 zeio wrote:
Below is how 黑马聊乒乓, literally "Dark Horse Table Tennis Talk", who writes for magazine Table Tennis World, describes the longevity of T05, 1Q, and MX-P in his column in 2022.
https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv15403286
我们最喜欢的10款胶皮（2021版）
...
第1位：Tenergy 05
大家好奇的，可能是：为什么T05排在了D05前面？T05在中小力量下更容易带来高旋转值，而且在反手位，显然对业余高手来说更亲民。为什么说是业余“高手”？因为水平比较一般的，会觉得T05 FX更舒服，甚至红V之类的更好控。
T05�£反手皆宜。反手位，比黑马君现在用的T80吃球更稳，更容易出旋转。力量也更顶。
对比德套，它的强大优势在于稳定的品控。有些德套会改配方。开封一片新的T05，性能上它是细腻而强大的。胶面容易起鳞，则是一个不好的消息。
第2位：挺拔1Q
这片套胶应该是停产了，唉。2012年第一次参加市联通杯，当时刚从狂�£�3换1Q没多久，就收获了良好的状态，轻松杀进四强。令俺意识到，咬球足够的涩性外套，其实可能让你的发挥更稳定。因为你不会被狂�£�3打久了变生硬的手感和性能而束缚。
但挺拔变革系列明显销量更好。官方认为，1Q不是塑料球时�£的产品了，有点不合时宜。但归根结底，决定它命运的还是跟变革差不多的定价以及不如变革的销量。在过去10年，黑马君的�£手就是以1Q和T05为主。直到前两年发现市面上能买到的1Q，实在是短命。（估计都是放很久的存货。）打了一个月之后，内能就大幅降低，于是还是重新拥抱了T05。
仍然期待挺拔出一款这样通透、高速、给力、咬球的德套，即便是跟原来完全一样的版本，只要内能能持续三个月，就真的很好了。
...
第7位：变革MX-P
T05的最佳平价替�£者是什么？无疑是MX-P。很接近的旋转值和速度。甚至一些球友认为MX-P的力量比T05更强。但短板在于，胶面很容易花，内能持续时间也就个把月。内能消耗差不多后，难打。对于专业选手来说，寿命短并不是一个问题。波尔每次训练换一片，水谷隼每天换一片，石川佳纯大概三天换一片蝴蝶，我看，只要换得勤，其实MX-P水准还是相当高的。 |
Our Top 10 Favorite Rubbers (2021 Edition)
...
No. 1: Tenergy 05
Perhaps everyone is asking here, why is T05 ranked in front of D05? T05 is easier to bring high spin under small and medium power, and in the backhand position, it is obviously more friendly to high-level amateurs. Why "high-level" amateurs? Because those whose level is relatively average may feel that T05 FX is more comfortable, or even that Vega Asia has better control.
T05 is suitable for both forehand and backhand. The backhand position is more stable than the T80 currently used by Dark Horse, and it is easier to spin, and the power is also higher.
Compared with German rubbers, its strong advantage lies in consistent quality control. Some German rubbers will change the formula [TL's note: Baracuda and Acuda]. A brand-new T05 is delicate and powerful in performance. The catch? The topsheet scratches easily.
No. 2: Tibhar 1Q
This piece of rubber has likely been discontinued. (sigh) In 2012, I participated in the City Unicom Cup for the first time, not long after switching from Hurricane 3 to 1Q. I was in a good state and easily reached the semifinal. It made me realize that a grippy rubber that bites the ball well may actually make your performance more stable. Because you will not be bound by the feel and performance of Hurricane 3 that has become stiff after extended use.
However, the sales volume of the Evolution series is obviously better. Officials believe that 1Q is not a product for the plastic ball era, and is a bit out of date. But in the end, it is the similar pricing and sales that are not as good as the Evolution that seal its fate. In the past 10 years, the forehand of Dark Horse-kun was mainly 1Q and T05. Until two years ago, I found out the 1Q that were still available on the market were really short-lived. (I guess they had been on the shelf for a long time) After playing for a month, the built-in energy [TL's note: built-in tension] had dropped significantly, so I embraced T05 again.
I am still looking forward to a clear [TL's note: as in feedback], high-speed, powerful, and ball-biting German rubber. Even if it is exactly the same as the original version, as long as the built-in energy can last for three months, it will be really good.
...
No. 7: Evolution MX-P
What's the best affordable alternative to the T05? Undoubtedly the MX-P. Very close spin and speed. Some users even think that MX-P is more powerful than T05. But the shortcoming is that the topsheet gets scratched easily, and the built-in energy lasts only a month. After the built-in energy is almost expended, it is difficult to use. Short lifespan isn't an issue for pros, though. Boll changes every time he trains, Mizutani changes every day, and Ishikawa changes every three days. In my opinion, as long as you change frequently, the level of MX-P is actually quite high.
https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv18810348
每周乒器观察 151：�£替T05的三款平价德套
...
1
变革MX-P向来被视为蛋糕德套的旗舰套胶。在欧洲俱乐部联赛，除了蝴蝶Tenergy和Dignics，使用最多的应该就是变革系列了。其中最热门的款式应该是MX-P、EL-P和MX-S。
对比T05的话，变革MX-P在各方面都非常接近，甚至个别款在力量上超出了。所以在不考虑寿命的情况下，用MX-P�£替T05很合适。挺拔好些年前率先推出国手级别的涩性外套“国变”，可以说是开创先河。当时最早上市的国变，售卖时就附有膨胀剂。使用起来，手感上有一种“从柔到硬”，面胶是柔和的，但海绵相当扎实。所以整体手感反馈很实。
但，国变有个情况。就是用了一个来月后，胶面会开始打滑。这个情况，黑马君联想到之前拿过国家队的一些二手T05，虽然成色非常新，但没打多久，也开始胶面打滑。是他们之前用油膨胀过，然后渗透到胶面的原因。
现在的市场版MX-P，全新性能来讲，很给力。价格也很诱人。不过同样存在寿命一般的情况。不是打滑，是一两个月海绵就乏力。这点跟T05还是有明显差距。T05的海绵内能持续很久，但胶面却非常容易起鳞。
而蝴蝶Dignics系列有所不同，胶面虽然也容易起鳞，但起鳞后，摩擦力依然足够。一般半年内都没什么问题。这是Dignics与Tenergy最大的区别。
欧洲俱乐部的选手之间，变革套胶能流行的一个重要原因也是：全新变革的性能跟T05相差无几，而且选手只需要“短期”使用就行了。蝴蝶签约选手其实也是两三天就换一片全新的，波尔更过分，每次训练都换新的。 |
Weekly Table Tennis Observation 151: 3 Affordable German Alternatives to T05
...
1
Evolution MX-P has always been regarded as the flagship model of German porous sponge rubbers. In the European bundesliga, aside from Butterfly Tenergy and Dignics, the Evolution series should be the most used. The most popular models should be MX-P, EL-P and MX-S.
Compared with T05, Evolution MX-P is very close in all aspects, and some models even exceed it in terms of power. Therefore, it is totally fine to replace T05 with MX-P without considering the lifespan. Many years ago, Tibhar took the lead in launching the national player-level grippy rubber "National Evolution", which can be said to be the first of its kind. National Evolution, which was the first to go on the market at the time, was sold with booster applied. When using it, there is a kind of "from soft to hard", where the topsheet is soft, but the sponge is quite firm. So the overall feedback is very solid.
However, National Evolution has a problem. After a month of use, the topsheet will start to slip. This situation reminds Dark Horse-kun of some second-hand T05s from the national team. Although the condition is very new, the topsheet began to slip soon after. The reason had to do with the booster migrating to the topsheet.
The current market version of MX-P is very powerful when brand-new. The price is also very attractive. However, there is also the issue of so-so lifespan. It's not slipping per se, rather, it's the sponge that weakens after a month or two. There is still a clear gap between this and T05. The built-in energy of T05's sponge lasts for a long time, but the topsheet is very easy to scratch.
The Butterfly Dignics series is different. Although the topsheet is also prone to scratching, the friction is still sufficient afterwards. Generally, half a year is no problem. This is the biggest difference between Dignics and Tenergy.
An important reason for the popularity of Evolution among European bundesliga players is that the performance of brand-new Evolution is almost the same as that of T05, and players only need to use it for a "short time". Butterfly’s contract players actually replace with a brand-new one every 2 or 3 days, and Boll is even more extreme, replacing it with a new one every time he trains. |
Couldnt agree more 
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote 
Posted: 8 hours 57 minutes ago at 3:10am
Topic Options
Tweet
