Libertarians Are Terrorists, Says the State of Alabama
The Alabama Department of Homeland Security (ALDHS), established in June of 2003, has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose gun control and a strong federal government.
Under the heading “Anti-Government Groups”, the site displays a flag that is widely considered one of the first symbols of American patriotism and reads, “In general, these terrorists claim that the U.S. government is infringing on their individual rights, and/or that the government's policies are criminal and immoral. Such groups may hold that the current government is violating the basic principles laid out by the U.S. Constitution…”
While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts, the page that follows reads, “Anarchists groups are the 21st Century’s version of left wing or communist groups of the last. Anarchists believe that any government or organization that has power over others…will eventually become corrupt and abusive.”
If I’m not mistaken, the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive was first made popular in this country by our founding fathers, not a bunch of terrorist anarchist groups. This was the very reason for the implementation of the United States Constitution! In fact even Section 35 of the Alabama Constitution warns of this danger is it declares, “the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.”
The Alabama.gov site continues, “Most of these groups operate around larger urban areas and colleges/universities… Some are focused on issues such as World Trade, International Debt, and military involvement in foreign cultures… The theme is always the same. Big [government] is bad. Rich are using the poor to stay rich. Our government in particular is using its power immorally.”
In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, most of our national debt being held by foreign nations, or just a large federal government, you might be a terrorist!
The very idea that those who value their personal rights and liberties are being labeled terrorists by the State of Alabama is not only absurd and egregiously offensive, it completely contradicts the ideals our federal and state governments were founded on! The people of Alabama should be outraged!
These Alabama.gov pages can be reached by visiting the Alabama Homeland Security TAP Course, clicking on "Domestic Terrorists", and then on "Anti-Government Groups".
Wednesday, May 9th 2007 at 10:04 pm
Guilty as charged.
-Libertarian Enemy Combatant
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 5:11 am
You know what this says of course. That they fear us.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 11:46 am
“The very idea that those who value their personal rights and liberties are being labeled terrorists by the State of Alabama is not only absurd and egregiously offensive, it completely contradicts the ideals our federal and state governments were founded on! The people of Alabama should be outraged!”
But they won’t be… The majority will nod their heads like idiot drones and accept it. /cry
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:00 pm
Good find, Chris!
Of course, websites like Alabama’s only feed the flames of anti-NWO groups. And they wonder why we’re paranoid!
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:19 pm
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Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:25 pm
Wow. Just wow! I live in Alabama and I have for the last 19 years of my life. To me this website is a mockery for all that I stand for. Though this website does embody everything that most Alabamians believe in, it horrifies me to no end. To think that the people that live around me are the same gun-toting morons that think anybody with a slightly different viewpoint is a terrorist is scary to me. The people of Alabama are just afraid of what’s different. Ignore them.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:27 pm
i didn’t know that gay rights activists are terrorists!
brb calling police on myself
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:42 pm
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Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:43 pm
That is blatent, and absolutely disgusting.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:44 pm
The USA is becoming a police state:
http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/PoliceState.html
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:50 pm
I have the link for the page that has this info and it is truly creepy that they would define a terrorist this way.
http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/home.htm
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:52 pm
Is this a veiled attempt to chill the vocal/successful message from http://mises.org/
These guys are the best and need all our support. There are very few places where you can find anyone nearly as principled. Their arguments are so logical and easy to understand that they quickly lift the fog and show the flaws in so many mainstream ideas.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 12:59 pm
Pages like that are designed to provoke you into responding, after which your name is added to “the list”.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:11 pm
Nice to know how my state feels about me, not like it was any surprise.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:13 pm
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Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:18 pm
It’s funny, but this site isn’t even original.
ORIGINALLY PRODUCED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA
COMMISSION ON CRIME AND DELINQUENCY AND ADAPTED FOR ALABAMA BY THE ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Yeah, like Pennsyltucky is the home of great ideas, and a brain-trust of this country.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:26 pm
This is interesting. The rest of the site works, but that one particular page is gone gone gone.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:28 pm
Followed the links you suggested, got a 404. Hmm…
Here it is from archive.org back in April 2006:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060421160851/http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anti-gov_grps.htm
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:38 pm
404 when you click on the anti-govt groups
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:42 pm
Doesn’t seem to work anymore. All 4 links except anti-government still work.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 1:51 pm
[…] The State of Alabama is Fucked Up May 10, 2007 at 12:51 pm I came across this sad bit of information from Digg: Under the heading âAnti-Government Groupsâ, the site displays a flag that is widely considered one of the first symbols of American patriotism and reads, âIn general, these terrorists claim that the U.S. government is infringing on their individual rights, and/or that the government’s policies are criminal and immoral. Such groups may hold that the current government is violating the basic principles laid out by the U.S. Constitutionâ¦â […]
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:08 pm
The Hate Groups page seems to have disappeared.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:18 pm
The “Anti-Government Groups” link is down at the moment. You wouldn’t happen to have the page cached, would you?
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:20 pm
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Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:27 pm
Well, I guess in Alabama, I would be considered a terrorist. More reasons to never, ever go to that stupid place.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:37 pm
Note, that URL is not available any more. Could not find an alternative URL as yet.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:43 pm
Wow.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:54 pm
Somebody had better warn Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Let them know that they are not welcome in, and to stay out of, Alabama…
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 2:55 pm
I could find no trace of the above on the current ALDHS website (http://www.dhs.alabama.gov/) - the URL (http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/home.htm) in your text above may be an old version - I found pretty much the same topics in the current pages, but their definitions are much shorter and _much_ more reasonable. At least one of the linked web pages pointed to by the www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap no longer exists at all.
I did note one of their information bulletins cites the Southern Poverty Law Center, and I’m guessing that’s where all the above nonsense originally came from; the SPLC seems to have made a profitable business out of deliberately scaring people about “hate groups”, among whom they define militias, and then raising funds to help keep an eye on all these supposedly-dangerous groups. It looks like somebody may have caught on to the nonsense on the ALDHS web pages and pulled it when they transitioned from www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov to www.dhs.alabama.gov
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 3:02 pm
The site is changed but the quiz http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/quiz/Quiz2.aspx spouts the same thing.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 3:27 pm
The pages that have been taken down are available from Google’s cache. Just copy and past the entire URL into Google and hit “search.” Then look for the link titled “cache” when it returns.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 3:46 pm
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Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 3:50 pm
Libertarians Are Terrorists, Says the State of Alabama
The Alabama Department of Homeland Security has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose a strong federal government. In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, foreign-held national de…
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 3:53 pm
The quiz linked above is greatly watered down. The links in the left margin of that page supposedly link to TAP pages but it seems that every one of those pages has been taken down. My guess is that a few people called to yell at the Alabama DHS and they yanked the information.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 3:54 pm
The SPLC has been criticized for it’s fund raising, but it has also done some solid work against hate groups. I didn’t find anything on their website like the kind of broad brush on the Alabama DHS site; they appear to focus on groups that advocate violence.
Finally, we Alabamians are not all knuckle draggers. We have a bad habit of electing them, but it’s the spectacular few who create the image the rest of us endure. The political tone most prevalent here is not militant hick, but cynical suburbanite.
Even George Wallace was mostly bluster; he got a lot of support from black voters and actually did a lot to benefit blacks in the state. If you want to single out a villian, try Bear Bryant, who persuaded us to this day that all the problems of the state could be ignored and we could hold our heads high so long as we won football games.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 4:48 pm
Luckily the internet archive has copies.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060421160851/www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anti-gov_grps.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20060516040342/www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anarchist.htm
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 4:52 pm
The internet archive has copies.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060421160851/http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anti-gov_grps.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20060516040342/www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anarchist.htm
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 5:28 pm
Weird, I always thought the government ignored crazy lunatics like us….
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 5:36 pm
“You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence.”
– Charles Austin Beard (1874-1948)
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 5:43 pm
As an anarcho-communist, I can testify that anarchist are very similar to communists, and anarchists are a long ways from libertarians… Besides advocating a non-interventionist government (actually a lack of government) we also advocate direct action, rioting and the violent over throw of the current capitalist system. Terrorists; maybe.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 6:47 pm
We have to be careful of those librarians. I had a friend once. He was a librarian. Wasn’t much of a friend was he. DEATH TO THE LIBRARIANS!!!!!
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 7:12 pm
Yeah, libertarians are this century’s version of Communism. Please, authoritarian nanny states are this century’s version of Communism. And, besides, there’s nothing wrong with anarcho-capitalism in principle. At any rate, libertarians could probably be considered “anti-(large) government” but that does not mean they’re terrorists.
/Libertarian, and proud to be one
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 7:21 pm
For everybody who has tried to pull up this website, I have finally found the exact same thing on this website: (http://www.pa-aware.org). This is got to be the same since Alabama modeled its program after Pennsylvania. You’ll see the flag that was mentioned. It’s the Gadsden Flag..the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag. You’ll also find the SPLC brochure. The SPLC no longer just picks on Confederates. They recently said (in an “intelligence” report) that traditional Catholics were the largest hate group in America. Anyone who is against illegal immigration is on their list.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 7:31 pm
The State of Alabama’s statements are ridiculous. That is totalitarian ideology, So anyone that does not agree with the neo-cons is a terrorist?
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 9:01 pm
[…] (Via the Rebel Outpost) Chris Burnner has noticed that the state of Alabama has perhaps an over-broad definition of terrorist: The Alabama Department of Homeland Security (ALDHS), established in June of 2003, has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose gun control and a strong federal government. […]
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 9:16 pm
I thought I would go onto the government web site and capture the page for posterity before it got pulled. Too late. The link is dead. At least they got complaints, but like cockroaches, they scurry from the light.
I hope someone else saved it for the memory hole.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 9:36 pm
Seriously guys, I think Ron Paul is our last chance. If we don’t get him as president there won’t be a next election.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 10:24 pm
I hereby declare Jihad on the State of Alabama.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 10:26 pm
dude, the founding fathers *were* a bunch of “terrorists”!
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 10:31 pm
Well we better rename the statue of liberty to “the statue of a terrorist”
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 10:47 pm
Sure as hell hope you have screen shots.
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 11:35 pm
As an Alabamian, I am embarrassed that our normally fairly level-headed govt. would come out with such an assinine, silly, anti-freedom webpage. Maybe libertarians aren’t a popular or significant party here, but certainly just because one disagrees with a party’s platform is not an excuse to label them as a terrorist!!!!!! Geeesh!
I guess this is one of the unintended consequences one obtains in a state where the primary reason for the edukashun system is football…………….
Thursday, May 10th 2007 at 11:57 pm
It is time to gather up your courage and RISE UP PEOPLE!! DO NOT just leave it up to others to fight this battle!! Do not forget what happened to RUSSIA when these filthy lowlives took over, TOTAL loss of ALL FREEDOMS,including freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to criticise the government and the slimy filthbags that run it, freedom to critisise the jews in any way,shape or form, freedom to PROTECT yourself and your loved ones, freedom to own a home or business, freedom to work where and when you choose and let us NOT forget the over 65,000,000 white christians that were tortured and MURDERED by people of the very same ilk as these treasonous, satanic, zionist scumbags who have taken over this ONCE-GREAT NATION!!! The internment camps (gulags) have already been built!! When they declare martial law after the next “attack”, will you just allow them to take your guns and throw you and your loved ones in these gulags?? FOR CHRISTS SAKE(literally), WAKE UP FROM YOUR BRAINWASHED STUPOR AND FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Friday, May 11th 2007 at 12:27 am
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=018551
For Google cached versions of the Alabama Homeland Security site … they so have to kill the internet in the name of national security, homeland security, saving the children, ….
Friday, May 11th 2007 at 1:14 pm
Well.. the link that has been provided by a Dutch site didn;t work (I am Dutch), but is shows that this insane note by the government of Alabama has even reached my country.
In my country there is (and I am actually disagreeing with that) strict gun control.
I personally believe that people should be able to defend themselves from the (sometimes) tyranny of ones government, so therefore I’d prefer relaxing laws on gun control.
Before people will ask for my political views: I am a social-democrat.
Would that make me a terrorist?
Perhaps so… but then again the German occupation force called resistance fighters “terrorists” as well.
Tristan van Oosten
Amersfoort/The Netherlands
Friday, May 11th 2007 at 5:29 pm
Guess I won’t be moving to, or driving through Alabama any time soon.
Their loss, not mine.
Am I a libertarian? An advocate of gun rights and small, decentralized government? You bet your sweet life I am! Par excellence!
Please visit my blog where I have just published a new essay. Click on my name.
Friday, May 11th 2007 at 7:13 pm
There probably won’t be an election. Yesterday Bush has updated the contingency plans so that control remains in the executive branch (see the washingtonpost.com article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902719.html ) so perhaps the next false flag will be a “decapitating” attack on DC. Bush declares martial law, and that is that. Read “A Nation in Silent Anger” as well. We all need to get behind Ron Paul, no matter if we’re “liberal” or “conservative”, this transcends normal politics. You have o decide if you’re an American FIRST. The rest of these people are part of the same power structure. Two wings on the same bird. The people that have taken our government are traitors. We have to stand up and fight. This IS our generation’s mission. God Bless The United States of America
Friday, May 11th 2007 at 7:46 pm
[…] “Gays are terrorists” according to US Homeland Security Filed under: US politics, Safety, Freedom of Speech, Liberty, Homeland Security, Extremism, Bush Administration, fundamentalism, Department of Homeland Security, 911, america, Terrorism, War-on-terror, Culture, politics, Government, Gay, Bush, Controversy, crime, Blogosphere — Peter N. @ 2:45 am We Europeans knew that some US states harbored more then their fair share of certified nutcases, but in Alabama’s Libertarians are terrorists the Dept of Homeland security has really lost touch with reality. […]
Saturday, May 12th 2007 at 2:39 pm
This is scary. I was looking to transfer to the University of South Alabama a few months back. Being a Libertarian this is one of my biggest fears. Staring a revolution is probably one the stupidest things you could do in response of this.
Saturday, May 12th 2007 at 5:32 pm
Hey everybody. Be cool
. There is such a nice service as web.archive.org where you can check it out: http://web.archive.org/web/20060421160851/www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/tap/anti-gov_grps.htm have a nice day!
Saturday, May 12th 2007 at 6:25 pm
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Saturday, May 12th 2007 at 7:51 pm
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Sunday, May 13th 2007 at 9:43 am
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Sunday, May 13th 2007 at 11:54 am
I guess the Alabama state government would also consider Ron Pauil to be a terrorist then. I support Ron Paul for president so I suppose I would then be considered to be at least a terrorist sympathizer. I don’t think I’ll be making any plans to go to Alabama anytime in the near future. Who are the real terrorists, anyway?
PatriorSteven
http://www.wethepeoplecoalition.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thecrest/
Sunday, May 13th 2007 at 10:02 pm
[…] The Alabama Department of Homeland Security has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose a strong federal government. In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, foreign-held national debt, or just a large federal government, you might be a terrorist!read more | digg story […]
Tuesday, May 15th 2007 at 7:44 am
I’m so tired of this homeland security BS. Its just going to end up like the CIA, even when there is no need for the organization it will continue to exist. The cold war is over why do we need the CIA? I’m sure the CIA does great work for our country everyday, but I honestly don’t think they’re necessary at all.
Tuesday, May 15th 2007 at 9:47 am
i am a proud radical like my founding fathers before me. i support the ideas of individual freedom that our nation and government were founded on. i am more patriotic then the people who call me a terrorist because i still believe in the countries ideas. i love america and the freedoms allowed in it, how dare they call me a terrorist.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! ~ patrick henry
Wednesday, May 16th 2007 at 3:04 pm
Have they taken the site down? I can’t connect to it.
Saturday, June 9th 2007 at 12:27 pm
Good article, thanks for all the links in the comments.
Says a hell of a lot that the state info link is pulled - they are cowards, won’t stand by their own propaganda. They run and hide like all good terrorists. Now who exactly are the terrorists?
Protecting Your Community
http://www.pa-aware.org/protecting-your-community/suspicious-activity3.asp
“Recognizing Suspicious Activity
Unusual Interest in High Risk or Symbolic Targets
Maybe you are at a National Monument and you notice a person nearby taking a lot of photos. Not unusual. But then you notice that he is only taking photos of the surveillance cameras, crash barriers at the entrances, and access control procedures. Is that normal for a tourist? Absolutely not.
The following should cause a heightened sense of concern:
β’ unusual interest
β’ surveillance
β’ inappropriate photographs or videos
β’ note-taking
β’ drawing of diagrams
β’ annotating maps
β’ using binoculars or night vision devices”
?Know anyone with this behavior? How about our own government. They film and spy on you, not the other way round. Why are we letting them do this to us.