Episode No. 5 recap: "The Ultimate Fighter 11: Team Liddell vs. Team Ortiz"

Episode No. 5 of "The Ultimate Fighter 11" starts with a review if Jamie Yager's episode No. 4 win, the first victory for Team Ortiz. While it's noted that losing fighter Charley Blanchard may have been suffering from a but of an ankle injury that made life difficult, Yager's scrambling ability and powerful right hand are unquestionable.

Back at the house, Yager, MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) blogger Brad Tavares, Kris McCray and Kyle Noke are busy trying to figure out who might secure the season's two wild-card spots. There have been four losers so, far, but Clayton McKinney's shoulder makes him ineligible for a slot. Blanchard says he's injured, so he's likely out, and Noke thinks that the quick loss Blanchard just suffered probably would have left him out anyway.

Add to that the fact that winner Rich Attonito is out with an injury, and Kyacey Uscola and James Hammortree feel their odds are looking pretty good at a second chance do far. Of course, anything can happen as the season unfolds.

At the gym the next morning, it's fight selection time. It's coach Tito Ortiz's first chance to select a matchup, and UFC president Dana White believes it's time for the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" to go on a roll. Ortiz selects McCray, who the coach says has asked for the fight, and matches him up with MMAjunkie.com Radio correspondent Josh Bryant.

The staredown shows Ortiz is the much big fighter. Uscola writes him off, but Bryant's teammate, Joe Henle, says it's important not to write him off.

Back at the Team Liddell practice, coach John Hackleman gives his crew a pep talk and lets them know that losses happen, but when 100 percent effort isn't given, that's when regret becomes an issue.

We get to meet Bryant in a video montage. Although written off by many on the opposing team because of his attitude, Bryant said a tumultuous childhood makes him the perfect candidate for a professional cagefighter. Sporting a 10-0 record (11-0 if you count his entry into the house, he says), Bryant says he knows he'll lose at some point, but he wants to make sure he does it in a respectable manner.

Coach Chuck Liddell vouches for the toughness of his fighter, and he believes Team Ortiz is underestimating him. Liddell admits Bryant is an interesting individual, and he's amazed by the jolly manner in which his fighter cut weight.

Meanwhile, McCray also brings an undefeated mark into the cage. "Savage" says he likes to set a torrid pace early and finish his opponents when they break. Ortiz says McCray has been a pace-setter in the gym, and he's appreciative of his fighters' willingness to do work.

On the other hand, McCray's teammate, Uscola, thinks perhaps the workouts are a little too grueling. Uscola says it's simply not possible to put in that much effort in practice and still perform at your top potential during a fight. He also suggest McCray is too inexperienced to realize the toll that's being taken on his body.

Back at the house, McKinney appears to be awakening from a drug-induced stupor. His injured left shoulder – which he had been accused of exaggerating – required surgery, and he went ahead and got the procedure done. His arm in a sling, McKinney asks Hammortree for some assistance urinating. Hammortree politely declines.

The guys weigh-in for the fight, and Liddell apologizes that he has to leave for the day, but Hackleman insists "The Iceman" will still be calling the shots.

Following a Team Ortiz practice, the head coach apologizes to McKinney for disrespecting him and questioning his will. It's an honest moment, but McKinney responds with a middle finger – after Ortiz has walked away, of course. The drama stops there, and it's now fight time.

Bryant's here to prove he belongs. McCray wants to make quick work of his opponent and put $5,000 in the bank.

JOSH BRYANT VS. KRIS MCCRAY

The fighters trade a few shots to start, and McCray flies in with a knee. Bryant avoids much damage and clinches briefly. Neither fighter has an advantage, and Bryant breaks away.

On the restart, McCray lands a few solid punches and finished with a kick to the body. Another knee finds the mark, and the pair moves back into the clinch. McCray tries to drop for a takedown, but he can't elevate. A second effort a trip earns the desired result, and McCray takes mount. Bryant rolls, and McCray takes the back, even as his opponent stands. Bryant tries to slide out the back and nearly leaves an arm in, but he eventually works to his feet.

Both fighters trade uppercuts from a collar tie, though McCray continues to mix in knees. McCray tries again for a takedown, and he eventually gets it to the floor, though only briefly. Bryant continues to scramble free in each situation, though McCray keeps the pressure on consistently.

The action isn't high-paced, but McCray is controlling the majority of it. Bryant spins to top momentarily, but McCray again reverses and lands a right hand to the jaw. The pace continues to slow in the final minute. McCray throws some tired punches to the gut, but both fighters look tired. Bryant looks for a single in the closing seconds, but it's obvious McCray has taken the round.

As round two opens, it's obvious McCray has a bit less pep in his step. Nevertheless, Bryant has yet to really open up. A jab changes that, and right hand follows. Bryant lands an uppercut in the clinch, then a knee. McCray looks stunned by the blows, though he answers with a kick to the gut.

The two clinch, and Bryant lands a left that knocks McCray's mouthpiece out, then another stiff hook. Hackleman goes crazy in the corner yelling for more. McCray does answer with a nice knee in the clinch, but Bryant takes him down and works to the back. McCray on his knees, and Bryant grabs a crucifix. He rolls to the side, and the pair return to their feet.

Bryant again lands a solid shot with his hands then moves to the clinch. From there, he elevates McCray and slams him to the floor. Both fighters tiring on the floor, but Bryant working more. McCray digs deep and drags Bryant down and sets up in his guard.

McCray throws a few punches to the body and head on the ground, but there's not a ton of zip on the shots. Bryant works an open guard underneath, and he looks for an armbar with seconds left. His legs slip off, and the round comes to an end. It appears the fight is destined for a third round, though Hackleman seems to think Bryant may have won.

McCray collapses in his corner, while Hackleman keeps Bryant moving. NSAC executive director Keith Kizer quickly signals that the two will indeed head to sudden victory.

As the third opens, McCray looks exhausted. Still, he does press forward ad engage a clinch. Bryant spins off and pushes his opponent into the cage before dropping for a single leg takedown. McCray locks in a kimura grip briefly to defend, but Bryant eventually works him to his knees.

McCray pops back to his feet, but Bryant lands a few uppercuts inside. Bryant again looks for a takedown, but both fighters push to a stalemate. There's very little action at the halfway point of the frame. Both fighters look tired, though Bryant sneaks in an occasional punch to score points.

Referee Herb Dean call for a restart with a little more than a minute, and Bryant again lands a few heavy punches the stun McCray. The fight moves into a clinch and onto the floor, and Bryant is in top position. He look for a rear-naked choke with just seconds remaining. It appears tight, but McCray fights until the final bell. Nevertheless, the result seems apparent.

The scores are read, and Bryant is awarded the unanimous decision.
  • Josh Bryant def. Kris McCray via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
McCray collapses on the floor after the decision is read. Tavares and McCray help him to the locker room, and Ortiz is beside himself at the results. Ortiz credits Liddell's success to a lucky "rabbit's foot up his ass."

Team Liddell is now 4-1, and they once again have control over the matchups.

Catch new episodes of "The Ultimate Fighter: Team Liddell vs. Team Ortiz" every Wednesday at 10 p.m. ET/PT on Spike TV. MMAjunkie.com will recap each episode of the reality series, and full series coverage can be found on "The Ultimate Fighter 11" page.

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BARENUXXX on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:00 pm ET
this fight wasnt that bad, but these guys were gassed, and didnt have any technique
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:03 pm ET
What a terrible episode...*yawn* ... Kacey is an idiot all around no matter which way you look at it...and what was up with the green haired dude giving Tito the finger behind his back after Tito apologized? Ive always despised Tito, as i have Chuck. I think the only time i root for Chuck is when he fights Tito. After the whole Jenna thing, i feel for Tito. I would cheer for him over Chuck if it were to happen again. I really cant stand Chuck.
 

kimboalexander on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:44 am ET
I'm not a big mckinney fan - but I have my doubts about how sincere of an apology that was. I mean coming from a douche like Ortiz - maybe it was as sincere as he can get - but right after the apology during ortiz's interview about it he said - yes, it was big of me....like he is congratulating himself for apologizing for being an ahole to someone.......seriously, do you pat yourself on the back when you apologize to someone for your screw up because of how "big of you" it is?   Tito is a douche, and I am betting that middle finger was just for his general attitude and not specifically just that apology, as fake as it was.
 

perfecthatred420 on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:27 am ET
i couldnt agree more
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:01 am ET
I don't know, I kind of caught Tito saying something about being the "bigger man" or something like that during his talk about apologizing.  I wonder if much of Tito's coaching is just an act for the cameras.  At least he apologized.
 

realist on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:26 am ET
Shadow Boxing I agree with you.  It's tough to admit when you're wrong especially for Tito and to give him the finger after he apologized is just an A hole move.  That kid, I think his name is Clayton, has been like that all season though so I'm not that surprised.
 

rwilkie on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:01 pm ET
i think its funny how Dana and Tito questioned Chucks picks, yet Chucks team keep winning :O!
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:06 am ET
The Iceman seems to be having the last laugh so far.  He also taught us something about picking fighters: Don't just look at how big they are, look at who they have fought and beaten.  Chuck and Hackleman apparently went on the internet and researched all of their picks and seemed convinced that most of their fighters could beat Tito's.  So far, he is right.
 

flyonthewall on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:05 pm ET
definitely the worst fight so far. borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring $hit.
 

SilvaBullet on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:02 am ET
wat a boring month of fighting weve been treated too this month all around, just god awful- takedown, hold on tight, takedown, hold on tight, stand against the fence, hold on tight; it honestly does look exactly like when me and my buddies get a lil drunk and wrestle out in the backyard
 

mmablaster on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:07 pm ET
I enjoyed the episode and the fight.  From the way it is editted it looks like Tito is doing way too much cardio, especially when these guys have to fight 4 times in a little over 6 weeks if they are making it to the finals.

As for the fight, lots of wrestling.  Hackleman was correct for yelling at Bryant to punch more.  Heck of a performance by Bryant in the third round.
 

Beaun on Apr 29, 2010 at 8:55 am ET
I agree, he was landing some good shots, but was obviously gassed and wanted to push him against the cage to rest. If he had just pushed through in the second round and kept it standing he could have ended it right there with a KO.

On a side note, what is with Hackleman telling him he won the fight and to walk around, all Bryant wanted to do was sit down, I thought for sure it was going to come back to bite him, but it didn't.
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:09 am ET
I agree, I forget which one of his fighters was talking about how hard he was working his fighter right before a fight.  Overtraining can be death in the Octagon.  If Tito was smart, he would have let his fighter ease off for a day or so (at least) before he had to fight.  That much work, plus cutting weight, is extremely hard to overcome--you are basically going into a fight "spent".
 

YukonCornelius on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:13 pm ET
Uscola is a CANCER...
 

mmablaster on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:15 pm ET
Uscola a cancer?  Why?  Because he is stating the obvious that Tito is overtraining them?  If 2-3 days out Tito is draining McCray that is stupid.

If you are talking about the Yager situation, he should have apologized.
 

coreymb on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:28 pm ET
Is he overtraining them or is he trying to get his fighters in shape?

Look at all the years on TUF(well almost all), many times when the second and overtime round(especially overtime) the guys are gassed. It's almost sad and Uscola can't handle it clearly. You didn't see anyone else complaining about the training besides for him.

Tito may be hated as a fighter but he is an amazing coach as we have already seen. Many big name guys have gone up to big bear to train with him as well...such as rampage.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:34 pm ET
+ 1 Yea Uscola is an idiot. Over-training? Get real. They're in the house for 6 weeks...what are they supposed to do, sit around and drink for a couple days in between sessions? They are there to train, get banged up, beat up, train some more and exhaust themselves in their pursuit to win the contract. Over training? phhht....Uscola is clearly a whiny little girl in regards to everything.
 

dawgbone on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 am ET
Yes they are supposed to train, but at the same time they are supposed to peak in time for their fight.  These guys don't have that option because they have to fight and get to weight multiple times within 6 weeks.

Is overtraining a possibility?  Damn right it is, especially in a condensed schedule like this.  There's a reason pro athletes don't maintain the same training program during the season as they do in the off-season... your body just can't handle it.
 

mmablaster on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:36 pm ET
Guys go to Big Bear to train, but they pull back substantially immediately before fights so they are completely recovered by fight time. 

 

mmablaster on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:42 pm ET
What do they have to do for 6 weeks?  Fight 4+ times to make the finale maybe?  You have to balance recovery time and training if you are going to be a good coach.  Chuck seems to be working technique with his guys.  Tito seems to be running his guys into the ground.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:47 pm ET
TV editing. If they never showed the clip of Uscola whining, the thought NEVER wouldve even occurred to you. Plus im getting you didnt get my point, they have 6 weeks to achieve their ultimate goal. Its not a normal situation, they go into the house fighting their way in, and then fighting up to 4 more times within that process, meanwhile getting ushed to their limit by elite fighters as coaches to gain as much knowledge and strength and technique as possible. If Uscola is too lazy to train hard, even though he doesnt have a fight coming up...tough luck. Nobody else has said anything, and from the footage ive seen i havent seen Tito doing anything extraordinary. Like i said, the thought only occurs to you because Uscola is a little girl and has been talking sh!t about all his teammates and his coach from day 1. If a fighter feels he's over-training PRIOR to a fight and he needs to rest, then speak up. Uscola's lame arse isnt even fighting. He just opens his mouth to get attention from my perspective. He's irrelevant.
 

coreymb on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:52 pm ET
Nicely said.

Good point on saying if Uscola never brought it up or if it was edited out we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Tito is a great coach and their is no denying that. Like I said many guys on TUF are not in tip-top shape and gas themselves out in the first..then people complain that the coaches aren't doing their job. Now, Tito is training his fighters like he should be and you get people complaining that they are "overtained"?!

He is preparing these guys physically and mentally to handle all out wars. Many of his guys need to boost their cardio, sills and overall knowlege and it shows.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:02 am ET
Thx. Exactly, i think in this situation ( being on TUF ), this is the way you weed out the ones who cant hang. Uscola imo has clearly shown he's not cut out for this. He's definitely NOT a team player, he trashes his team-mates and shows shades of racism and trash's his coach when Tito was 100% behind him for his fight and has been training him as a favor, this guy feels like everyone owes him something. He's mentally weak all around and we also witnessed it during his fight with the illegal knees and then his ridiculous reaction when the decision was made. He refused to cheer his teammate on and even said he would like to see Yager sent to the hospital, meanwhile he was lecturing Yager that he should be a 'team player' first and foremost. He's ALREADY whining about the training and he doesnt even have a fight coming up. Someone stated earlier that Uscola is a cancer and i couldnt agree more. Not only is he irrelevant but he's a negative force and distraction to his whole team. These guys are there to train as hard as possible and prepare themselves, not pu*sy foot around and just get air time. If they cant hang in training, this is not the path for them.
 

coreymb on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:20 am ET
Yep I agree.

I've seen some of Uscola's fights and when I heard he was going to be on TUFF I thought it was a bad call. I've never been impressed with him.

People gave him props for fighting guys he shouldn't of been and saying that's why his record is bad. If anything that's just foolish. Why would he be fighting guys that can easily beat him?? The bigger name guys he fought he lost very early in almost all bouts. 18-15 just does look that good!!! :)

And then with all the things you said, I just can't back this guy. He's horrible on all levels.
 

Fenja on Apr 29, 2010 at 3:48 am ET
Yeah. Racist. He was rooting for guys on the other team because they are "brown." Oops. No, that was Yeager. But hey, you can't be a racist if you are a minority.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 6:18 am ET
The real question is...if you're going to criticize me, then why did you skip over the other 20 points i made about him? Sensitive much?
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 6:31 am ET
And just to cover the whole minority thing....Listen to the word you are using, MINORITY...meaning, there are fewer of 'them'. Big difference is, sure there's a bond between the 3 or 4 of them but they are just showing LOVE for one another...i havent heard Yager or any of the other 'minorities' show any signs of HATE. Uscola doesn't seem to have any love for anyone (even on his team) and his attitude towards Yager was HATEFUL. Yager supported Uscola during his fight after his rant to Yager (Yager accepted his rant and acknowledged it), then he turns around says he wants Yager (his team-mate) to get smashed and end up in the hospital. That type of HATRED seems a little extreme don't you think? He refuses to admit when hes wrong or apologize, he wont support his team, he's a big ball of negative energy and a distraction. From what ive seen, the 'minorities' are trying to actually bond with the team and support their team (with or without their 'special' bond). Wheres the hate? Uscola has hate. And everything else i mentioned above which you so happened to skip over conveniently. But anyways, i dont really care...just stating the obvious.
 

bmc24 on Apr 30, 2010 at 1:36 pm ET
While I agree with you that Uscola is a worthless addition to the show, that was Nick Ring who was talkin to Yager about rooting for the other team. I cant imagine Yager ever agreeing with anything Uscola has to say haha
 

kimboalexander on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:52 am ET
nicely put? He points out to the guy he disagrees with that clearly he isnt paying attention, its just the editing, and he wouldnt of thought about it otherwise......and then goes on to unequivocably say that NO ONE ELSE HAS SAID A THING.........maybe several people have said it, or mentioned something similar, and Uscola is just the one who came out and was really upfront about it?  Maybe there is going to be a confrontation between Uscola and T ito about it on a future show - maybe its why tito isnt on the show - maybe its a 100 things  - maybe you are 100% right -  maybe you should listen to what you yourself say about the editing before totally disregading this as a possibility though.

I think it is just as likely that Tito is pushing them to hard before their fights as it is that Uscola is a whiny baby.

As far as over-training - I think in a format like this it is entirely possible they overtrain.  Tito made a comment early on about the one thing his guys wont do is gas in fights and have bad cardio.  6 weeks is enough to put a dent in your cardio, if your fight is at the END of that 6 weeks.  If your first fight is at the beginning of that 6 weeks, and Tito just finished running you into the ground to build up your cardio, I find it very possible that you gas after the first round, just like Mccray did, because Tito ran you to much immediately prior to the fight.

IF this is what happened, Mccray can look at the bright side.....at least in 6 weeks he will have better cardio.......nice door prize for losing his fight because he was OVER TRAINED the first week.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:09 am ET
Theres flashes of some good points in your paragraph...but i think you're too stuck on making assumptions and then turn around and give me a reason for why you believe that. No difference between what i just did, except im leaving the speculation out of it. YES, those are all possibilities, but what is your point? I said if he hadnt said that THIS episode, no-one would be thinking about it. I havent seen next weeks episode yet so im not trying to be a know-it-all or just throw EVERY single possibility out there. I think we get it, the show isnt over yet so many things could happen. As far as the over-training thing, it COMES with the territory when you sign up for TUF. If you're going to whine, gtfo of the house and let someone who wants to be there to come in. Uscola is a sac of turd. For all the reasons i stated above. No speculation, just from what ive seen. Yes, MAYBE Uscola is actually a saint in real life ( not bloody likely) but why even go there? Im going by what i'm seeing. And the over-training thing, we witnessed what happens when a team UNDERtrains with Rampage last season. All they did was goof and train very casual. If Tito's team cant keep up with the training, they cant hang as a fighter, its common sense.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:13 am ET
And i already covered the IF any fighter who has a fight COMING UP feels like they're being over-trained, im sure they can speak out for themselves. Uscola doesnt even have a fight coming up. Hes just a bitter b!tch who yaps his mouth. He was being lazy so he decided to throw it on the team from what i saw. He's not fighting next, so wtf is he complaining about?
 

kimboalexander on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:58 am ET
tbh - if you can read the stuff you posted, and then with a straight face say that you are leaving speculation out of it....well........I think our conversation is done.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 3:34 pm ET
When someone is stating their opinion, there is no doubt going to be a little speculation involve, especially regarding a tv show. But what i refrained from was trying to predict the whole outcome and list 978 different possibilities for what COULD end up happening. Thats the difference. Im just going by what i saw in the few edited clips. But yes, this convo was done prior to this.
 

dwhuston on Apr 29, 2010 at 8:42 am ET
If Tito was putting his guy through the training shown the day before the fight he is not a great coach.  He might sound like one but that is not something you can do the day before a fight unless you are in unbelievable shape.  Neither fighter was in that kind of condition.
 

brokensmile on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:32 am ET
I look at TUF show fights as basically glorified hard sparring sessions.  The guys are only there for 6 weeks to see who can make it to the finals, then they get a couple months off to go home and train how they want for the finale.  Seeing those guys whine is pretty irritating, "Tito is working us too hard"  call the wah-mbulance.  UFC guys do 6-12 week training camps to spiral up to peak at a particular night, during that camp they train hard, with tons of hard sparring to help get them ready for the fight.  These guys need suck it up and take advantage of the opportunities they have.  It's been proven that you don't have to win the damn show to make it to the UFC, but being a frigging crybaby is prolly guaranteed way to make sure you're not invited back to the big show.
 

dawgbone on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:58 am ET
You provided your own counter point without even knowing it.

Guys in the UFC do 6-12 week training camps to get to 1 fight.  These guys are doing 6 weeks for multiple fights.

Guys in th UFC who do these 6-12 week camps also understand the point about reaching your peak at the right time, which is why there are peaks and valleys to their training camps.  They'll take multiple days off in between to recover and to boost performance.

There's a huge difference here.
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:12 am ET
Do you run a Marathon right before entering another?  Are fighters allowed to take fights the day after fighting?  Disregarding injuries, the deficit on a person's system is immense.  Tito is right to train his fighters hard, but not right before they fight.  He had the hammer, he could have backed off on his fighter's training, knowing he was going to fight, and given him a big advantage in "gas" for his performance, greatly improving his chances.
 

ScubaSteve on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:19 pm ET
If Bryant won the first two rounds why did it go to a third?

 

mmablaster on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:24 pm ET
McCray won the first round.  Bryant won the second and then third.  All the judges scores and my score were 29-28 for Bryant.
 

ScubaSteve on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:26 pm ET
The article says Bryant won all 3 rounds
 

ScubaSteve on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:27 pm ET
my bad reading it wrong
 

verne777 on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:25 pm ET
He didn't win the first round
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:23 pm ET
good fight on josh's part. i was wondering why everybody was thinkin mccray was going to smash that dude. i havent been impressed by him at all. josh saw what he needed to do after the first roung so he did it. mccray looked like crap in the 2nd and 3rd. it might haveto do with titos training. i agree with his training but whoever is the next fighter need to chill a little bit before the fight and try to get their stamina back. that was most of mccrays problem. josh was throwin some bombs. he just wasnt consistent with it
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:25 pm ET
mccray had the first round in my eyes. after the 1st, it was all bryant
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:29 am ET
McCray's arms were shot after the first round.  Notice that Bryant had all the snap to his punches in every round where he actually stood and traded.  If Bryant was smarter, he could have finished the fight by constantly separating and delivering punches.  Whenever he hit, it had a visible and audible "pop"--he has a formidable jab.

Of course, Tito probably had McCray do 200 pushups directly prior to the fight, "Team PUNISHMENT!!!".
 

MMAjunkieX on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:26 pm ET
That fight wasn't terrible but was pleased to see Byant's ability to change his gameplan after the first round.  Honestly, I think the fact that Bryant landed solid shots on McKray was as much of a factor as the gassing during the fight.  I also do not like McKray personally seeing as he seems to egg on Yager. 

He is worst that Yager seeing as he seems to actually be the one causing most of the trouble then letting Yager hang himself with retard mouth.  I don't have a problem with those befriending Yager, but McKray obviously contributes to Yager douchiness.

Also, Tito is dumb.  Why in the hell was McKray fighting Bryant anyway.  Let us analyze this brilliant f*** up.
Tito has in order of ability 1. Nick Ring, 2. Kris McKray, 3. Seth Baczynski
Chuck has in order of ability 1. Josh Bryant, 2. Court McGee, 3. Jon Henrie
I personally believe that not only that Tito should have won the last 3 fights... but he should have done so easily.
Ring>Bryant, McKray>McGee, Baczynski>Henrie

Even if Tito was stupid enough to want to do the matchups as McKray vs. Bryant, Ring vs. McGee, and Baczynski vs. Henrie for whatever reason.  I don't know why he wouldn't do Ring vs. McGee first to garentee control for the last fights.  Cause if i was Liddell I would have McGee fight Baczynski again and win 5 out of 7 rather than drop both fights.

I must say the talent is seeming much less impressive than anticipated or it should be.  At least Tito's team and possibly Hackleman's (come on you know he's in charge) team are overworking these guys a little bit and it's showing in there performances.
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:32 pm ET
good post. i agree 99% unless u would agree that jon henle wont win a fight. its by a fluke he made it this far
 

kimboalexander on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:56 am ET
One of the things I guess I just don't get - and perhaps never will - is how, in such a short time - these guys can bond to the extent that they are acting like they grew up in the hood together.  Dana must want to pull his hair(scalp) out when he hears Tavaras, after 3 days in the house, say he doesnt want to fight his "boy".....I mean....if guys arent wanting to fight their "good friends" they have known for 3 days...no wonder he cant get team-mates who have known each other years to fight...........  I know what it is like to bond with someone in a high-stress situation like this.  I went to war with people I would die for to this day, some of who I did not know very well before we deployed, but even then, after 3 days.....I wasn't acting like they were my best friend since child-hood.....

just seems weird to me.........
 

golfer1081 on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:34 pm ET
  The fight wasn't that bad, both gassed pretty early(at least not like the heavy's), but most fights seem to go this way now. I was yelling at the screen however for Bryant to open up with his punches. He seemed to be picking him apart with his punches, and I agree with Hackleman, he should have just backed away and thrown. With some good conditioning Josh could be a well rounded fighter, he seems to have heavy hands and decent wrestling. McCray was a let down from all the hype he had going into the show, you could tell he's never been out of the first round.
 

retrofitting123 on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:38 pm ET
i thought it really sorted out the skilled vs the motivated , that combo and takedown in the last 30 secs said it all. Also, id really like someone to breakdown a potential dana vs chuck fist fight,thx
 

retrofitting123 on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:41 pm ET
golfer
i still have the same questions about carwin, 1 rd fighter but man hes 35 and not looking any younger,whats gonna happen when brock survives the bullrush
 

Beaun on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:03 am ET
He was landing some good shots and didn't seem to want to keep doing that. If he had pushed through the pain in the second he could have ended the fight with a KO or TKO, he was landing unanswered shots to the face.
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:38 pm ET
bottom line-bryant moved up a notch in my book and mccray got his ass erased
 

retrofitting123 on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:39 pm ET
yup read above post
 

MMAjunkieX on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:39 pm ET
I'm not sure if you are saying Henle will win or will lose, but my personal opinion is he can't beat Baczynski or Ring.  I've watched some of his past fights.  He relys far too much on his submission game.  Both Ring and Baczynski are definately better wrestlers than him and at the least are good enough in their submission games to avoid submissions.  Hell, I'd pick Ring to sub Henle in a 3 round fight. 


Fighters Henle could have beaten on Tito's team include Uscola (Very unlikely), McKenzie , and Yager and they aren't available opponents at this time.  Henle can't win at this point.
 

MMAjunkieX on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:41 pm ET
this post was meant as a reply to animalfighter reply on my post...
sry im a re-tard
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:43 pm ET
Really? Yager? I think he will be one of the finalists
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:45 pm ET
yager and tavares
 

retrofitting123 on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:45 pm ET
yea hes a super athlete , u can kinda tell by his physique(yager
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:48 pm ET
yea. to only be training for 2 years hes got raw game. i want to see what he can do on the ground. i would think that hes just gonna race to get back up. that will get him to the finals but wont get him very far in the ufc
 

MMAjunkieX on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:59 am ET
His ground game is not good there are videos on the internet showing showing that... that is why i believe henle could beat him...

That said i believe Yager would murder Henle; I'm just saying Henle could submit him do to his lack of submission game.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:39 am ET
Well thats exactly the point though. Hes only been training for 2 years. If he wins or even if he doesnt, this dude is a natural athlete like Jon Jones and Phil Davis...he has plenty room to become a contender if he keeps it up..
 

golfer1081 on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:20 am ET
  Would like to see him against a wrestler who isn't two wait classes under him first.
 

animalfighter on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:44 pm ET
thats what i was saying. the sub he got to get in the house was lucky as a 3 peckered dog at the pound. id save his fight for last so i could keep control if i was chuck.

im ready to see what chuck and dana get into it about. i bet dana wins that one. if u look close, dana carries a very small pouch at all times. it has chucks nuts in it
 

retrofitting123 on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:07 am ET
and a glock
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:34 am ET
If you drove a Ferrari as close to the border as Dana generally does, you would carry a Glock, too.  Or have an AR 15 in your back seat;)
 

cognito83 on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:10 am ET
I wish there was more house drama! The fights are GREAT, but they don't focus on the house as much as they used to.
 

hyper1 on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:53 am ET
Hopefully this was a decent attempt at sarcasm...If not, what the ???  Personally I wish they would do away with the house all together.  Watch MTV for some house drama!
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:18 am ET
LOL  - 2 cognito83 ...wtf? Please no more house drama...what are you tripping on?

+ 1 hyper1 ...switch over to mtv if thats what you want
 

jasonsp1853 on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:29 am ET
I feel the same way,  that house nonsense should be kept off the show.   All that imature "house drama"  makes MMA fighter look bad. 
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:37 am ET
Have you noticed how little drinking there has been in the house in the last 2 seasons?  Have fighters learned their lesson after Junie Browning, or did Dana finally give a speech about excessive boozing getting you nowhere in the UFC?  Oh, don't forget Jesse Taylor:)
 

dirtyboxer on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:17 am ET
I finally got a chance to watch the tuf show. And it wasn't really that interesting,kinda boring actually.
 

mackone on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:21 am ET
Yager in the finals, no doubt about it.  I'm sure that UFC has enough footage for a 2 hour show, why not show more of the happenings in the house, balanced with the training and the fights?  They did do it in the earlier seasons and the personalities and behavior of the fighters is important for a closer look at the life of MMA fighters.  That's part of the reason for the show right?  Sure there will be more drama, but this is TV and they do edit so, give it to us.  I don't want a "Real World" MMA version and it can be balanced.  Instead, we are given 15 minutes (a little more than 1/3 of the show) of footage of two fighters leaning against each other against the cage.  Ratings wise, I'm sure that Spike have do just as well if not better with a 2 hour show. 
 

kimboalexander on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:04 am ET
I recall a few seasons ago reading a study, I believe during Junie Brownings atrocious season, about who watches TUF.

You and I would like a pretty hardcore show about up and coming MMA fighters.  I would love to see a ton more training.  I would probably watch TUF if it was nothing but an hour of one of the teams training sessions :)

But, what I recall of the study, is that a decent size portion TUF's viewing audience are people who have never purchased a UFC event, and a majority are people who do NOT regularly purchase UFC events.

a few years ago I was visiting my parents and sat and watched on spike one of the seasons of TUF marathons, the comeback one with Serra and Shonie Carter on it.  My mom and Dad actually sat and watched a large portion of it with me throughout the day and neither one of them have ever seen an MMA fight and my dad still thinks it is WWE and fake.

If it were geared towards us hardcore followers the show would probably flop.
 

juvenal on Apr 29, 2010 at 7:13 am ET
Does anyone else watch the fight on mute? god dam I get sick of hearing Tito's dumb ass voice.
 

RollinBoulders on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:11 am ET
Hackleman was getting pretty annoying too...
 

darkmetal on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:40 am ET
Hackleman was giving out orders which weren't being followed, and should have been.  Back off and strike!

Tito lost at least one fight because he seems to intent on getting a takedown and establishing GNP.  If it isn't working, don't spend 3 minutes going for a takedown while your opponent punches and elbows you in the head. 
 

kwest on Apr 29, 2010 at 10:53 am ET
terrible conditioning for pro's...... very slow and boring.

are these guys over training or what? that fight was terrible
 

rw1060 on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:18 am ET
Agreed. McCray was already gassed by Round 2. Makes you wonder if Uscola in fact has a point with regards to Tito's training regime. At the very least, some of these guys are not getting into shape. Not sure if its overtraining or just plain old ineffective training. Or maybe the training regime is fine, but McCray is spending too much time eating Doritos and playing X-Box (off camera).
 

SSGogeta on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:35 am ET
They don't have TV's in the house, so we can dismiss the Xbox theory. Me thinks Kaycey was correct, Kris should have had a light training session since he was next to fight.
 

ShadowBoxingInSpace on Apr 29, 2010 at 6:24 pm ET
Actually they do have tv's in the house...if you recall on a couple of the seasons where they allowed them to watch a few things in the house, the TV's popped out of the walls of the house and by the fire place etc.
 

HandsofStone21 on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:50 am ET
You can improve cardio during TUF only to a small degree. This is short time for these guys. If this were a fight camp, you work to peak just before your fight, how can these guys do that in this time frame? Tito is missing the big picture by not applying a training regime to the parameters of the show and its time lines. He is doing things in condensed time period that fighters do over weeks of a camp. Pushing your limits without time for muscle recovery, recipe for a 4-1 record so far.   
 

SSGogeta on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:51 am ET
+1
Well said.....
 

milljer on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:31 pm ET
I think McCray was unconditioned and sloppy coming in. I don't think it was Tito's fault. Uscola is just looking for excuses.
 

TUFan on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:20 am ET
there hasn't been any exciting fights yet besides the prelims and yager's fight
 

HandsofStone21 on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:36 am ET
Tito did another great coaching job, take down, take down, take down, does he know anything else? He over trains the guys for the short time they have and then they exhaust themselves trying for take downs that may not be their strength.
AND..At least three times Tito yells knee and as soon as the knee came, he got caught in a double leg. Tito should know the knee is going to open the fighters base and make him vulnerable in that postition, but he keeps yelling for it.
I just can't figure Tito out, other than he has just one way of thinking and that's it. Rampage, T. Silva, Rua, Jones, almost all the 205's are capable of destroying him, not just beating him, but destroying him.   
 
 

AreYouReallySerious on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:39 am ET
Most likely the worst fight I have seen on TUF and maybe even ever.  I wonder how big hair yager is going to react not that his 'boy' lost (for those who want to complain about the use of the word 'boy' its the same word big hair used).

Has Tito ever heard of over-training?
 

SSGogeta on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:42 am ET
Boy......Hmmmm don't think anyone would've taken that out of context. But thanks for sharing
 

AreYouReallySerious on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:26 pm ET
You are welcome.  Thank you for also sharing.
 

HandsofStone21 on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:44 am ET
Chuck has stated, for the time they have their goal is take what these fighters do well already, and make that better. There is not enough time to teach them an entire new skill set. Wham..Bam 4-1. Dana did not understand his picks, Dana can you here Chuck now?
 

SSGogeta on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:58 am ET
I know Yaeger is labeled as the D-Bag this season, and rightfully so, but did anyone else laugh when Josh Bryant was walking to the Octogon and Yaeger yells out to him and does the Gladiator thumbs down thing.
 

AreYouReallySerious on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:12 pm ET
Nope, I didnt laugh at all.  I thought it was a DB thing to do and wonder what big hair would have to say if someone had done it to him.  My guess is he would have cried about it (especially if it wasnt one of his 'boys').

I guess big hair should have given him the 'thumbs up'
 

SSGogeta on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:17 pm ET
Hmmmm ..... ah nevermind
 

AreYouReallySerious on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:28 pm ET
You really like to hmmmmmmm
 

SSGogeta on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:29 pm ET
huh? Sorry I don't comprehend lame attempts at humor.
 

AreYouReallySerious on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm ET
wasnt an attempt at humor...was pointing out your lame illiterate writing abilities
 

paulywalnuts on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:58 pm ET
To me Yager is more obnoxious than funny. Cocky as well.  He's backed that up thus far but we'll see how he does going forward.  Personally, I hope someone decapitates him...
 

paulywalnuts on Apr 29, 2010 at 3:04 pm ET
BTW...congrats to Bryant.  I didn't see him winning this one.  His wrestling was good it seemed to me he needs to work on kneeing and some "dirty boxing" in the clinch wouldn't hurt...
 

phagina on May 01, 2010 at 10:21 pm ET
i agree with you that fruity bastard yeager could make it to the finals with some luck
 

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