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Dec. 15th, 2014 | 12:31 pm
This post won't be of the fun variety. Most of you by now must know what the website Goodreads is: it compiles tons of stuff you can read on the internet, and apparently, it doesn't have any sense of ethics, and someone can recommand a story there, and it gets posted, and the hell with the author's permission.
I found one of my stories there, not only the story, but the freaking art I did for it serving as a "book cover" and also a link to my AO3 account. I did not give my permission for this. I was uterly pissed, to tell the truth. Then I started thinking that I was writing fanfiction, obviously without the SPN creators permission, and it got me very conflicted, as to what rights do I have over my stories. It comes down to this, really: I don't make any profits out of these stories, wherein the website does by using advertising. ALL I have is intellectual property over these stories. And they are mine. It's not much, a handful of stories that I post so that maybe twenty, thirty people can enjoy them and have fun with them. I like doing it. I have no intention to stop.
I don't want to f-lock my journal or my AO3 account. I count on my friends and readers'sense of ethic. I still want to make a few points.
-I will from now on not allow any translations of my fics: anyway, every time I do give permission I never hear from them again, so it's a mess and I won't allow it anymore. If one of you stumble over one of my translated stories, please let me know.
-I will not give permission to anyone to write codas or sequels to my own fics. It happened recently, and I was surprised, so that's a no. Remixes are another thing entirely, and I know people do ask permission before writing a remix.
-If you want to rec my one of my stories somewhere, ask me first please.
-I will post something similar on my AO3 account.
Please, guys, don't use this goodreads website, and if you do wander there and find one of my stories, let me know. I mean, fanfiction is so much fun, we shouldn't have to deal with this kind of s**t.
On other news, Christmas is coming and I've been writing a story for the mpreg secret santa that should be posted in the upcoming weeks. I've also had the pleasure to have my two art pieces claimed by wonderful authors for the Reversebang and I can't wait for them to be posted. ALSO, I pitch hit for one of the art of the same reversebang, so there's another story I'll be posting during the holidays. AND, I offered two fics for an auction, am writing them as we speak. So... lots of stuff coming up.
So, happy holidays everyone
<3
I found one of my stories there, not only the story, but the freaking art I did for it serving as a "book cover" and also a link to my AO3 account. I did not give my permission for this. I was uterly pissed, to tell the truth. Then I started thinking that I was writing fanfiction, obviously without the SPN creators permission, and it got me very conflicted, as to what rights do I have over my stories. It comes down to this, really: I don't make any profits out of these stories, wherein the website does by using advertising. ALL I have is intellectual property over these stories. And they are mine. It's not much, a handful of stories that I post so that maybe twenty, thirty people can enjoy them and have fun with them. I like doing it. I have no intention to stop.
I don't want to f-lock my journal or my AO3 account. I count on my friends and readers'sense of ethic. I still want to make a few points.
-I will from now on not allow any translations of my fics: anyway, every time I do give permission I never hear from them again, so it's a mess and I won't allow it anymore. If one of you stumble over one of my translated stories, please let me know.
-I will not give permission to anyone to write codas or sequels to my own fics. It happened recently, and I was surprised, so that's a no. Remixes are another thing entirely, and I know people do ask permission before writing a remix.
-If you want to rec my one of my stories somewhere, ask me first please.
-I will post something similar on my AO3 account.
Please, guys, don't use this goodreads website, and if you do wander there and find one of my stories, let me know. I mean, fanfiction is so much fun, we shouldn't have to deal with this kind of s**t.
On other news, Christmas is coming and I've been writing a story for the mpreg secret santa that should be posted in the upcoming weeks. I've also had the pleasure to have my two art pieces claimed by wonderful authors for the Reversebang and I can't wait for them to be posted. ALSO, I pitch hit for one of the art of the same reversebang, so there's another story I'll be posting during the holidays. AND, I offered two fics for an auction, am writing them as we speak. So... lots of stuff coming up.
So, happy holidays everyone
<3
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kattiememe
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 06:29 pm (UTC)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 08:07 pm (UTC)
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date: Dec. 15th, 2014 07:25 pm (UTC)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 07:44 pm (UTC)
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This has been going around on tumblr and lj, probably other website too. I do understand better now what goodreads is about, but there should definitively be rule made for fanfiction. This is a very delicate issue. Fanfictions are meant for people that share very specific interests, depending on the fandom, and it is true, my stories are out there on the internet but and I have little control over them, but it's my small corner of the internet, a place I created where I felt comfortable enough to post fanfic. To see my art used as well andf my AO3 account was just too much. I'm lucky enough that I don't have a facebook or twitter account that can be linked to that pseudo. A lot of us writers of fanfiction likes to keep our RL and LJ life separated. I suggest that fanfiction shouldn't be allowed except with the permission of the author, because I know a lot of other writers in this fandom are really mad right now. I can't speak for everybody, but it's a serious issue.
Thank you again for removing my story.
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date: Dec. 15th, 2014 07:55 pm (UTC)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 08:05 pm (UTC)
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meus_venator
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 12:20 am (UTC)
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I wanted all my work off GoodReads as well. Thanks so much.
Edited at 2014-12-16 07:16 pm (UTC)
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walking_tornado
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 09:42 pm (UTC)
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date: Dec. 15th, 2014 09:55 pm (UTC)
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walking_tornado
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Many thanks! :)
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emmatheslayer
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 07:57 pm (UTC)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 08:06 pm (UTC)
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emmatheslayer
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 11:41 pm (UTC)
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simplybeing
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 08:52 pm (UTC)
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Uh, that said, I have recced the shit out of a whole bunch of your stories in
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 09:15 pm (UTC)
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Seriously, though, I can't understand this freaking website. I've been told (see comment right up) that it's not even supposed to be for fanfiction, but then, the mods apparently allow it and the author has to somehow be omniscient and know her story has been posted there to have it remove. I mean what the f...? Is it so hard to ask permission? My art was there as well, and my icon from ao3, it's unbelievable. Fanfic is something private, and it must seems like a contradiciton since I actually WANTS people to read my story, but it's my little corner of the internet, you know? Where I know what is happening and I'm comfortable and hell, I had a J2 au mpreg posted there!!! (also, only three stars out of five, vexing, right?
;-)
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simplybeing
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 04:00 am (UTC)
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ps. Totally o/t, but TorCon 2015... I'm still hoping and praying to see you there just fyi. I MISS YOUR FACE, WOMAN.
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lupinlover
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 10:15 pm (UTC)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 10:37 pm (UTC)
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date: Dec. 15th, 2014 10:40 pm (UTC)
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jj1564
date: Dec. 15th, 2014 11:02 pm (UTC)
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I'm pleased that this won't put you off from posting your fics and really pleased to hear you have so many fics in the pipeline (including mine wheeee!) **hugs**
Edited at 2014-12-15 11:03 pm (UTC)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 12:27 am (UTC)
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I can't just stop writing, you know, I love it too much and need this in my life.
And yes, your fic is halfway done now *cheers*
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jj1564
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 11:03 am (UTC)
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And hurrah for your prodigious fic-writing! Looking forward to my one and all of them!
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pennydrdful
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 12:30 am (UTC)
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As you pointed out, many of us would like to maintain a very clear boundary between RL and fandom. It's great that they'll remove it if the owner complains, but like you mention, most people don't even know that their work is on there. I've been contacting several artists this evening just to make sure that they know their fanart has been posted there as 'book' covers. Ugh.
Moving on! I'm so excited to read everything you've been working on!
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 03:10 am (UTC)
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On the other hand, YAY! Yes, I'm in over my heads with fics to be posted and to be completed, Hopefully, they won't be too bad ;-)
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from: anonymous
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
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I one time had someone completely rip off my story (i'm not on live journal but ao3). I don't mind people using some elements from my story...everyone uses ideas that inspire them from other stories. But when they took an exact idea and didn't bother changing it at all...as well as most of the plot, it pisses me off. Especially when they are getting reviews saying how 'original their story is'. No, it's a cop of mine with a few things changed.
It really upset me because this person reviewed my stories. They also claimed in their author's notes that they 'borrowed ideas from a great story' and never listed the story or the author. The thing is, I don't know what to do without getting this person's followers attacking me.
Anyway, I feel your pain and I'm so sorry this is happening to you :( We just want to write for fun and these people take the enjoyment out of it. But I can't wait for the 'Scattered Pieces' sequel. It's my favorite all time story, as I don't really read any romance :)
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 03:18 am (UTC)
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I am so sorry for what happened to your story, it's plagiarism. If it was on LJ, you would see a lot of people gathering around you and supporting you and calling out the author who has stole your ideas and plot. On AO3, it's more difficult because it's not a community. You should at least contact the mods. You shouldn't be scared of calling out someone who stole your plot without even mentioning you. If the followers of this person know her work isn't original, they will react, I can assure you. In fanfiction, plagiarism is something that's not accepted AT ALL because we have little control over stories posted on the net so we have to count on each other.
Don't be scared to claim what's yours and what you've worked out so hard to create.
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date: Dec. 16th, 2014 03:35 am (UTC)
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I'd really like to know who the absolute asshat is that has not only added so many people's fanfiction but set up profiles using their usernames. That's fraud plain and simple.
I suggested on Cassiopeia7's post that a petition that could be circulated through every fandom to have Goodreads remove fanfiction might be in order. I'm not one of the authors whose work has been pilfered but I'm angry on behalf of everyone whose work has been. I may start the petition myself.
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 04:27 am (UTC)
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So, you think this might be the work of one single person because it's horrible. Why would someone do something like that, I just don't get it.
The petition is a wonderful idea. I'm not sure I'm influent enough in this fandom to be the one starting it, but I would surely help passing it and make sure everyone has seen and sign it.
Please, if you do so, keep me informed.
Thanks for the infos!
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reggie11
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 05:27 am (UTC)
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I don't have much pull at all in fandom because I know so few people, but I'm willing to create a petition. If I get one going I'l ask that everyone on my flist share it with everyone on their flists and with people they may know in other fandoms. If everyone bands together it could be huge and would have to have some kind of impact, surely.
Over the next few days I'll see what I can pull together. I'll find all of the relevant clauses in their terms and conditions and see if I can draft some wording.
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walking_tornado
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 04:03 pm (UTC)
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I guess I'm still fuzzy about how everyone is defining "published." My imperfect understanding is that according to GR, posting the story to LJ is not published, but bringing it to AO3 to accommodate ereaders makes it published. Did I get that right? I dunno, when I first decided to write fanfic, had I realized that it would end up somewhere to be held up against traditionally published novel which have each seen a team of editors and a dozen revisions, I would have hesitated (more than I already did) about posting. Had I known that RL details might be included in an author profile that I hadn't made, I would have tried to find another creative outlet.
Displaying uncredited artwork as a "book cover" is more straightforward. And just, no. The artwork that had been associated with my story had not been posted on AO3, so whoever made the entry must have gone to LJ to find it.
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 04:38 pm (UTC)
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date: Dec. 16th, 2014 07:50 am (UTC)
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date: Dec. 16th, 2014 04:22 pm (UTC)
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apocalipskiss
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 01:50 pm (UTC)
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Also I can't wait to read your new fic! <3
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 04:23 pm (UTC)
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Thanks, bb, I have a lot of writing on my plate right now ;-)
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milly_gal
date: Dec. 16th, 2014 10:42 pm (UTC)
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from: anonymous
date: Dec. 17th, 2014 02:11 am (UTC)
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You might want to claim your Goodreads author page so that if anyone mentions one of your stories on GR again, it will be faster to remove.
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etoile_etiolee
date: Dec. 17th, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
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date: Dec. 17th, 2014 09:57 pm (UTC)
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I wrote a replay to GR support and stated yours and my concerns. And I have to admit I’ve got a really friendly and warm replay. Here is the part that relates to you:
“To clarify, we remove fan fiction works from the site at the author's request, as long as they have not been published elsewhere through more traditional e-book publishing channels. If you'd like more clarification, please take a look at Rivka's comment in the Librarians Group here.
If […] is able to contact us here at support directly (support@goodreads.com), we'd be happy to remove her listings from the site.”
Don’t state your requests on the delete-this-book-thread, don’t ask another GR librarian, but write a message to the aforementioned email address.
I hope this helps you at least a little bit.
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