UFC 125 official for Jan. 1 with Edgar-Maynard, Carwin-Nelson co-headliners

by MMAjunkie.com Staff on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:30 am ET
As expected UFC 125 will kick off the 2011 fight season when UFC lightweight champ Frankie Edgar (13-1 MMA, 8-1 UFC) rematches Gray Maynard (10-0 MMA, 8-0 UFC) in a championship main event on Jan 1.

Additionally, top-ranked heavyweights Shane Carwin (12-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC) and Roy Nelson (15-5 MMA, 2-1 UFC) meet in the co-main event of the New Year's Day show.

The event, which takes place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, was formally announced during today's new "UFC Ultimate Insider" episode.

The pay-per-view event also features a recently reported lightweight bout between Clay Guida (27-11 MMA, 7-5 UFC) and Takanori Gomi (32-6 MMA, 1-1 UFC).

Tickets for the Sin City show go on sale Oct. 23. (Stay tuned to MMAjunkie.com for further details, including pre-sale dates.)

Edgar and Maynard, of course, met once before, and it was the current challenger who came out on top. In that fight at UFC Fight Night 13 in 2008, Maynard delivered Edgar his lone career defeat.

However, Edgar bounced back with a pair of decision wins over Hermes Franca and former champ Sean Sherk, as well as a submission win over Matt Veach, and was awarded a title shot against then-champion B.J. Penn. Despite seemingly insurmountable odds against him, Edgar defeated Penn in a hotly contested UFC 112 decision and then did it again in more dominant fashion in August during a rematch at UFC 118.

Maynard, meanwhile, followed up his win over Edgar with a five consecutive decision victories over a murderers row of opponents in Rich Clementi, Jim Miller, Roger Huerta, Nate Diaz and Kenny Florian. Despite his undefeated record, the Michigan State University wrestler was passed over in favor of Edgar for the first shot at Penn.

Carwin hasn't fought since UFC 116, when he suffered a second-round submission loss to heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar. Carwin nearly ended the fight in the first round with a vicious barrage of punches, but Lesnar survived and then capitalized on a quickly fading Carwin to secure an arm-triangle choke and defend his title. Prior to the loss, the former interim champ had posted 12 consecutive wins, all of which came via first-round stoppage.

Like Carwin, Nelson also looks to rebound from a recent high-profile loss. The former IFL champion won "The Ultimate Fighter 10," which he entered as a heavy favorite, by knocking out Brendan Schaub in the finale. He then posted a 39-second knockout of Stefan Struve. But in a fight that UFC president Dana White said would earn the winner a title shot, Nelson dropped a decision to fast-rising Junior Dos Santos at UFC 117.

Guida, meanwhile, recently rebounded from a pair of losses to Diego Sanchez and Florian with submission wins over Shannon Gugerty at UFC on Versus 1 and Rafael dos Anjos at UFC 117. He now looks for his first three-fight win streak since he swept Samy Schiavo, "TUF 6" winner Mac Danzig and "TUF 5" winner Diaz from 2008-2009.

Gomi, a former Shooto and PRIDE champion once considered the world's best lightweight fighter, recently rebounded from a submission loss to Florian in his UFC debut with a swift, 64-second knockout of Tyson Griffin at UFC on Versus 2. The Japanese fighter now has won three of his past four fights.

The latest UFC 125 card now includes:

MAIN CARD
  • Champ Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard (for lightweight title)
  • Shane Carwin vs. Roy Nelson
  • Takanori Gomi vs. Clay Guida
  • Chris Leben vs. Brian Stann*
  • Nate Diaz vs. Dong Hyun Kim*
PRELIMINARY CARD
  • Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera*
  • Phil Baroni vs. Brad Tavares*
  • Antonio McKee vs. Jacob Volkmann*
* - Not officially announced

For more on UFC 125, stay tuned to the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.

(Pictured: Frankie Edgar)

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iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:39 am ET
Overall, this is a pretty decent card.

I hate to count Roy Nelson out of any fight, but just don't see him beating Carwin. Carwin is a true heavyweight, and hits HARD! Not to mention, Carwin is also a damn good wrestler, and will I doubt Roy will be taking him down, where he would probably have a slight advantage.  Roy will have his hands full for sure.
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:44 am ET
I agree this is a pretty solid card. I'm curious to see how Carwin does if this goes past the 1st Rd. although Roy doesnt look the part, we know his cardio is pretty good.
 

FireVixen on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:48 am ET
That would be an interesting poll to the public.

Which fighter has very good conditioning, and which fighter can gas within 3 minutes.

Then show a picture of Carwin, and a picture of Roy Nelson in all his glory.
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:51 am ET
It is funny how Roy can appear to be in such poor physical condition, yet have some pretty legit cardio in the heavyweight division.
 

FireVixen on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:57 am ET
It's similar to Fedor. 

Look at a guy like Kimbo who looks jacked as hell, but he was panting after standing still for 3 rounds against Houston Alexander.

Then Fedor who looks like your average plumber can smash Big Nog all over the place for 3 rounds, toss around Brett Rogers, or whatever.

Still Nelson's gut is so big he's carrying around extra weight (although he does use the gut as a weapon in certain cases), it takes more cardio to carry that thing around and throw bombs for 3 rounds and all the damage he ate in the fight.  He's definitely surprizingly very well conditioned.
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:05 am ET
I completely agree.

It has been said that without the gut, Roy would possibley be able to compete as a middleweight. While that may be a slight exaggeration, I think he definitely could make 205 if he lost the gut.

As you pointed out though, and as we seen against Kimbo Slice on TUF, Roy is actually able to use his gut as a weapon in certain situations.
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:12 am ET
Another one that always surprised me at their lack of cardio was Phil Baroni. That dude is huge, especially for a welterweight, but has zero cardio it seems like.
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:23 am ET
That's because Baroni liked to much of the Sauce.. And not the kind my Grandmother makes..
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52 am ET
baroni luvs the sawce..and plus cardio is whateva, when your the best eva!!!!!!! lol
 

DreamFighter on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm ET
Baroni only trains for 1 rd fights.  Or maybe half a rd. 
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:19 pm ET
who needs to train when ur the best EVAAAAAA hahahahahahaha that never gets old
 

alchippe441 on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:22 pm ET
Baroni? best ever? bahahahahahahahahaha. . . that was a good one.  That guy is possibly the only guy in MMA with a worse attitude then Koscheck.  But atleast Koscheck can back it up. 
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:38 pm ET
lol not sure if you got but im trying to make a lil joke bout his new yowrk accent....haha if you cool, lol we all know baroni sucks and i dont think its fighter bashing cause its pretty much true hahaha
 

Cycosis on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm ET
that new yawk to you buddy
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:13 pm ET
haha yup, if your gonna tawk like us..gotta get it right..
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:21 pm ET
lol fair enough ill be sure to do it the right way the next time i mention baroni hahahahahaha
 

PantyRaider on Oct 15, 2010 at 2:08 am ET
Maaaaaaaan get Leben off the fkn Main card and give us the Thiago Silva/Brandon Vera fight. WTF are they thinking?
 

TheCommish on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:21 am ET
The Commish was hoping for a Carwin-JDS #1 contender bout, but this matchup is certainly marketable.  One would have to assume the winner is only 1 more fight away from a title shot (despite the fact that they are both coming off losses). 

Silva and Vera on the prelim card??  That says either 1 of 2 things... Either these guys aren't the fighters The Commish thought they could be... or that the UFC talent pool is becoming so deep, that Dana has no room to put them on the main card, so they get the prelim card.  Here's hoping that #2 is the case!
 

TheCommish on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:24 am ET
And props to the UFC for sticking to their guns and making Edgar-Lay-n-Praynard the main event.  As long as they surrounded that matchup with good talent, people have no reason not to buy the ppv.

The Commish loves him some UFC, so he is buying every single card anyway, no matter who is fighting.
 

IB4U on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:32 am ET
25 mins a long time of watching.  5 five minute rounds of basically the same thing.

Now, who put T.Silva vs Vera in the prelims?  wtf..lol

Damn, that fight would make Main Even status on UFN card!!
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:36 am ET
Thats what im saying.  The guy is as exciting as it gets and would be a better main event then edgar maynard.  If i could jus watch the prelims on spike i wouldnt even buy this card.  See the thiago silva n baroni fight n head to the bar.  Only fight id be mad i missed if carwin roy
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:54 am ET
The asterix next to the names means the fights aren't even confirmed yet.  No use complaining about the Silva vs Vera fight. It still could be on the Main Card.

If they do a Spike Prelim i could see Nate vs Stun Gun  and Baroni vs Tavares

Vera n Silva make the main card..
 

DreamFighter on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:19 pm ET
They're both coming off losses.  And these days, Vera is not exactly living up to his moniker as "The Truth".  In fact, if he loses this one, it will be his third loss in a row.  
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:33 am ET
Its embaressing.  Not making them the main event woulda been a perfect way to indirectly say to both fighters.  WHat u do when u get into the octagon is wrong and fans deserve to see better.
 

IB4U on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:51 pm ET
IF he loses...he should go elsewhere like SF.  Dude needs to find the "TRUTH" about himself.
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:42 pm ET
Probably would be more like MFC or Shark Fights. Strikeforce isn't really in the habit of grabbing up guys that were cut from the UFC due to losses.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:02 pm ET
Ill always appreciate a B Vera fighting display over a mayanrd or edgar pointfighting/stalling strategy.  And thiago silva?  Enough said
 

dodo on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:19 pm ET
glad frankie has a challenge, was tired of seeing him beat B.J '  Penn. all the time. I think if they fought 100 more rounds, frankie still wins them all. i think its time for b.j to retire if he cant beat a WW gatekeeper like hughes
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:57 pm ET
Maybe, but wed kno jus like afetr both fights BJ wouldnt even have a scratch on him, just down on the cards.  It like half a loss
 

ctyn on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:39 pm ET
word.  And he didn't win all the rounds of the first fight, he won most of the rounds.  BJ probably could have beat him if he gave him lots of respect and then trained with the marinovich bros for four months behind the scenes, but he didn't so it doesn't matter.
 

basque on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:08 pm ET
the second fight is most telling, even after bj lost the belt, and knew he had to take it back, he got whipped worse the second time. BJ looked like he was ging to cry, its time for this spoiled mamas boy to retire, since he will never hold a belt again, think aldo could spot him 30 lbs and still beat bjs sorry ass, its bad enough he lost to a smaller fighter like frankie twice in a row. Sow much for bjs PnP RANKINGS. smaller fighters shouldnt kick your ass
 

ccarrillo on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:16 pm ET
what is the commish
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:03 pm ET
Why do you always refer to yourself in the 3rd person? Just curious??
 

SilvaBullet on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:14 pm ET
any chance we can get vera/silva on the main card and move that maynard fight to the undercard??  cant put it on the prelims tho cuz that would KILL any last minute impulse buys
 

IB4U on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm ET
Its possibe and can be done.  One org have done it.  lol...will UFC follow.
 

SLuBMan on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:27 pm ET
JDS is already #1 contender after cain, he earned that with the nelson win
 

GoGreen on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:16 pm ET
Junkie... How come there haven't been any peformity picks recently... I enjoy reading them
 

1badnic on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm ET
Yeah Junkie Whats the deal with performity?
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:54 am ET
Roy has a darn good chin too.  If it goes past the 1st Roy FTW.
Carwin has the possibility to stop the fight at any point though.
 

STRONGMAN123 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:44 am ET
I really don't see how Nelson could possibly beat Carwin. I would love to see Vera get a win but it probably won't happen.
 

FACELESSMAN on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:49 am ET
is shane's power on the same level of jds or is it more? 
 

TheCommish on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:00 pm ET
Only one person has kissed Carwin's gloves and lived to talk about it.

A few people have kissed JDS's gloves and lived to talk about it.

Carwin's hands are made of atomic bombs.  JDS's are made of C4.

Both are dangerously explosive, but The Commish gives his vote to Carwin.
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm ET
i think carwin hits harder...but i think the days of the super hws are done, carwin imo is too big he is slow when compared to guys like jds and velasquez, now brock is a freak of nature cause he is pretty athletic an pretty quick but imo the guys that are 240-255 range are gonna have more success then guys that are 280.

everyone thinks brock made the ufc hw division better, but he just made em get bigger.
 

GoDetroit88 on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:19 pm ET
Carwin was 255 in all fights prior to Mir and Brock to match their size.  I dont think he'll weigh that much against the other HWs bc they arent big.  I know Roy is 265 but its dough. Carwin can step in the cage at 255 and maul him
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:23 pm ET
i dont think soo bro, im pretty sure he cuts to 265, at least every fight in the ufc cause i know he walks around at 280
 

mmaelite177 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:46 am ET
I actually kind of disagree with you on the Carwin/Nelson fight.  For some reason I think this will actually look a lot like the Brock/Carwin fight.  Nelson is by far a better striker than Brock and won't be as scared to trade with Carwin.  I think we will probably see Carwin gas later in the fight (because after seeing Nelson take a 3 round beating from Dos Santos, I don't think Carwin will be able to knock him out) and at that point Nelson will be able to take him down and submit him. 
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:53 am ET
It's MMA, anything can happen, I just don't see Roy taking a beating from Carwin and staying awake.

I agree though, if he can outlast Carwin, and get him into the later rounds, his chances of winning become much greater.

It could turn out to be a good fight. I can't wait to see it.
 

mmaelite177 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:00 am ET
yeah, I don't think there is anyone who can take a punch from Carwin that lands flush.  I guess my thought process is that I don't think Carwin will be able to land punches that easy on Nelson.  JDS is probably one of the best boxers in the heavyweight division (aside from Kongo, but that is a different style).  Dos Santos has an extremely effective jab and really fast hands.  Carwin throws a lot of arm punches, but like Joe Rogan has said several times, they are like lunch boxes coming at your head. 

Also, do we know what kind of punch Carwin can take if Nelson lands a good one on the chin?  If I remember correctly, there were a couple times that JDS looked a little dazed from those haymakers that Roy was throwing.
 

GoDetroit88 on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:21 pm ET
its funny, pretty much everyone is saying the only way for Roy to win is to first take a major beating lol
 

Buddyboy on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:54 am ET
This card is going to be fireworks

I dont think Roy can take Carwins power, Roy is skilled but physique-wise he is a huge step below Carwin and its going to show when he cant get near him
 

Cycosis on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:04 am ET
Exactly how will his physique effect his ability to get near him? The only thing his weight could effect is his cardio and since that has already been proven, it has no bearing on the fight.
 

ShogunWasRobbed on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:16 am ET
It's a shame that the worst fight of the night will be the main event.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:30 am ET
Blame Dana white.  It be a slap in the face for the title fight to not be main event.  But edgar n maynard slap the entire UFC organization in the face every time the step n stall into the ring
 

Cycosis on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:55 am ET
Don't count Roy out of the grappling game though. He tends to do well against wrestlers. When he fought Monson he seemed to have reversing takedowns down to a science. Monson might not be as good of a fighter as Shane, but he is definately on par as a wrestler.
 

Buddyboy on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:00 am ET
And also much slower and much weaker

Carwin is 10 steps above Monson
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:14 am ET
True. Monson is a good grappler, but I would have to say Carwin is at a much higher level than Monson.
 

Cycosis on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:14 am ET
I wouldn't say 10, but you're right Carwin is a much higher caliber of fighter. But Jeff is a strong guy and the highest caliber wrestler I'd say Roy has ever faced. Even though he got robbed in the decision, He reversed just about all Monson's takedowns with ease. Also tripped him a bunch of times in the clinch, but I would guess he'd avoid the clinch with Shane. It doesn't matter anyway, I doubt Shanes even going to try and use his wrestling in this fight.
 

STRONGMAN123 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:43 am ET
I thought that there were rumors that Leben was going to fight Wandy? That would of made for a better fight. Leben beats two good opponents with in two weeks of each other and they give him Brian Stann? I also believe Akiama was ranked 10th when Leben beat him.
 

shut_the_Fitch_up on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:16 pm ET
From what I've read, if Leben beats Stann, he and Wandi will coach the next TUF.

This is a good card, but I'm gonna be upset if I miss Vera/Silva, better be part of the Spike Prelims Live.
That matchup is one of the best I've heard of in the last few months.
And glad Nelson is getting Carwin next, ought to be interesting to see if Roy can out-cardio Carwin and beat him in the 2nd or 3rd round.

The Hw div. is getting a bit limited, hope Mir fights Nog again (just not a headliner), and then maybe Kongo(when he beats Browne)-Barry Mitrone-Russow Crocop-Rothwell can sort the rest of the division out.  I still see all these guys below Nog and Mir's level, despite how little Nog has fought in the last two years.
 

dodo on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm ET
Carwin will K.O nelson, only person who can survive those fists is brock. Loking forward to seeing frankie get tested, B.J didnt give him much of a fight, and he didnt break much of a sweat beating  THE PRODIGY    5 rounds to 0. Frankie has gotten way better, even his wrestling,  think with his quickness, maynard wont take him down or hold him there.
 

hcjarric on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:43 am ET
Big Roy has better cardio, I could see him pulling the upset if he can last through the first round.  We've seen him take some big punches from JDS so we know he has a pretty solid chin.  Of course JDS doesn't hit as hard as Carwin.   Wouldn't be surprised if the winner of this fight gets to fight the winner of Brock-JDS.
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:45 am ET
What do you mean the winner of Brock-JDS? Brock has to get past Cain which aint happening. I would say the winner will get the brock since Cain is going to smash him.
 

discostick on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:54 am ET
I'd be interested to hear what your excuse for Cain losing is on the morning of the 24th.
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:59 am ET
I wont need to make an excuse because Cain is going to win.
 

hcjarric on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:57 am ET
Fair enough.  I jumped the gun a bit.  I wouldn't be suprised if the winner of this fight is next in line for the title after JDS.  Better? 
I guess they could put the winner against the loser of Brock/Cain but I'm thinking Dana will probably give carwin another shot if he gets just 1 win. 
I don't care really because any fight involving the top 5 heavyweights in the UFC(Brock, JDS, Cain, Carwin, Nelson) fighting against each other will be badass.
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:02 am ET
I agree with you there hcjarric. Any of these matchups would be fun to watch. I am just not a fan of Brock although I do like to watch him fight. Not because I dislike him, but I just dont see Lesnar beating Cain.
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:13 am ET
What he means is Brock is going to expose Cain.

 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:19 am ET
How is Brock going to expose Cain? What can Brock do better then Cain? Wrestle? will see, this is MMA
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:26 am ET
Reach, power, and wrestling.  We will see a new Brock out there.
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:45 am ET
Ok Neckvrack. Thats your opinion and I respect that. I believe Cains speed, cardio, and he is a technical fighting ability will be to much for Brock. Thats IMO but will see!! WAR CAIN!!
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:53 am ET
I forgot about speed...  They are both even in that department.
Cain has fought all these pretty slow HWs.
Kongo, not fast...  Nog, pretty slow for his size...  Big Ben, slow...
 

youknow9129 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:47 am ET
Brocks gonna get laid out by Cain
 

bjj_rage on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:43 am ET
this is going to be the worst main event in like for ever...
 

hitmanstriker on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:45 am ET
Sorry but Ortiz vs Griffin at ufc 106 was worse and the ufc 106 card was much worse than this card
 

FireVixen on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:46 am ET
The main event is going to set record levels boos. Edgar stuffs Maynards takedown, Maynard stuffs Edgar's takedown. Edgar stuffs Maynards takedown again, Maynard stuffs Edgar's takedown again.

Edgar circles Maynard.  Maynard circles Edgar. etc
 

iowa_fight_fan on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:55 am ET
LOL.....I would have to say you are probably correct.

Mix in a little bit of striking as well, with neither one having stopping power in their punches, and I think you just may have called it perfectly!!
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:57 am ET
Why does everyone continue to cry about Edgar? He is a great fighter and just whopped Penn twice. I know a lot of peoples feelings are hurt because their BJ got beat but move on. This is a good card and I think Edgar will get the W
 

marco10matteo on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:06 am ET
Penn is my favourite fighter, but i do not understand how everyone complains about Edgar ...

He's exciting to watch, the guy is always moving and he's brutal when it comes to wrestling/takedowns and so on. Although he may not have finishing power, or we haven't seen it yet ... the way he threw Penn like a ragdoll (even though i was disappointed at the time) was impressive. He outpointed Penn in the first fight, did enough/did more to win the fight than Penn did, and in the 2nd fight he totally dominated Penn

How many people have finished Penn? Hughes and GSP ... so, Penn is incredibly hard to finish ...

What a bunch of f**king complainers you guys are. Like Dana and every other fan like me say ... don't watch! Simple
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 am ET
Well put Marc.. Penn is a great fighter and like you said only two people have ever finished him. GSP and Hughes, two strong WWs. I just think Edgar deserves some credit after what he did. You can say what you want about the 1st fight, but the second fight was very impressive. Penn was ready for him the second time and i really thought Penn was going to take it to him. I'm still a little amazed at what he did to one of the greatest fighters ever.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:32 am ET
Because there broing and dont care about finishing.  Object should be get ur opponent out of the ring quickly as possible.  Not fight as safe as possible.
 

Lee_2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:59 am ET
Have you ever fought? I doubt it.. Its easy to say things like that when your sitting behind your computer. I'm not saying you have to be a fighter to understand MMA but fighting is just as much mental as it is physical. You cant always finish your opponent. these guys are all tough
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:56 pm ET
Not in a cage but i kno MMA still somewhat represents fights, even thogh guys like maynard n edgard r trying to turn it into "matches" where outpointing ur man is the main objective.  It not that they dont finish people, it that like john fitch, they dotn even try. There embaressing to watch b/c no one likes pointfighters/stallers. 
 

basque on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:13 pm ET
forget it lee, tards like snoman, will allways have an excuse when their fantasy but buddy b.j  penn loses. fact is B.J is overrated, he is a legend only in his own mind and his delusional fans, after maynard loses to frankie would like to see BJ fight him, if he loses again its time to retire.
 

ctyn on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm ET
Edgar's quick, athletic, nice guy, dynamic, but boring.  Nothing wrong with that at all, it's just not exciting for a lot of fans.  He fights smart and you can't blame him for that, but he fights for points.  He gets good points in with his takedowns and flurry punching, but in the end he doesn't even really hurt the other person.

That being said, his supreme cardio does make him the better fighter because if the fights went 10 rounds, BJ would only have gotten more tired and Edgar might have been able to TKO him or even sub him at a point of exhaustion.  I agree, if Penn wants to win, he needs to be better conditioned, that simple.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:04 pm ET
At leas someone isnt afraid to admit it.  But personally i think Edgar woulda been twice as tired from dancing around all fight if it went 10 rounds and BJ woulda done more damage wit 1 punch then edgar does wit 50.  N im from jersey
 

ctyn on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:06 pm ET
I agree with that too.  Unfortunately one of those unkowns..  I'm a big BJ fan too, so I would like to think he could land that shot or start to control the ground more when Edgar slows down.  Sucks we'll never know.
 

FireVixen on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:07 am ET
I'm not a Penn fan.

but I'm glad that circling and head fakes has been redefined as ass-whopping.

That first fight, I don't know how Penn wasn't unconscious from all those feints.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:39 am ET
Haha if thats sarcasm then i totallyl agree. Some guy dancing in front of u hitting u with pillow punches is an azz whooping?  IF Penn hit edgar with one real right hand at the end of the ifght it woulda done more damage then frankie did every other minute of the fight
 

UFCFanBoy on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:10 pm ET
"If Penn hit Edgar with one real right hand."    Well why didn't he then? He had a total of 10 rounds to do it, what was stopping him? I think the whole well IF this happened argument is dumb. IF Penn hit him blah blah blah, well he couldn't because of Frankie's footwork and head movement, so there's no if. You're statement seems to say, well if BJ did these things he would have won, but it's not as if he chose not do to them, Frankie didn't allow BJ to do those things.
 

hitmanstriker on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:44 am ET
Pretty decent card.
will most likely stay up till 6am and watch it.
Im pretty gutted that thiago silva vs brandon vera not on main card. But i see them properly showing it on main card after Carwin Dispatches Nelson in Round 1 with just 15 secs left to go at the end of the round.

 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:40 am ET
I agree.  Thiago silva vs vera would be a better main event then the two wrestlers
 

FireVixen on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:44 am ET
Why did they cancel Carwin-Hunt and put on Carwin-Nelson instead?

Carwin-Hunt would have been a great fight.
 

mmaelite177 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:48 am ET
For who? Carwin's family? McCorkle took Hunt down with ease and submitted him so fast. The only sweat Carwin would break would be in the dressing room during warmups.  Carwin/Hunt would be a horrible fight
 

FireVixen on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:51 am ET
Hunt may not be Jacare, but

He almost subbed Fedor, if Carwin got the fight to the ground, maybe Hunt could Kimura him.
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:22 am ET
Taking a guy who just fought in a main event for a belt (albeit he lost),
 against a guy who was on the prelims and got subbed quick is not a good sell.

It doesn't even make a bit of sense.
 

daddyx82 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:47 am ET
IDK, Nelson could definetly take Carwin out. As for the main event..man I hate Edgars face, his fighting style and his ridiculous grins he makes. Hope Maynard slams his head in the ground repeatedly like the first time they fought. Look at that r*****ed face he makes in that pic..terrible !
 

MacMan1984 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:58 am ET
Totally agree, don't like either fighter as they don't finish fights but want Maynard to win and then BJ Penn to take the title back.  He'd need to sort out his training camp/partners beforehand though!
 

daddyx82 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:50 am ET
I hope Edgar doesnt want to play slap face for the main event or that crowd is gonna get pissed fast
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:00 am ET
This is a great card. Very smart bookings... Alot of fan favorites on the main card leading up to the Edgar/Maynard title fight.  Crowd will be buzzing all night..

 

Millerpsud40 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:51 am ET
"followed up his win over Edgar with a five consecutive decision victories", wow is he boring. This could end up being the most boring title fight in ufc history.
 

MacMan1984 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:53 am ET
I can't wait to see Carwin vs Nelson, still reckon Carwin will bang him out whether it'll be by a head shot or a gut shot I don't mind!  Good card overall, would have thought Vera vs Silva was main card material though.....
 

mfaehn on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:54 am ET
I know I was called r*****ed on the last thread I posted on and it's not funny saying that when I have down syndrome.  However, I thought I'd throw my opinion out there anyway on this card.  Main Event will be boring as hell, unless Frankie can keep it standing.  This I doubt will happen, but we can only hope.  I think Big Country can upset him, he's very well rounded and doesn't GAS like the ROIDER!  The biggest problem with this card though is the Leben fight.  Why the hell is he not fighting a more name guy??  He just had two of his biggest wins and one he was supposed to get schooled in.  Actually, I think the UFC thought he'd loss both his last fights but Chris is no b****.  He should be fighting a contender, cuz whether they like it or not - he's climbing towards the top of the division again.  WHO IS BRIAN STANN?? 

Yours,
Milks

PS  I know who Stann is, but he doesn't deserve this fight.
 

mfaehn on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:59 am ET
*I'm not trying to say Frankie has great stand up, but I don't want to see Gray hump anyone anymore

Yours,
Milks
 

benman3321 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:14 am ET
i'll agree that few people are probably excited to see the main event, and by frankie keeping it standing by no means makes this an exciting fight. i expect frankie to do exactly what he did to bj penn the second time around.(which was so exciting, i walked out in the fourth round).and while i dont like it, i cant blame edgar for earning the w.
and i am curious..is roy nelson an underdog, because i wouldnt be surprised one bit if he took it to carwin. carwin has beat people who play his game -which is people not respecting his power in the first 3 minutes. nelson should realize and plan accordingly.
and the biggest problem w/ the card is a leben matchup?. sorry. the ufc is trying to build leben up again, and a win against anyone is just more padding.

and im still here.

yours,
benji
 

mfaehn on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:24 am ET
LOL, I'm just paying my respects sir.  And, I'll stop with the yours - if it's a problem.  My problem with Leben fighting Stann is that he just beat a guy who is given Bisping in a headliner spot.  He should of got a rematch with Bisping in my opinion and I thinked he'd KO Bisping the second time around.  Why is Sexy considered a headliner after a loss anyway?  Just to appeal to asains??

Yours,
Milks 
 

mfaehn on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:25 am ET
*LOL, i'm r*****ed - "thinked" 

 

benman3321 on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm ET
carry on, no problem.
im not saying leben should be happy w/ stann, or that is the correct thing to do as far as rankings go, but in the ufc's eyes they are building up a product. ex. john hathaway vs mike pyle. hathaway beats down sanchez and gets rewarded w/ someone people never heard of...

bisping vs. leben 2 would be exactly the same. bisping peppering and getting out of the pocket before leben can execute an overhand.
leben has looked good lately because people are standing and banging w/ him..and unless your name is anderson silva, leben has a good chance striking.

bisping and sexyama are headlining a free card, so i wouldnt get too worked up about that.
and sexyamas appeal is mass..to men and women alike. -seriously though, he is entertaining to watch, and does in fact appeal to asians/european markets. and listen to the crowd when bisping comes out. the ufc has built value w/ him, and he will be a headline/co headline everytime they hit london.

again, im not saying any of this is right, or that i like it, i am just trying to rationalize it and enjoy the product.

take it easy,
benji

in the pre fight press conference akiyama steps up to the podium and announces with a smile, "i am sexyama. thank you."
 

mackone on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:28 pm ET
ASIANS.  Not asains.  At least you didn't say Oriental.  Making some progress here.  And I don't think that they are trying to appeal to a certain demographic.  Akiyama was giving it to Leben until he got caught.  He is a damn good fighter.  Remember that not all matchups are about "worthiness" and win-based merit.  I'm sure that when Joe Silva was considering an opponent for Bisping, Akiyama was the best option in terms of a highly skilled opponent with a legitimate resume that style-wise would make for an exciting fight.  Akiyama is not a lay n pray type of fighter and makes for a good headliner opponent.  Beating Akiyama would legitimize his ascend to another title shot.  I agree that he lost to Leben and shouldn't be the main fight when Leben beat him and is further down the roster.  If anything, have Bisping fight Leben again.  But this should still make for an exciting fight. 
 

rw1060 on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:43 pm ET
The PC police have now deemed "Oriental" to be uber-offensive? I know its not the preferred term, but damn.
 

mackone on Oct 15, 2010 at 2:56 pm ET
No offense taken and it's not about being PC...the term oriental has a history of racism and condescension behind it when used to describe people of Asian descent.  Like "negro" or "ni#ger".  It's fine when describing items from Asian, such as oriental rugs.  I understand that people just don't know any better but that's the deal behind it.  And with more and more Asian or Asian American fighters coming onto the scene, I thought that this should be cleared up.   
 

mfaehn on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:08 pm ET
My bad on the spelling and I don't care if they are trying to appeal to more of Asia as a whole.  I like the expansion the UFC is doing - it's great for the sport.  But I'm just a little bummed that we get fed another Bisping main event.  It's a UK thing, I know.

Yours,
Milks
 

piprocksfedor on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:57 am ET
Kj noons would put a clinic on Edgar.
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:03 am ET
On how to be overrated. Yes. Absolutely..
 

mfaehn on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:05 am ET
Now that's r*****ed
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 am ET
LMAO!!!!  WIN!!!!
 

rw1060 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:07 am ET
Doubtful, although KJ is a good striker. Frank Edgar is elusive and wouldn't stand in the pocket with Noons like Diaz did. People need to lay off Edgar. He's technically sound, intelligent, and has great cardio and heart. There's a reason he beat BJ twice.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:42 am ET
I dont even like hearing he "beat him" more like outpointed him.  BJ and Frankie coulda both fought another 5 rounds after each fight.  Edgar jus doesnt kno how to beat people up, just outpoint them.  Thats why hes criticized
 

Steveows696 on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm ET
Out point him or beat him the only point that matters is bj had nothing for him and got BEAT!
 

rgunns03 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:59 am ET
i think this main even has potential to be a great stand up war actually with the wrestling canceling each other out...I don't get how people don't see how great of fighters these two are...edgars boxing was amazing against penn the way he out thought him and used his angles and speed it was a thing of beauty to watch and freddy roach said bj was the best boxer in mma..give the man his due...just cause he didnt knock BJ PENN out he catches all this crap for being a boring fighter are you kidding me...
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:05 am ET
haters gonna hate..
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:35 am ET
ur a good boxer if u can put people to sleep.  Not jus slap box people in the face.  We all kno bj is hard to put away but edgar couldnt put most fans away.  An we all kno were gona get multiple takedown attempts by maynard with 0 GnP if he gets them.  Styles make fights and title fight or not  these styles together have no reason to be a main event
 

Cycosis on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:57 am ET
Now thats funny, equating boxing skill with knockouts. Considering, you know, how often they happen in that sport.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:01 pm ET
If they fought with MMA gloves boxing there would be every fight n it would still be ten times as popular as MMA. MMA has the best gloves in the ifght game, but it a shame so many fighters afraid to let them go
 

Tubekid on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:57 am ET
Can't it be safe to say both fighters have evolved since their first meeting? And let's wait and see what happens rather then complain about it? 

If Edgar tries the same gameplan as the first time, then he is just dumb. So i doubt that will happen.. We will get a different fight for sure.... Let's just see how it plays out....
 

shnee3 on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm ET
just stop talking please, u sound nice
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:59 pm ET
Guess u some wanna be MMA fighter whos maybe 2 n 0 with 2 decisions similiar to edgar n maynards styles that put the 5 ppl u had watching to sleep.  Sorry to offend u
 

ctyn on Oct 14, 2010 at 7:27 pm ET
did you see the first fight between edgar and maynard?  We'd all love to think it's going to be a great fight, but people have not jumped on Frankie's nuts yet because he rarely finished his opponents, not just BJ.  Matt Veach, who the hell cares if he Rear Naked Matt Veach.  He's fun to watch, but his record proves he is thus far a decision winner, for the most part.  Just don't get your hopes up for a KO anytime soon.  Maybe a TKO, maybe.
 

Kizaru on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:01 am ET
Hope Roy gets the W.
 

CarpeNoctum on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:05 am ET
Hate to nitpick but wasn't the rematch at UFC 118 not 117?
 

SLuBMan on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:06 am ET
Nelson vs. Carwin, that's a tough call, I think that Carwin can knock Nelson out in round 1, and they may very well happen, but I think we may be in for another Carwin vs. Lesnar scenario. Nelson weathers the rd1 storm, and then sub's Carwin in the 2nd. Nelson has a good chin, good stand up, a great ground game, and let's not forget...the power of the mullet. I’m going with the underdog on this one, Nelson round 2 sub.
 

nicholas280 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:08 am ET
An uninspiring title fight and a good heavyweight scrap.  This is a solid average card.  Maynard and Edgar have combined for two finishes (if you don't include Maynard's NC double-KO as a finish) in their 17 separate UFC bouts.

It's still an interesting and very relevant fight.  I was sort of saddened to see that BJ Penn will fight Hughes instead of trying to win back his light heavyweight title.  I would have liked to see Penn fight someone like Florian or Dunham.  I don't deny that Edgar clearly won the fight, but Penn was never in any danger.  With Penn, you always get the feeling like his opponent is in danger.  I remember thinking that very thing in the 5th round of his last fight with Edgar.  That will always be the stigma for fighters who aren't finishing their opponents.

Before their first fight, if you had given me 50-1 odds for Edgar to beat Penn in back-to-back fights, I probably wouldn't have made the bet on Edgar.  I mean, 8-to-1 and 8-to-1 is 64-to-1, you know?  Now he's undeniably the champion and he stands a reasonable chance of beating Maynard.

That being said, the lightweight division is going to be in strange shape no matter who wins this fight.  If Edgar wins, he's beaten everyone but Florian.  And Florian has now lost to Penn and Maynard.  If Maynard wins, he holds two wins over Edgar, a win over Florian, and ... there really isn't anybody else left.  Penn is fighting at 170 and he's coming off of two losses to Edgar, so he's not really in the title picture.  I think everybody wanted Dunham to emerge as a title contender, but he had a setback against Sherk.  Nobody wants to see Sherk/Maynard, although that might be the most interesting fight to make at this point if Maynard wins.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Dunham will end up with the belt in about 18 months, but that's just because he knows how to finish fights.  When you're a finisher, you're going to get moved up in the pecking order for the title.

Let's hope that Sotoiropolous keeps winning and gets a shot at the title.  The three wrestlers (Edgar, Sherk, Maynard) are really good fighters, but not terribly exciting.

On the other hand, Carwin/Nelson should be a really interesting fight.  It won't have a lot of title implications if Nelson wins, but this is a great rebound match for Carwin.  Nelson hasn't faced too many mauling wrestlers like Carwin.  I came away from Nelson's fight with dos Santos wondering if anyone could knock him out.  We'll find out with Carwin.  Nelson took a lot of punches from dos Santos, but I'm not sure if he's going to want to try to dance the same dance with Carwin.   But if he gets Carwin to the ground, he has an enormous advantage there.

Roy was pretty disappointing on the show.  How could a guy with his pedigree in jiu jitsu not work for a submission against Kimbo Slice?  He had him in a crucifix and he was tapping him in the head, but why not just submit him with an armbar?

Anyway, this is an interesting fight.  I'll be buying the card for sure.
 

Redux on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:16 am ET
such a shame to see Thiago in the prelims... always been a fan of that dude.
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:30 am ET
We should see a quick k.o./t.k.o. from him though.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:43 am ET
Everyone is a fan of thiago and what dana is doing to him just isnt right
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:43 am ET
Everyone is a fan of thiago and what dana is doing to him just isnt right
 

NeckCrack on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:48 am ET
Agreed...  Two defeats both by former champs (Machida got a title shot after that fight).
I bet Thiago wins this.
 

marco10matteo on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 am ET
If Nelson beats Carwin, he's definitely near the top or a title shot ...

His loss to JDS is a loss, but he did more for himself by taking the fight to a decision, even though it was unanimous, he gave JDS a run for his money ... by beating Carwin, i see him 1 fight away ... probably Mir or the loser of the next two title fights Cain or Brock (in their fight or the next title fight against JDS)
 

marco10matteo on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:20 am ET
Nelson def Carwin

1st fight - Nelson def Mir
2nd fight - Nelson vs Brock/Cain vs JDS loser
 

ToeStomp on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 am ET
Why is anyone surprised that Roy has good cardio for a big guy?  All this guy does is eat, sleep, and drink carbohyrates!
 

grim_reaper on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:19 am ET
"Carwin nearly ended the fight in the first round with a vicious barrage of punches"

Yes, unfortunately Carwin was only barraging Lesnar's massive forearms and not his bucket head...so much for a barrage. Looked good, but not gonna get the job done. He should have picked and poked a bit more.

Nelson vs Carwin...very interesting fight. Really, Nelson has just so many good possible matchups for the UFC right now. This should be a good fight but Carwin needs to be ready to go more than one round.
 

Sno0man on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:29 am ET
How is thiago silva on the prelim card.  Fans would pay more to see him fight then any other fight besides carwin vs roy.  And i dont care if there fighting for two title.  Edgar vs Maynard has no right to be a main event on any ppv.  Gona be hard for me to buy this
 

IB4U on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:35 am ET
I bet you will buy it.  Silva vs Vera will probably be on SPIKE.
But that fight could easily make Main Even on a UFN card, IMO.
 

kmax1940 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:39 am ET
OK... everybody hated on Roy... now all of a sudden people are hatting on Carwin...

I am a big fan of both these guys... but I think Roy is gonna get KOd.
 

K2 on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:45 am ET
Lets go Diaz and Leben!!!! and Frankie
 

KneeBarOnBrock on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:57 am ET
Damn the fight that I'm looking most forward to (Vera/Silva) isn't on the Main Card!

But whatever. I hope Maynard wins this! For some strange reason I like him more than i like Frankie.... And damn to me the LW division sucks without Penn as the champ.

If Carwin can work on his cardio there would be nobody in the HW division who can beat him.. He is a monster!!!

Oh, and WAR DIAZ!!
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:58 am ET
one of my buddies is a pro fighter and i talked to him about bj....and he told me that bj only trained for about a month for the second edgar fight! self sabatoge....and i think nelson has a big advan in this fight he has proven cardio a proven chin and heavy hands, carwin as much as i like him has no cardio, and his chin while he has never been ko'd is imo in question after the gonzaga fight cause he was rocked bad before he ko'd gonzaga



one last thing ppl talk about roys belly, how it hinders him and takes away from cardio....well muscle weighs more than fat and carwin has alot of muscle, carwin is also 25lbs heavier then nelson i think roy could pull this one out as long as he takes it into the deeper rounds.
 

TheCommish on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm ET
1 lb of metal = 1 lb of feathers.

If they both weight 265, they both weigh the same.  The Commish isn't too sure how you can deduce anything else.
 

bigmark on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:18 pm ET
first off the both dont weigh 265, carwin walks around 280-290, but while a lb is a lb the size of the fighter is different a guy who is ripped up could be alot smaller  then a fat guy with no muscle that weighs the same...well carwin is bigger and has more muscle.


more muscle = less cardio

bigmark deduced that ish....lol you really gotta type like that?


I, IM, try those words out
 

MaTaLa on Oct 14, 2010 at 6:27 pm ET
"1 lb of metal = 1 lb of feathers"

Not when you get hit in the face with them. I'm going w/ the muscle. I think Roy is one of the smarter HW, probably due to this experience but I don't think even his chin will stand the test.
 

WuxiFingerHold on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:05 pm ET
Regarding  Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera on the prelims...I think Dana W is doing that to T Silva because he refused to fight Jon Jones a few months back. Silva said something crazy like Jones wouldn't be a step up for him at the time (yeah, right)...so the UFC gave the Janitor to Jon Jones, instead. I like T Silva, but he should've stepped up and fought Jones.
 

THETONY915 on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:05 pm ET
how can you not hate on carwin. all that talent and size and he gasses in a hw championship fight, in the first round no less. work to be well rounded or get run over. its the ufc people and brocks the f**kin champ? roy needs to lose the fat ass and he can go far if not cain, carwin, and a jds rematch will stop him in his tracks.
 

seanje on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm ET
i can already see dana on the countdown show..

"this is a really interesting matchup..."
 

seanje on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm ET
curious to see how he hypes it lol
 

xXThaidaXx on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm ET
graynard beat edgar already.....thats the hype i guess and only interesting point of the rematch.
 

shut_the_Fitch_up on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm ET
Dana: "For the Lw Championship headliner, we have a very interesting matchup with the best in the division!  We have the champ Frankie Edgar, the man that defied the heavy odds, beat Penn twice, and sent him packing to the Ww division, and we have the undefeated challenger Gray Maynard, who already beat Edgar a few years back.  It'll be the match to determine who is truly the best at 155!"

....can't do much better than that.  Add in some clips of Rogan getting excited and giving Edgar kudos, then some clips of Gray taking Edgar and some other opponents down, and yer set.
 

tkoartist1 on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm ET
Attention JOE SILVA

I would like to compliment you on the main card.  For the Hardcore mma fan it is phenominal, to the casual fan its solid.  I think you could of added one more star on the card, but its legit.   My only complaint would be that instead of Putthing Silva vs Vera on the spike prelim, I would of saved that fight for a PPV main card.  Silva is always exciting to watch and Vera likes to bang. Otherwise... A job well done.

Maynard
Carwin
Guida
Diaz
Silva
Tavares
 

shut_the_Fitch_up on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:25 pm ET
I agree but,
-Leben is supposed to be fighting next for a TUF position with Wandi, so I can see why that's not on the prelims
-There is no way Dana is putting Carwin or Gomi's next fight on the prelims
-Nate's matchup is a top contendership match, and Nate always fights to impress, so hard to say it doesn't deserve to be over Vera/Silva,
so as long as its free on Spike, I can't complain that they are putting an awesome matchup on the prelims.
Since Vera has alot to lose, and Silva has alot of ringrust, maybe they should just move this to 126 instead.

 

ThonolansGhost on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm ET
Weak main event (especially for a New Year's show), but the rest of the card is quite good.
 

Chris27 on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm ET
People saying its a solid card, I think its a very good card.

I know right off the bat when people heard the main event they figured oh this card will suck cause Maynard and Edgar but this is for the LW championship of the world, so that makes it big imo.

Then Carwin/Nelson is a big fight, good fight, Diaz/Stun Gun is great, Leben fighting, Gomi/Guida is a very interesting fight, Guida with his style vs GOmi with his power, great fight, then even Vera/Thiago and debut of Mandingo and Phil/Brad, someone probably is getting knocked out in that fight.

Only thing is if they do a prelim on SPike Vera/Thiago is the main event of that card, but I expect they would go with Phil/Brad, Brad being on TUF, and the style of that fight they will probably bang out, even though I'd rather see the debut of McKee to see if he is gonna be a player in the UFC LW DIv, I think the UFC is scared, they saw what, what was it, the Winner fight was so bad it just killed the prelims, so if they put Mandingo on the prelims and he goes back to his boring wrestling style they dont want that so they will probably put Brad/Phil as the second prelim fight.
 

xXThaidaXx on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm ET
Seriously cut off Leben and put someone else in there. Get another star performer and Jan 1 looks decent even with the not so exciting main event.
 

Thechrish on Oct 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm ET
Roy has a chance if it gets past round 1.   Carwin's body basically froze on him after the first round of the Brock fight.   Perhaps, he learned a lesson and he won't "punch himself out" again.     Roy is a smart fighter, so I imagine he'll try to tie him up and look for the big overhand right. 
 

enzorush on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm ET
maynard decision
carwin decision (but it would be hell of a fight)
gomi k.o
leben k.o

vera k.o

vera needs cardio he needs to move to greg jackson for proper training he still has what it takes to be a contender in the LHW division.
 

SLuBMan on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:37 pm ET
vera got owned by Bones Jones, he's good, but he's never gonna beat the top tier guys
 

SmashEm on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm ET
Couple things that i always think about when i hear about Edgar. hes a great fighter no doubt. but is he as great as it now seems he is? was just the style match up with penn that edgar has his number no matter how many times they fight or is Frankie Edgar the real deal and gonna dominate like we thought penn would and sure kinda did? One thing i remember when he fought maynard first time was after the fight maynard basically in some sort of way said he just stronger and and able to bully edgar. So if that holds up is Maynard gonna be the next lightweight champ and when i look at maynard skill level its definatly getting better and improving but his striking is not bj penn or frankie edgar. His jitsu isnt up to par with cole miller. So overall gray maynard maybe win this fight but is he seriously a better fighter then edgar or penn cuz he can use his physical strenght and power to BULLY his opponents?
 

dodo on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:56 pm ET
frankie is going to school maynard, B.J wasnt much competition, hard to do that when you beat a fighters twice in a few months time, but maynard is a bigger challenge then B.J penn .
 

SLuBMan on Oct 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm ET
John "bones" Jones should change his nick name to John "The Martian Man Hunter" Jones.
 

Millerpsud40 on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm ET
+1
 

turtle-bird on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:27 pm ET
  • Champ Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard (for lightweight title)
  • Shane Carwin vs. Roy Nelson
  • Takanori Gomi vs. Clay Guida
  • Chris Leben vs. Brian Stann*
  • Nate Diaz vs. Dong Hyun Kim*
PRELIMINARY CARD
  • Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera*
All I predict is...
Edgar wins by decision, close fight but he will use his speed to avoid takedowns which will lead him to hit-n-run on Maynard.
Nelson wins by submission, lay all that body mass to tire our Carwin and get a choke.
Guida wins by decision, wrestle Gomi and grinding him out.
Leben wins by tko, closing up the distance with tough chin, pressure Stann and lands some good punches to put him out.
Diaz wins by decision, back and fourth striking and ground game, but Diaz will find a way to win.
Vera wins by tko, Silva will be overwhelmed by Vera mix game, legs kicks, punches, takedowns.
 

trentdilfer1 on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:31 pm ET
Disgusting because this should be Nate Diaz, three total screwings of Diaz to give fans the Maynard Edgar sleeping pill.  Nice work as usual Dana..can't wait for Silva V Cote (Belfort) 2. 
 

lennywh on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:36 pm ET
what the hell is thiago sliva vs brandon vera doing on the under card  can anybody tell me the reason behind that
 

trentdilfer1 on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm ET
probably Spike prelim for free.
 

ghostcatalyst on Oct 14, 2010 at 2:45 pm ET
Roy just needs to survive round one, because shane does not train for any other rounds.
 

trentdilfer1 on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm ET
yeah, no, this is a bad match up for Roy and the fans.  Funny because Lesnar is the top echelon guy he matches up best with, but if Roy wins, and he very well may it will be by KO.  You know if Silva really wanted to put on a sick match Nelson V Mir would be unbelievable.
 

MaddDogg96 on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:50 pm ET
Ewwwww ! Sounded great up until Carwin-Nelson co-headliner. Carwin via Murder
 

MTR on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:58 pm ET
Card looks decent, could be a lot of lay and pray though.  Maynard, Guida, and the Donger all on one card could be a recipe for disaster, plus McKee on the undercard.
 

no_pity on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:58 pm ET
I always find it interesting and amusing to read peoples comments about Gray Maynard. I honestly can never figure out if people just haven't watched the majority of his fights, or just have amnesia when it cones to them ? Let's think back . . . . . . . .    

Maynard -v- Florian = alot of grappling(80%) little striking(20%)

Maynard -v- Diaz = entirely standing

Maynard -v- Huerta = 2 rds entirely standing, and 3rd partially standing then Maynard nearly ripped Huerta's arm off on the mat

Maynard -v- Jim Miller = Maynard beat the shi* out of Miller standing the entire fight until Miller attempted a TD and subsequently pulled gaurd in the 3rd, at which time Maynard did a little G-n-P and stood up

Maynard -v- Clementi = a mix of grappling(65%) and striking(35%)

Maynard -v- Edgar = again, 1st 2 rds predominantly a striking match with both fighters securing 1 TD and immediately back to the feet, 3rd rd a little striking then Maynard slams Edgar twice and does a little G-n-P at the end of the rd

Maynard -v- Siver = again a mix of striking(30%) and grappling(70%)

Maynard -v- Veres = all striking with Maynard KOing veres in the 1st

Now, I just don,t understand how ANYONE can honestly say that Maynard is ANYTHING near a L-n-P artist. Maynard looks to strike and box FIRST in every 1 of his fights, and only uses his grappling when he feels necessary. He definitely is lacking in the BJJ department so far, but as I remember the striking in the first match was pretty even.

I've got Maynard by domination!!!
 

BLUdluSTER on Oct 14, 2010 at 6:55 pm ET
+1, great post!
 

IntenseJohn on Oct 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm ET
hah is this the Antonio McKee that fought Acevedo a couple of weeks ago? I thought he said he was gonna retire. He boasts a good record but his opponents weren't of the highest caliber and he pulls out a decision like 70% of the time. It's good to see him against better competition.
 

jmoore on Oct 14, 2010 at 6:51 pm ET
whoever said this could be the most boring title fight in ufc history, did u forget about a. silva vs mia
and his fight with the other bjj guy?   BORING, they barley threw a punch

frankie goes out and gives 100%, more then the spider's dancin ass can say
 

bigbeowulf on Oct 14, 2010 at 6:52 pm ET

THIAGO SILVA V BRANDON VERA NEED TO BE ON THE MAIN CARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ID RATHER SEE THAT FIGHT THAN NATE DIAZ, MAKE IT HAPPEN DANA!!! 

 

xvxdisjointedxvx on Oct 14, 2010 at 7:11 pm ET
Carwin by way of cruel and unusual punishment.
 

Geki69er on Oct 14, 2010 at 9:29 pm ET
This is a HORSEsh*t card.  r***** wrestlers who WILL drag it out for 5 rounds with absolutely no interesting moments then Shane Carwin beating the crap out of a fat bastard Nelson.  The only one i would be mildly interested in is Guida vs Stann.  Love both these dudes. 
 

JeffieB on Oct 15, 2010 at 12:07 am ET
Too bad they aren't fighting each other
 

jonharwood on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:08 pm ET
Some of the stuff I've read in the comments here has really blown me away. Roy Nelson is NOT a top heavyweight; nowhere near the league of Shane Carwin. If Dos Santos didn't prove this, then damn, Carwin sure will. I do give credit for Nelson not getting finished, but he had no chance of winning that fight at all and Dos Santos just toyed with him for 3 rounds. As for his conditioning, are you people kiddding me??? Yes, he lasted the 3 rounds but barely and he was DEAD 3 minutes into the fight. Carwin by MKO for sure and then he'll fight Brock if Brock loses.
 

VenomXXR on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:37 pm ET
Carwin wins via 2nd RD TKO. Maynard "beats" Edgar for a UD victory.
 

mjb13ell on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:20 am ET
carwin by 2nd round ko . unless he's gassed out by then ! he'll get em in 1
 

JeffieB on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:49 pm ET
Leben comes off two amazing fights to get... Stann? Really would've liked W. Silva and Leben
 

paulywalnuts on Oct 14, 2010 at 11:54 pm ET
Payback for Schaub?
 

rustman on Oct 15, 2010 at 12:57 am ET
frankie looks like he is taking a dump in this picture
 

mjb13ell on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:24 am ET
at least 5 lightweights i can think off that can beat edgar . would love to see him fight aldo at 145 . he'd get ko'd by him to even at 55 . edgar vs cris cantos would be an iteresting brawl
 

mjb13ell on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:25 am ET
cyborg santos i mean . not fair for her against woman !!
 

radek138 on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:04 am ET
wow, may be the first time that the main event is the least appealling of all fights on the card including prelims.
 

mjb13ell on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:22 am ET
gomi guide ill be fot . gotta love guida . wonder how he can see with that mop on his head and noons was constantly tryin to get his hair out his face
 

mjb13ell on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:26 am ET
ass long as vera silva is televised
 

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