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[–]Oil_slick941611 179 points180 points  (18 children)

easier said than done. I don't disagree though, so many of modern health issues are diet based, The governments of the world however could do a better job of 2 things:

1) Educate more on healthy eating and helping to get healthy choices on the menus of fast food places 2) Make it easier for families to afford to eat healthy, Whether that mean regulations, taxes, taffies or benefits for farmers to provide healthy foods and make them more profitable to grow and of course better prices in the grocery stores.

[–]vacuum_everyday 80 points81 points  (8 children)

Honestly, most people don’t realize how much the government subsidizes corn and soy farmers. I believe it hit $16B last year, Trump assumed it was a way to secure Midwestern votes. But farmers make very significant percentage of their income solely from the government cutting them hefty paychecks.

Farmer socialism is real and I don’t know why we don’t talk about it more. It affects everything from high fructose corn syrup in everything to massive, yearly government bailouts.

[–]Oil_slick941611 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Yup. But we can pay them to grow actual food for human consumption and not soy or corn for fuel

[–]vacuum_everyday 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Correct, we need to entirely rethink crop subsidies and shift away from solidly grains and oil/processed food crops.

It’s bananas that the USDA put grain at the bottom of the food pyramid, for the most consumption. That is directly connected to this issue.

[–]sali_man1 [score hidden]  (1 child)

Corn syrup is probably the single biggest contributor to obesity

[–]crimsonjunkrider 46 points47 points  (0 children)

As a fat man i find that reasonable lol

[–]Wide_Ocelot 287 points288 points  (112 children)

This should be helpful. Imagine if they expand this into the government telling alcoholics to "stop drinking" and smokers to "stop smoking"! What a wonderful world and all because the government finally spoke up! What would we do without them?

[–]Zhenjiu_Guangfu 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"JUST SAY NO!!" ~ Nancy Reagan's decomposing corpse

[–]swapode 223 points224 points  (28 children)

AFAIK "stop smoking" campaigns are considered rather successful.

[–]Helphaer 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Not as successful as the pro smoking campaigns of putting it everywhere sadly.

[–]stanky_tanky 42 points43 points  (10 children)

It's like telling people with clinical depression to 'just smile'. Unlike other addictions, food addiction is probably the most insidious and difficult to overcome. As you need food to keep living. You can quit smoking cold turkey, you can use pharmaceuticals to ween off of booze and hard drugs but you can't just quit food. Sure, there are treatments to get the nourishment your body needs without eating, but none of that is sustainable long-term. Someone with lifelong food addiction issues is just one pizza or cake away from relapsing. Not to mention how food/dining is so deep rooted in most cultures and many people with these issues do not get the support/understanding they need from family/friends.

[–]D-Spornak 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this.

[–]tom333444 9 points10 points  (4 children)

While they're at it, they should tell people to stop killing as well! Oh wait, they already do and people are still killed lol

[–]veovis523 10 points11 points  (27 children)

At least with smoking and drinking you can theoretically quit cold turkey. Might be rough for a while, but you'll survive. Not so with eating.

[–]lpc1994 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Quitting alcohol cold turkey can be incredibly dangerous though.

[–]veovis523 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but aren't there treatments that can mitigate the DTs if someone quits cold turkey?

[–]lpc1994 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah, point still stands that seizures and potentially death could happen for heavy drinkers and you shouldn't do it without medical supervision.

[–]RedditOR74 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Only for those with very large regular intakes (alcoholics) and then the danger is more of severe discomfort and some moderate neuroreceptor disturbances that can lead to injuring oneself by accident.

[–]TheFirstUranium 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only for those with very large regular intakes (alcoholics) and then the danger is more of severe discomfort and some moderate neuroreceptor disturbances that can lead to injuring oneself by accident.

No, it can literally kill you. Also.... yeah, who else would have to quit besides alcoholics?

[–]jarstintoad 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You actually can die from quitting drinking.

[–]CryonautX -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Pretty sure it's a lot easier to cold turkey healthy eating than addictive substances. Noone is saying to starve. Just eat healthy portions and get the right nutrition.

[–]lpc1994 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Junk food and especially sugar can definitely be addictive though.

[–]elixier -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not like alcohol dude, I've seen first hand what you go though in severe cases

[–]AtomZaepfchen 3 points4 points  (23 children)

but most countries mandate stop smoking and stop drinking campaigns?

obesity is a plague and its beyond me how society defends this gluttony and behaviour.

[–]Amanystya 16 points17 points  (9 children)

I don't see anyone defending being obese. The issue is that unhealthy food is far cheaper and more prevalent, especially for people on lower incomes. Not everyone can afford to buy fresh produce every week and not everyone has the time to spend hours preparing healthy food. When people are living paycheck to paycheck there's no alternative.

[–]thejabel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Prevalence can definitely be an issue with people living in food desserts. But cost is just not true, you can easily eat healthily for much less money than unhealthily. Rice, potatoes and legumes are solid bases for any meal and are eaten by over half the world on a daily basis. In America(my point of reference) you can buy a whole chicken for 8$ and a dozen eggs are like 2$. Time cost is more for sure but monetarily you can make eating healthy much cheaper.

[–]lets-test-some-stuff -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Also the hours preparing healthy food thing is also completely false. Unless they're planning on making a 5 star meal from scratch. Grilled chicken, frozen broccoli, rice. Cheap, easy, quick. There are tons of other meals just as simple and healthy.

[–]herrbz 10 points11 points  (2 children)

society defends this gluttony and behaviour.

They really don't.

[–]thejabel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of the body positivity movement ignores the major health risks associated with obesity and has criticized celebrities that used to be obese but lost significant amounts of weight(Adele) to get to a healthy size.

[–]RockinSocksII 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The difference being is that eating is a necessity. It's not something you can just quit cold turkey and never think about again.

[–]keepitcleanforwork -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

It’s the single largest killer annually. But, we can’t talk about it because someone might get their feelings hurt.

[–]ottothesilent 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The solution isn’t to tell people to stop eating, it’s to invest in communities most affected by the obesity epidemic, as in opening grocery stores in the city, subsidizing healthy options, and education kids in school before they form lifelong habits, as well as more tightly regulating the kinds of things we put in our food and how we advertise it. Fat people know they’re fat.

[–]veovis523 [score hidden]  (1 child)

Also, employers need to pay people more so they can quit their second jobs and have time to prepare that healthy food.

[–]ottothesilent [score hidden]  (0 children)

And people should be able to use the money they’re not spending on universal child care and health care to buy healthy food for their kids. Give people the tools to live a healthy and dignified life and they will.

[–]herrbz 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You certainly seem upset

[–]thejabel -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

It is upsetting seeing and hearing it talked about as a global crisis while celebrities and influencers push the idea that “body positivity” means you shouldnt actively try to be healthy and whatever body you form you should be proud of.

[–]GSTdotcom -1 points0 points  (1 child)

why do you care so much about what celebrities and influencers push

[–]Educational_Stay 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Next up, tell people in wheelchairs to “start walking”! My mother will be so happy that they’ve found a cure for MS…

[–]coffeeisforwimps 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Except the cure for obesity is actually eating less. The cure for MS is not 'start walking'.

[–]spartaman64 -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

nah diets dont work most people gain it back. what they need is an entire lifestyle change with exercise and eating healthy etc

[–]coffeeisforwimps 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You're right but I didn't say diet. I said eat less.

[–]baildodger [score hidden]  (2 children)

But reducing solving the obesity crisis to ‘eat less’ is about as helpful as telling someone in a wheelchair to ‘walk more’. Like, yes, changing what people eat is at the core of weight loss, but only in the same way as walking is the core of solving the ‘not walking’ problem.

[–]latouchefinale 233 points234 points  (4 children)

Can we ask the financially obese to hoard less?

[–]pfojes 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Touché

[–]gameingtree 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think so...

[–]Vipassana1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd award you a gold if I wasn't spending all my money on food

[–]SnarfbObo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets send the plainly obese after them

[–]HungryLikeTheWolf99 91 points92 points  (2 children)

Without government, how would they know what to do?

[–]SuccessfulBroccoli68 15 points16 points  (1 child)

If it where not for my congressman I wouldn't know my ass from my mouth.

[–]formerNPC 89 points90 points  (2 children)

Wow! So that’s how you lose weight! This guy is a genius, someone give him an important job!

[–]Buckwinn 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Be sure to throw some cheeseburgers at anorexics, too. It’s the only way they’ll get the point.

[–]MonkeyTacoBreath 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And make bulimics install a one way valve for their Orogastric tube.

[–]N8theGr8 71 points72 points  (32 children)

Michelle Obama tried...

[–]Boy_With_Antlers 48 points49 points  (4 children)

Michelle Obama tried to reduce obesity in the UK?

[–]Normalizesteroidz 35 points36 points  (3 children)

😂 Now I'm imagining Michelle giving a speech bin London and one of her aides pulling her aside to tell her, "Michelle, this is the wrong country."

[–]bigbangbilly 16 points17 points  (2 children)

bin London

Sounds like a rather wealthy yet infamous Londoner.

[–]Defero-Mundus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Transport for Bins - “Bin better”

[–]bigbangbilly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Transport for Bins - “Bin Faster"

[–]richardawkings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But sugar and snack companies didn't want it hurting their profit so they sponsored her to change her message into exercising more and not about eating less.

[–]Mygaffer 15 points16 points  (1 child)

The fact that the world developed an obesity epidemic (and it's really spreading to the whole world) after the rise and prevalence of only lightly regulated, extremely unhealthy processed foods is just a coincidence I'm sure.

[–]Bind_Moggled 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Government should tell the ignorant to speak less, I tell Lord Robathan.

[–]Pigeon-in-Boots 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Imagine if they actually took on the food industry and forbade things like literal sugar cubes from being marketed as a child's breakfast.

[–]Muzzlims -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Who buys the kids food? You can only blame the system for so long before fault lands on parents. It’s like seeing a fat dog.

[–]Pigeon-in-Boots 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is a systemic issue. The food industry has teams of scientists to make food addictive. Grocery stores/food packaging are designed to manipulate our brains. We're all sad and underpaid.

We need to stop blaming the individual and fix the root of the issue. Blaming parents for their overweight kids isn't wrong....it just doesn't work. Just like telling fat people it's their fault and they need to lose weight isn't wrong either....but it doesn't work in solving the obesity epidemic.

Obesity skyrocketed when the food industry changed. People are too weak to make responsible decisions, especially in a system that's stacked against them.

Instead of ridding grocery stores of literal poison food, we're gonna blame the obese mom for her obese kid, it's gonna accomplish nothing, and society gets fatter and sicker.

[–]toenailburglar [score hidden]  (0 children)

The root of the issue is people making the choice to eat too much.

[–]Dooboppop 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They will have to pry these muffins from my cold dead hands.

[–]WhisperingSideways 46 points47 points  (3 children)

Rich conservative tells the poors to do better.

[–]gameingtree 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's what I've been doing wrong! All this time I've been doing worse, never occurred to me to do better.

[–]veovis523 4 points5 points  (0 children)

More like rich conservative tells fat people what they already know.

[–]herrbz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Rich conservative is out of touch with normal people.

I'm shocked!

[–]TheEggman00 41 points42 points  (81 children)

In some countries, ie USA, Canada, it’s simply way cheaper to eat like shit. The corrupt food pyramid is designed to evenly distribute the money people spend on food among certain farming industries and food manufacturers/suppliers. We know that it’s better to cook, and be simply mindful about what we eat, but with a standard American work day - that’s hard. People are too busy and stressed to actually think about what they’re going to eat. This is when pre-prepared frozen foods, ready made meals, fast food and restaurants come into play. It’s expensive to eat clean, and in order for it to be somewhat affordable, you really need to shop sales and use your freezer.

[–]TatonkaJack 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I live in the US and it is WAY cheaper to cook your own meals than buying fast food. So. Much. Cheaper. Harder? Sure.

[–]TheEggman00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really should have put my emphasis on Canada, my family used to grocery shop across the border in the US pre-Covid. It was noticeably cheaper.

[–]youpeoplestolemyname -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's definitely cheaper than fast food, but it's not cheaper than junk food.

I can buy both a two liter of soda and a family sized bag of chips for like $3. A frozen pizza is $2.50, a half gallon of ice cream is $2, it goes on and on.

Veggies and other fresh foods are cheap too, but they take time to prepare, go bad much more quickly, are more difficult to store, and aren't as instantly gratifying.

Also, lots of people just don't know how to cook, which makes things much more difficult.

It's definitely doable to eat healthy on a budget, it's just way easier not to.

[–]SkittlesAreYum 16 points17 points  (12 children)

This is when pre-prepared frozen foods, ready made meals, fast food and restaurants come into play.

But you can actually monitor your calories that you eat, even when eating these options. Just because food item XYZ is 1400 calories doesn't mean you have to eat all of it.

[–]TheEggman00 -5 points-4 points  (11 children)

People that obsess about calories aren’t living a lifestyle with longevity. For example, a man that’s 180 pounds should eat around 2,800 calories a day, give or take depending on level of activity - to maintain their weight. So that means it’s ok if they eat 2 and a half Big Mac combos a day they’ll be at 2,700 calories??…..is that healthy? No it’s not. Even if they work out and create a deficit, it’s not good for you.

[–]jtaustin64 6 points7 points  (4 children)

One of the things you learn on a CICO diet is that it is a lot easier to remain under your calorie count when you eat more fruits and vegetables.

[–]TheEggman00 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Not gonna argue that veggies and fruit are good for you, but at the end of the day - if you’re eating whole foods that provide sustenance and make you feel full longer to begin with, you’ll actually pay less attention to the calories you consume without much effort at all. Even with fruits, one should be careful to limit themselves and pay attention to the time of day they’re eating them.

Grains and processed sugars make your body desire more quickly because they digest fast and easily. This is when you’ll find yourself going over your caloric intake, and cravings intensify

[–]jtaustin64 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You are right, but some of us have problems with overeating any kind of food (myself included). You have to find a health plan that works for you specifically and fortunately there are a lot of different options out there.

[–]TheEggman00 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I agree, and same here. Overeating was a problem for me too. I found when I ate a adequiate amount of protein, and lots of fibrous vegetables, I would actually feel stuffed for a long time without paying much attention to my caloric intake and in turn, I dropped 200 pounds over the course of about 3 years.

[–]jtaustin64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am currently focusing more on my mental health and weightlifting right now so my eating has not been the best (although I do enjoy a wide variety of foods). However, my most successful weight loss journey was done with just CICO. I lost 60 lbs in 4 months. In hindsight I realize that that was way too quick but having something that helps me control my portion sizes helps me.

[–]SkittlesAreYum 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The choice is not just healthy foods vs shitty foods. When choosing between eating shitty food on a caloric surplus and eating shitty food on a calorie maintenance/deficit, the latter is far better. If the lack of time and money means better meals (fruits, veggies) aren't possible, then this is still an improvement. You will lose weight eating just McDonald's if you watch calories.

[–]TheEggman00 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

What’s the main objective here though? Losing weight or being healthy?

[–]Sheimon-u6900 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Being healthy includes being a healthy weight

[–]SkittlesAreYum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, given the title, the primary discussion point is losing weight.

But anyway, first of all, if you're obese you're not healthy, so I'd put losing weight as #1 on any goal. If I had to choose between eating healthy and being obese, versus eating like shit but being a normal weight, I'd choose the latter in an instant. My point is the number one most important thing for your health is to not be overweight, and you can attain that eating only fast food or microwaved meals. Likewise, you can homecook every day, and be fat as fuck.

[–]MoAmmo 17 points18 points  (32 children)

It’s not expensive to eat clean, rice beans, some frozen veggies and optionally eggs are much healthier and will get you much farther than a mchicken.

[–]ng9924 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So many broke bodybuilders have gotten into great shape eating rice beans eggs and tuna, you just have to be smarter with your money and it’s definitely possible to eat a reasonable amount of healthy calories for cheap

[–]greensandgrains 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yea, but that's boring/blad as shit, sorry. No one can eat like that every day for years on end, and trying to do so will only fling them back to stuff on the other end of the healthy spectrum.

Theres got to be a way to get nutritious, tasty food to people without it costing loads.

Western society takes delicious, healthy foods and makes them garbage.

[–]AaronfromKY [score hidden]  (0 children)

I mean things like spices do exist and have minimal calories. People can and have eaten similar to that for years on end. Look at the traditional diets of India and Japan for a few examples. Very high in rice and beans and vegetables and using meat for flavor along with spices. Just because you've been conditioned to think those things are bland doesn't make it true.

[–]zero989 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it is absolutely not expensive to eat clean. Fast food is what is expensive.

[–]dL8 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Plan and shop ahead. There will be a lot more stress and definitely be more expensive down the road, doctors visits and reduced lifespans ain't worth the convenience of fast-food etc.

[–]Bucket81 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Or they could regulate food and how types of food are taxed.

[–]LSUMath 12 points13 points  (4 children)

We spend $100/month on just fresh fruits. It is expensive and time consuming to eat healthy. I can afford it now, but couldn't always. Tell Lord Farquaad to start a farm to provide fruits and veggies to the poor.

[–]herrbz 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Vegetables can still be cheap. Fresh fruit is always expensive, and not the only healthy food.

[–]TJatPBnJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They didn't say to eat healthy

[–]Mliy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not all fresh fruit is going to run up that much of a bill though. During the winter my kids still eat tons of fruit, just the fruit we can afford. We can have apples, bananas, and clementines for extremely reasonable prices. We also eat fruit I canned or froze over the summer, which I know I have the privilege of time to do that. If I bought the fruit my kids really wanted to eat it would cost a ton (berries, stone fruits, etc). I buy that in the summer when we can get it locally and it’s in season.

[–]lardtard123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Buy frozen fruits and vegetables and make smoothies. They retain more of their nutrients that way as they are frozen quickly after being picked. Also blended foods are better absorbed. Fuck I love smoothies.

[–]CaptainSeagul 7 points8 points  (5 children)

As a formerly fatter man (only overweight, not obese), this isn't bad advice.

Losing weight is like 90% diet. Actually, I didn't exercise at all while dieting.

Just eating less won't do it though, you need to specifically eat less carbs (bread, grains, beer).

My diet was basically chicken and broccoli for a long time 😅

[–]dukeofbun 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Ah yes I'm sure they've never had this advice before, good going lord boomer

[–]jedikraken 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They should tell anxious people to stop worrying next

[–]Playisomemusik 6 points7 points  (2 children)

"it's my thyroid" not the 2 double quarter pounders with cheese

[–]veovis523 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Were it so easy...

[–]DasEvoli 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How about reducing taxes on low calories food items? :)

[–]flintville260 1 point2 points  (0 children)

McDonalds have left the chat…

[–]B3eenthehedges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I say England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston.

[–]Mechanized1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Or ban sugar and excessive preservatives from food and actually care of it's people instead of being a chastising parent.

[–]ActivisionBlizzard 3 points4 points  (1 child)

People shit on this but imagine if unhealthy food came inside unappealing packaging with health messages like cigarettes, that would definitely do some good!

[–]mrstruong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LMFAO, oh I'm sure that will help. Problem solved! What a brave stance. Because it's not like obese people have people telling them to eat less all the time or anything.

[–]Fidelis29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That would hurt people’s feelings!!

[–]Akiraoo -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Personal responsibility. We don't teach this in the U.S public education system anymore. If someone is eating unhealthy and making poor choices. Then that is their problem. The only exception is if the person has a medical condition that causes obesity. Then we need to help our fellow person out.

[–]RockinSocksII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The US public education system that taught people that grains should be the basis of the food pyramid? I'm sure they're well versed on the subject of healthy eating.

[–]Devil4314 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Imagine a government that minded its own business. I should be able to do anything i want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else.

[–]Piccoroz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Holy shit, that solved the whole problem.

[–]HopHunter420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a very difficult line to tread, with enormous mental health implications, but it is important not to let body positivity become obesity acceptance.

If you're obese, then you are ill, and you should be told that, and given help to rectify it.

[–]WillemDafoesHugeCock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And here I was like a fool thinking Rob was short for Robert.

[–]herrbz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You wonder how people like this become Lords.

[–]zacw4328 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The government shouldn't do it. They should stay out of peoples personal lives. People can only help themselves and that is only when they will choose to actually change.

[–]AlsoNotTheMamma 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'd be all for this is overeating was the cause of obesity. Unfortunately, more and more evidence is coming out that points at other factors.

Ironically, I've read a few studies recently which point to obesity being the cause of overeating.

Ultimately, obese people really should eat better, but often that doesn't mean eating less. And a far, far more effective strategy is to exercise more.

[–]Curtis_Low [score hidden]  (0 children)

The old joke on fitness forums is you can't out exercise a bad diet. Exercise is great, but without a semi decent diet it won't get the results it should.

[–]The_Bogan_Blacksmith -1 points0 points  (4 children)

LOL obesity problem solved.... just eat less. Got it.