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Below from Ray Smith Sheep counting in binary and from Tony Walker
Te deu wid sheep From Ted Relph From time to time we are asked for information about the old system of counting sheep, beginning 'yan, tyan, tethera.' As it is over a quarter of a century since an article about this appeared in our Journal (LDS No.30, 1968) perhaps it would be helpful to resurrect something about this rather academic and complicated subject. Most writers admit that they have never actually heard anyone counting in this way. It seems to be a bit of 'folk-history' which reappears in articles and 'readers' letters' from time to time, but it is obvious that unique counting systems did exist in former days, not only for counting sheep but in games of different sorts, knitting, fishing and in counting the goods in warehouses. There would seem to be a clear connection with counting on the fingers, particularly after getting to 10, as the best known local examples then go 1 and 10, 2 and 10, etc up to 15, then 1 and 15, 2 and 15, etc up to 20. The count invariably ended at 20. This was a 'score' and a scratch was then put in a stick or stone, and the count recommenced. In this way things were counted in scores. It is said that the shepherds, on reaching 20, would transfer a pebble or marble from one pocket to another, so as to keep a tally of the number of scores. Michael V. Barry, of Queen's University, Belfast states that over a hundred different versions of the numbers had been collected, mostly from 19th century publications. Many people who submitted numbers did not say what they were used for and over half of them gave no supporting information of any kind. From those who did, it was found that they were in fact rarely used by shepherds but more often by children, as counting rhymes, or by parents and nursemaids in amusing them! It would seem that every fifth numeral was considered of more importance and the intervening numbers were said very rapidly. This perhaps accounts for the fact that there is more variation in these intervening numbers than in 5, 10, 15, 20. 5 is usually 'pimp', but can be pip, fip, pitts and, in Ayrshire, bamf. 10 is almost always 'dick', dix or deg but clen or galen in parts of Wales. 15 is typically 'bumfit' in Northern England and 20 is commonly 'giggot' or jiggot. The 'dick', or 'deg' for 10 suggests a strong Celtic origin, which was in the same group of languages was Latin [decem], French [dis] and even Hindi [das]. Similarly, 'pimp' for 5 is obviously connected with the modern Welsh [pump] and probably with Latin [quinque] and Hindi [panch]. Bumfit can perhaps be identified as 'pump-dec' [ 5 plus 10 ] but giggot [20] is not explained! There was an article on the subject by J. R. Witty in the 1927 Transactions of the Yorkshire Dialect Society and an earlier article by A. J. Ellis on the 'Anglo-Cymric Score' in 'Transactions of the Philological Society' in 1877-8-9. Ellis concluded that most informants took the score very lightly and that it could not have been used much after 1825, though it may have been more much common two or three centuries earlier. Strenuous efforts by other researchers, including Prof. A. H. Smith and Harold Orton have failed to find the numerals in actual use. 'Many people know it and recite it out of an antiquarian interest, or as some kind of philological curiosity, but no one uses it for a geniunely utilitarian purpose'. After all, it is difficult enough trying to count sheep in 2s or 3s, never mind singly! Welsh would seem to be the only Celtic language which counts to fifteen and then to 20. Mr. Barry says that various theories have been put forward to explain the survival of the numerals mainly in North West England. One is the Survival theory, suggesting that they have remained from Celtic times, where isolated pockets of Britons survived the Anglo-Saxon and later invaders. There are two 'Importation' theories; the first presupposes the survival of the numerals in Strathclyde, and that they then came to Lakeland via the Scottish drovers; the second suggests they came in from Wales during Medieval times. Evidence is scanty for any of the theories, and the surviving versions of the score have become so garbled that any real analysis of them is now impossible. (Just to correct a common fallacy, there seems to be no direct connection whatsoever with Scandinavia via 'Old Norse'). Here are a few examples to show the local variations, though there are often conflicting versions collected from the same dale. In Eskdale, 8 & 9 seem to have been exchanged with 6 & 7. 1 2 3 4 5 Keswick. yan tyan tethera methera pimp. Westmorland. yan tyan tetherie peddera gip. Eskdale. yaena taena teddera meddera pimp. Millom. aina peina para pedera pimp. High Furness. yan taen tedderte medderte pimp Wasdale. yan taen tudder anudder nimph Teesdale. yan tean tetherma metherma pip Swaledale yahn tayhn tether mether mimp(h) Wensleydale yan tean tither mither pip Ayrshire yinty tinty tetheri metheri bamf
6 7 8 9 0 15 Keswick sethera lethera hovera dovera dick bumfit Westmorland teezie mithy katra hornie dick bumfit Eskdale hofa lofa seckera leckera dec bumfit Millom ithy mithy owera lowera dig bumfit High Furness haata slaata lowera dowra dick mimph Wasdale ..........not given......................... Teesdale lezar azar catrah horna dick bumfit Swaledale hith-her lith-her anver danver dic mimphit Wensleydale teaser leaser catra horna dick bumper Ayrshire leetera seetera over dover dik - - Among children’s counting out games they found the following; observe these seem to count in fours, probably to suit the rhyme [Edinburgh]"Inty, tinty, tethery, methery; Bank for over, dover, ding .." [London] "Eena, deena, dus; cattala, wheela, wheila, wus; spit, spot, must be done. [Universal] "Eeny, meeny, miney, moe; Catch a nigger by his toe". Scores have even been found in a number of places in U.S.A. [Cincinnati] een, teen, tother, feather, fib, soter, oter, poter, debber, dick [Vermont] eeni, teni, tudheri, fedheri, fip, saidher, taidher, koadher, daidher, dik These were probably taken to the new world by Cumbrian settlers !!
Footnote... In addition to those quoted, a number of other articles have been written on the subject, the more important of these are ... Rev. T. Ellwood. "Numerals formerly used for sheep scoring in the Lake Country" C & W Trans. O.S. Vol III 1876-1877 xxxii-xxxiv. E. E. Speight. Antiquary. 1893 Vol. XXVIII. K. Jackson. "Language and History in Early Britain" Edinburgh, 1963 D. MacRichie. "The Celtic Numerals of Strathclyde" Proceedings, Society of Antiquaries, Scotland. Vol XLIX 1915. Note from M. McGregor - nothing to do with counting sheep Sturdy There is a common belief that some shepherds had the knack of removing the `sturdies', by rapping the sheep on the head with their crooks, and the sheep often recovers. In fact The old shepherds bored a small hole through the skull over the site of the 'sturdy', then inserted a small barbed 'instrument' prepared from a feather stem or a reed, twisted it around to catch the sac containing fluid and the 'eggs' of the parasite, and so pulled it out. It was essential to remove the sac without bursting it, then the 'auld yowe' had an excellent chance of recovery. I was reading with
some interest your article on the counting of sheep and it put me in mind of a
chap I worked with in the late '60's and early '70's. From Tony Walker wcti@btinternet.com Sheep Counting. Note from M. McGregor - nothing to do with counting sheep Sturdy There is a common belief that some shepherds had the knack of removing the `sturdies', by rapping the sheep on the head with their crooks, and the sheep often recovers. In fact The old shepherds bored a small hole through the skull over the site of the 'sturdy', then inserted a small barbed 'instrument' prepared from a feather stem or a reed, twisted it around to catch the sac containing fluid and the 'eggs' of the parasite, and so pulled it out. It was essential to remove the sac without bursting it, then the 'auld yowe' had an excellent chance of recovery.
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