and they knew he was too strong to be killed or contained. So they made a deal. They wouldn't tell anyone what happened if Jar Jar left them in peace.

If he were simply the village idiot, so hated for his stupidity, why were the gungans who saw his return so wary of him? They aren't a particularly polite race - why didn't they tell him to GTFO? Simple. They are afraid of him. They let an exiled gungan re-enter without protest.

A security officer comes over to handle it, and instead of just showing the village idiot the door, what does he do? TAKES HIM TO THE LEADER OF THEIR RACE. What? If he truly was a bumbling dork, that would not happen.

DarthDarth Binks.

[–]ludicrouscuriosity 299 points300 points  (1 child)

Movie is now cancelled, Disney will re-shoot to support this theory

[–]ConspirOC 298 points299 points  (7 children)

God damn it... I think you may have ruined the new movies for me... Because I doubt this will happen and when I walk out of the theatre no matter how good it is a little bit of me will be so disappointed that this didn't happen...

How wonderful if it did though... In my book this is canon now and forever...

Praying for it in The Force Awakens

[–]surfimp 143 points144 points  (3 children)

Irrespective of how things turn out for Jar Jar in the new movies, I for one am convinced, and moreso, I thank you, for I've finally found a way to let the prequels into my heart.

Because I've learned that to love Jar Jar, you must first hate him, hate him more than you ever thought possible. Then your journey to the Dark Side, and love of the prequels, will be complete.

[–]indyK1ng 1891 points1892 points  (132 children)

The subtlety of everything here complements something I realized while watch this fan edit of the prequels: Lucas had a lot of great subtle points he buried under a very thick and lumbering story.

There are two examples that stick out to me from one watchthrough: The Manipulation of Anakin and Obi-Wan and The High Ground.

The Manipulation of Anakin
In the original edit, Palpatine's manipulations when it came to turning Anakin to the dark side were not clear. In fact, my mother's biggest complaint about Episode III was that it took this basically good kid and inexplicably made him evil.

However, when I watched that edit I saw the genius of Palpatine's plan. He knows that the Jedi Council are beginning to distrust him and would like an opportunity to spy on him. He also knows that his friendship with Anakin would make Anakin an ideal candidate. So, he plants a seed of distrust for the Council's motives in Anakin's mind. Then he asks that the Council make Anakin a member. As Anakin says, nobody has ever been on the council and not given the rank of Jedi Master. By not promoting Anakin, they water the seed of distrust Palpatine planted by making Anakin angry at the Council and clouding his judgement. From there, the other seed, that Padme might be made to live, is allowed to take root, but only if Palpatine also survives.

EDIT: Because this wasn't entirely clear, I mean that while Palpatine manipulating Anakin at all was obvious, that him getting Anakin onto the Council was part of the plan was not. I had thought he had just wanted Anakin on the Council to either get someone he's turning into his guy onto the Council or to just get Anakin more power or legitimacy. I did not realize that he wanted the Council to refuse to make Anakin a Jedi Master so that Anakin would grow angry with them and believe what Palpatine had said otherwise.

He also wanted the Council to ask Anakin to spy on him for them. This would play right into the narrative that Palpatine had created for Anakin, that the Council was looking to overthrow the Chancellor, and make Anakin, who is already angry, even more distrustful of their motives. The way it played in the original edit, it felt more like a tug of war for Anakin's soul than Palpatine being a chess player and using the Council's predictable reactions against them. To me at least.

END EDIT

Obi-Wan and The High Ground
Lucas (in)famously said that the trilogies rhyme like poetry. One case which is often overlooked is the rhyming of the duels between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul and between Obi-Wan and Anakin.

When Obi-Wan faced Darth Maul he found himself dangling at Maul's feet. He then utilized a Force Jump and Pull to get behind Maul and defeat him.

In the intervening years he studied this situation and learned of the many defenses one can employ when you're on the high ground. Perhaps he sensed he would need it, or he just got an interest in the theories behind high ground vs. low ground lightsaber dueling. Or maybe he didn't study the situation at all.

Regardless, one day he finds himself on Mustafar dueling Anakin. Only this time, he has the high ground. He sees the reflection of his situation against Maul and recognizes Anakin's next logical move. He warns Anakin not to because he knows how to defend against it. Because it mirrored where it all began for him.

[–][deleted] 1198 points1199 points  (55 children)

Only this time, he has the high ground. He sees the reflection of his situation against Maul and recognizes Anakin's next logical move. He warns Anakin not to because he knows how to defend against it. Because it mirrored where it all began for him.

never considered thinking of it this way. Well-thought out good redditor.

[–]Mizzet 135 points136 points  (29 children)

I still don't know how Obi-Wan pulled off that jump against Darth Maul without getting sliced in half on the way up.

My memory is hazy but I recall thinking it was awfully slow and Maul must have been seriously spacing out or something. And as if that wasn't enough, Maul just stands there while he lands and orients himself, when just awhile ago he was defending himself pretty competently against two people.

[–]intergalactic_wag 192 points193 points  (18 children)

I have the same reaction. I've rationalized it over the years that they slowed it down so the audience could follow. The jump, the light saber jumping into obiwan's hand and darth maul's reaction happen in a fraction of a second. The slice happens in the next fraction. But showing it that fast would have been confusing to the audience so they slowed it down so we could see everything happen.

[–]georgefriend3 276 points277 points  (22 children)

The Obi Wan and the High Ground is a very interesting point and very subtle and well noticed. I still do wonder why Maul just stood, waited and watched as a Jedi jumped over him, grabbed a lightsaber and cut him in half though.

I thought the manipulation of Anakin was all pretty obvious though, mainly achievable due to him being an impatient and impetuous spoilt brat. It's all a bit lightweight and flimsy and doesn't do the character of Darth Vader justice.

I'd kind of imagined something more like, yes the befriending by Palpatine still occurs, and Palpatine feeds him whispers of sith influence on the Galactic Council. The Jedi Council refuse to act and Anakin decides to go it alone and investigate himself, to weed out the Sith threat and earn his place on the Council and as a master. He manages to follow the trail to wherever, and big reveal (to him), Palpatine is Sidious. In a scene mirroring Luke attacking the Emperor in ROTJ, he gives into his hate and attacks (thereby falls to the dark side). He is however bested by Sidious and begs for death, but Sidious takes him captive, tortures him and twists his mind against the Jedi, blaming them for Padme's death (occurred in intervening period due after the kids were born, she started leaving them with the nanny/Jedi/whoever on Coruscant and investigating leads on Anakins disappearance, stumbled onto the planet where he was being held and was murdered by Sidious). Only some time later does Obi Wan manage to follow the trail and find Anakin, apparently alone but filled with hate. Obi Wan frees him but Anakin attacks, believing Obi Wan killed Padme. Obi Wan fights defensively trying to reason with and explain to Anakin, but can't get through. Fight progresses as per Episode III to the High Ground situation, and continues as per film from there (without the "Noooooooo" at the end).

[–]bggladiator 415 points416 points  (3 children)

I can't begin to describe the feelings of hope, utter despair, love, hate, doubt, anger and joy that this post brought me. If this post ends up being miraculously correct I'm not sure how I'd react. Burst into tears? Distinct possibility. Rapturous joy? Could be. You are an evil person for making me want this.

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 664 points665 points  (0 children)

Meesa not evil, meesa you humble servant!

waves hand

[–]RatedR2OObi-Wan Kenobi 519 points520 points  (39 children)

Mind Blown!! Why do I want this to happen?

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 1580 points1581 points  (37 children)

Because it would redeem a huge part of the prequels. All it would take is a few well done flashbacks:

"Oh, goody goody, meesa you humble seeeervant!"

Qui-Gon walks away, camera pans to Jar Jar, showing his bulbous eyes narrow maliciously, his sneering lips curling to reveal a predatory grin

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 399 points400 points  (2 children)

goddamnit man.... this is just too good.

[–]yesdamnit 1244 points1245 points  (6 children)

at first i was "this is going to be terrible" then after i clicked the link "fuck, this is long am i really going to read all this bullshit?" five minutes later "holy shit. this is amazing."

[–]coscorrodrift 496 points497 points  (2 children)

I saw the title and said "Holy shit people smoke real weird shit on reddit". First paragraph and I'm laughing, but couple minutes later and I'm constantly saying "Shit, that's true" "Oh, damn, it can't be" out loud.

[–]waterweed 133 points134 points  (8 children)

JJ Abrams has mentioned that he at least thought about having Jar Jar's bones in the background of TFA.

... which can only mean that decades of Sith corruption have turned Darth Darth Binks into a wraithlike, skeletal abomination held together in a state of quasi-life by the hatred and rage of the Dark Side of the Force.

[–]Othurion 821 points822 points  (24 children)

The actor for jar jar gave a little insight on a deleted scene with jar jar and palpatine a while back, further supporting this theory

http://www.ew.com/article/2012/02/11/star-wars-deleted-scene-revenge-of-the-sith-jar-jar-binks

[–]DE4THINC4RN4TE 1211 points1212 points  (6 children)

I... I want Jar Jar back you guys.

I'm gonna need a minute to ponder what I just said.

[–]LawOfMuphry 391 points392 points  (95 children)

I don't know what to say other than this is amazing

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 1879 points1880 points  (94 children)

Thanks. There could have been more, but I was hitting the 15,000 character limit on the post.

I didn't even show Jar Jar using the force to predict the future:

Jar Jar the psychic doorman

... how did he know the Jedi were going to arrive precisely then and there? There was no doorbell. They didn't call ahead of time or anything- otherwise the Queen herself or her security would have been there to greet the distinguished Jedi- and besides, we know they didn't give advanced notice, because after this scene, Jar Jar has to call out to the Queen and tell her who is there. And everyone's surprised.

But not Jar Jar. He sensed them as they were coming up, just like the Jedi sense the intruder assasin bug later that evening.

Note how he slyly checks around every corner as he's walkin there, slinking about like it's only natural for him to be sneaky and stuff... but only dials up the "Gee shucks I'm a goofball!" routine when the elevator doors open.

I'm telling you, watch the prequels and keep an eye on Jar Jar when the other characters aren't looking directly at him.

[–][deleted] 550 points551 points  (3 children)

You should comment on this thread with all the backup evidence or made a part two thread. This is amazing.

[–]VonAether 364 points365 points  (5 children)

Thanks. There could have been more, but I was hitting the 15,000 character limit on the post.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE KEEP GIVING US MORE. This is golden and giving me a new appreciation of the prequels.

The "Ring Theory" site made me want to rewatch them for one reason, mostly in terms of thematics. This theory makes me want to scrutinize them for every damn thing Jar Jar does.

[–]NSFWIssue 272 points273 points  (4 children)

The worst part about this theory is the possibility of it not being true and Jar-Jar actually just being Jar-Jar

[–]highpowered 584 points585 points  (2 children)

I think you can replace [Theory] with [Warning: Spoilers].

[–]jlangdale 258 points259 points  (4 children)

The elevator scene in AotC is another concrete give-away that Jar jar is purposely being deceptive.

  1. Jar Jar arrives from another room to go to the elevator & pauses to wait. He also does not appear to be headed elsewhere because he stays. If he was going somewhere else, why does he pause? He also shifts his gaze as if to see if anyone is watching.

  2. As the elevator is opening, Jar Jar shift his gaze away from the elevator to act surprised.

  3. Jar Jar then shakes his head as if he wasn't expecting to see Obi-won, even though he was in the room with Palpatine, Yoda, and Padmé when the idea was proposed.

This behavior by Jar Jar is reminiscent of the Waterfall deception whereby Jar Jar acts fearful and clumsy before falling into the water.

[–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (0 children)

Because of this theory, more people have watched The Phantom Menace in the last week than in the last 16 1/2 years combined.

[–][deleted] 357 points358 points  (12 children)

So Jar Jar is basically The Mule from the Foundation series?

[–]ziggah 110 points111 points  (1 child)

I came here to laugh, I did not expect to be convinced.

[–]PWNtimeJamboreeZeb Orrelios 317 points318 points  (4 children)

This might be the best thing I've read all year.

[–]JohanDeWitt 95 points96 points  (9 children)

This is extremely well thought out. How long have you been working on this?

[–]Lumpawarroo[S] 261 points262 points  (8 children)

Well not that long. Took a few hours to write and double check. Encoding all those scenes to mp4 and then loading to gfycat was the most trouble. And thanks!

[–]onemananswerfactoryJar Jar Binks 618 points619 points  (8 children)

Dude. For real. That was pretty good. I want this to be a thing. It would 110% redeem Jar Jar.

Stellar OP. If this isn't a thing, Disney needs to make it happen. Any Disney/Lucasfilm lurkers in here? Take note.

[–]niijonodhg 181 points182 points  (10 children)

I am 100% behind this theory. I'm now currently rewatching the films with the fact that JarJar is the big bad behind everything in my head.

Shattered Empire Spoiler

[–]Gleisner_ 1114 points1115 points  (48 children)

[–][deleted] 607 points608 points  (8 children)

I honest to god think OP was right. Holy shit.

[–]t30ne 327 points328 points  (2 children)

I hope he was. I'll hate the prequels less if I think Jar Jar is just acting foolish to hide his malicious intent!

[–]Clark_Wayne 485 points486 points  (15 children)

Before being rewritten as comic relief, Jar Jar was a mercenary who ultimately betrays Qui-Gon Jinn.

That actually sounds cool.

[–]KimJongUgh 182 points183 points  (14 children)

I feel like it could have painted an entirely different light on the movie. I wonder who opted for it to be rewritten.

[–]fuckmastergeneral 109 points110 points  (1 child)

Point 18 the gif of them just whirling the sabers cracks me up every time

[–]caphits 318 points319 points  (14 children)

I just want to say that I was here. I am a witness to the truth. The force is with you, /u/Lumpawarroo.

[–]Imperium_Dragon 501 points502 points  (3 children)

claps

rises from chair and continues clapping

raises hands and electrocutes you

You will pay for your theoretical mind.

[–]bridges12791 83 points84 points  (9 children)

The part about Dooku really sealed it for me. I always thought his character was random. And in the Clone Wars series he still had very little back story.

[–]OttoTang 353 points354 points  (9 children)

So, jar jar is Keyser Söze?

[–][deleted] 269 points270 points  (22 children)

So, I decided to take a stab at this and just see what Jar Jar would look like if he is in fact Snoke from TFA. He has to be gaunt, undead looking, snake-like features, and cold black eyes.

If you remove the fat from Jar Jar it's not that hard to see him as freaking terrifying. I did a concept of what Darth Jar Jar could possibly look like if his gauntness is taken to the extreme. Enjoy