Like I said above if you support racism and bigotry then you yourself are a racist and a bigot. And the Republican party and its base is built on those very things. So if you support them then yes you are gonna be called a racist and a bigot. You don't wanna be labeled as such? Then support better candidates and find better values. But sitting there acting surprised and astonished when you get labeled as a bigot for supporting bigots is fucking ridiculous.
There is nothing I can say that doesn't involve me shitting all over conservatives or their values. And trying to filter myself makes my opinion pointless so I'll be frank because at the end of the day.... well I'll cover that in my answer. Their role on this forum, I feel, is to observe the liberal outrage from both moderate Democrats/Liberals to Progressive and Socialist Democrats, and observe only. Simply, I hate the Republican party, I hate their platform, I hate their ideology, and most importantly I hate their "All for One" policy. I'm only 30 years old and growing up, I didn't know jack shit about politics, all I knew was that my father voted Republican, his mother didn't vote (But she was also one of the most irresponsible people on the planet god bless her) my mother didn't vote, her parents where life long Republicans until 2016. I'll admit growing up I didn't know my place in politics and my first real election was the 2008 elections, my first actual time voting I voted for Linda McMahon for some post, I cant recall, simply because I knew where she came from. I admit I voted for Barack Obama because I wanted to see the first black President and thought McCain was insanely old (but 60+ seemed too old to me at the time). It wasn't until roughly 2010-2011 I started discovering my political identity. I lived by simple moral codes growing up. I was into super heroes and power rangers so helping others even at the cost of myself was a no brainer. People should always have food on the table. People shouldn't be living on the streets. People should be able to shower, clean and shave. I was also becoming more interested in other cultures and wanted to intergrate more with people who celebrated different holidays or spoke different languages, so I began to lean Democrat. I started watching news outlets and reading newspapers (I admit I never subscribed, I worked at a convenience store and had to throw them out every night so i read them first), what I saw on Fox was horrifying and divisive. They kept running segments on welfare and shitting on poor people as though helping others was a sin of the greatest nature. Republicans opposed repealing don't ask, don't tell. Republicans opposed gay marriage and praised people like Davis who continued to break the law. Republicans elected men like Cruz who yelled at an audience that the homosexuals where causing the US to burn causing a little girl in the audience to freak out. Republicans elected Trump who continue to divide people, lie and make everyone who criticizes him an enemy of the people, and the ones who didn't vote for him or don't support him are not doing enough to push back on their crazy cousins. Republicans allow the NRA to dictate policy on gun studies. Republicans allow this disgusting corruption in the Trump administration to go unopposed and actily look for ways to obstruct or stop investigations. Over time I went from lean Democrat, to strong Democrat to pure Democrat. I'm never going to vote Republican, I'm never even going to consider Republican and I'll never even consider voting for a 3rd party unless the Republican candidate has no chance of beating the Democrat in an election (Just to prevent them from obtaining office). Republicans turned a, who used to be gentle jolly natured, friend of mine into a brainless, angry, hateful alt-righter who just shits all over black people, latinos, muslims and liberals (And he's not even American, he's canadian) when Trump came onto the scene. I lost that friend the day he shared a news article praising the death of muslims who died when a crane malfunction caused it to fall onto a mosque and kill people at a prayer session during an anniversary of 9/11. to this madness. I lost family to this madness as well, I've has to cut at least 4 members of my family (Whom I was only able to keep up with on FB) because their insanity that liberals and fake news where subhuman, and the enemy of he people. I know there are still some good people in the world who are Republican, but I've lost faith in their message, I've lost faith in them as a whole and hope that the good ones safely reach the arc and cross the river safely. I want to say I hate Republicans. I want to say I loathe Conservationism and right wingers are the source of all political pain in history but I also don't care about them enough to have an honest discussion with them. I'm disappointed in them and never, ever want to hear their political plights, ever. But I know they don't care because I'm just another braindead libtard who hates America, which is why I'm pretty much just unloading my thoughts. So I don't care about them either. The difference is I know at the end of day i'll still be the better man and help them when they need it, whether I want to or not.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question: Let's assume that, one year from now, you decide that you were wrong, that Trump is the worst president ever and that you did a harmful thing voting for him, and that you are technically partially responsible for the suffering, deaths and corruption of lots and lots of people. That, in fact, he didn't help the economy at all and is exactly what the left (and republican never-trumpers) have been saying he is all along. Basically one step short of Mussolini. An american Erdogan. An absolute shit stain on this country's history. My question is: How ashamed or disgusted would you feel? How much would you blame him for tricking you and how much would you blame yourself for allowing yourself to fall for it? And, finally, how long would it take you to forgive yourself? This is my hypothetical question to you. Any other trump voters can feel free to also answer. I'm genuinely curious. I want to understand this phenomenon better.
I'm pretty sure he did this to me before. I've given him another chance in this thread but I have little faith he will rise to the occasion. Keep trying I guess.
Trump supporters that say he has improved the economy should be able to point to where on the graph it shows where Trump turned Obama's economy around
Lol, all the argument boils down to "2 years of economic growth!!" for Trumpers, as if the continuous growth under Obama was just made up. Fuckin hate the trash reasons people have for voting Trump.
“Helped the economy” lol. Markets: S&P 500 been climbing steadily since 2009 (I believe over 250% up since) 4.1 (quarterly ) GDP. Been there done that . A meaningless figure when you’re pumping out products that don’t resolve our trade deficit. Borrowing up 84% in a year where we are seeing this supposed record breaking year in te markets and economy. Back to $1 trillion in federal deficit next year. Will help when that next recession hits am I right? Taxes down? To the elite at the expense of small businesses (of which I own one) and middle class. 2019 taxes is going to be fun. Most of our write offs were taken away hurting hurting margins. Rates are rising. That money that people are seemingly saving from their tax cuts? Goes to higher interests rates in loans , eating discretionary income and consumer confidence.
I've honestly had it. No good comes from voting for, associating with or being a conservative/Republican. They're awful creatures that are destroying our world. Every day more evidence of it shows up. And if you get upset by this post, then you're part of the problem.
It can't be that bad. You're making it sound like our countries economy is being handled by an idiot who couldn't keep a casino running, and tried to sell steaks exclusively through a single electronics retail store, whos being advised by an economics advisor Jared found via an Amazon search.
I'll let you in on a little secret: the unemployment rate doesn't mean jack shit to the average joe. Just having a job shouldn't be a bar that we set for ourselves, especially when we all make exploitation wages just so the guys at the top can amass unseemly amounts of wealth. Even if we all had jobs, we would all still be underpaid and overworked and would only benefit marginally from employment. In fact, you should be seeing wages going up because our economy is becoming more productive. What we see instead is that all that additional wealth is being funneled UP (trickle down is for idiots) to the upper class. Capitalism has run rampant.
I'm not either. What I am saying is that the rest of you sure do fall silent when it comes to that part of the party. You(meaning the party) don't seem to have any problem with them in any material way and what they are doing to the brand. Their votes seems to be the only thing that matters. It seems that conservatives are incapable of introspection and lack self awareness too. All the problems of the world are outward. The party needs to learn how to look in the mirror. I mean we were told that ACA was the worst thing in the world by conservatives for 7 years. It has been 9 years now and I still haven't seen a feasible Republican plan. THEY DONT HAVE A PLAN YET! And the rest of you are church mice on the issue. It's shameful. All we heard about during the Obama presidency was how he was running up the deficit and how all he did was golf. Now that Trump has added a trillion and spent over 100 million of your taxpayer dollars on golfing, you have all lost your tongues. Not a word. I see you. As far as I am concerned the Republican party and conservatives are made up of hypocrites, liars, grifters, dupes, fake Christians, marks, useful idiots and boiling frogs. But I will listen to any of you that can put together a decent argument and can employ some introspection.
That wasn’t the point. It was just one indicator as an example to show how little of an effect trump has had on the economy. I think you’d generally see the same thing no matter what indicator you use. Maybe a little bit of acceleration in stock prices (though more volatile), maybe some stagnation in wage growth, but nothing that shows Trump turned our economy around in a positive way.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just get sick of people using the economy as a measure of how successful the President (and our country) is. As if to say, even if Donald Trump was responsible for how successful our economy is currently, it's not really helping out anyone except for those who are already rich and successful. In any case though, Trump is definitely not doing our economy any favors right now and it's only a matter of time before a downturn comes. Especially with all this tariff crap.
Wait wasen't Trump a democrat at some point, I wonder if people here would have different opinions of him if he ran as one.
The problem in the states is its either republican or democrat. If you couldn't stand Hillary Clinton it was trump and vice versa. If you strongly disagree with the democrats view on economy you were probably going to vote Trump. So in a lot of aspects your labeling someone that maybe just went with the lesser of two evils in their eyes on certain issues.
He would have never made it past the primaries, even if he managed to get in. His history of racism would have fucked him over hard. So no, because he'd still be a dumbfuck racist who ran with the birther shit and wanted 5 innocent men executed.
If someone running a campaign based on open racism, bigotry, xenophobia and homophobia is considered the "lesser of two evils" then you need to re-evaluate your life and where it went wrong.
Lmao Caging children is a great idea that Trump ruined by being a Republican. Denying climate science, undoing every Obama policy in reach, attacking the media, hiring fools and liars, and souring the US's diplomatic relationships are also bold and praiseworthy moves that are unfortunately tainted by Trump's party status.
Yes, because this board thinks SO highly of pre-southern strategy democrats. Protip: I know this concept is really hard to understand, as one side has not been able to figure it out for pages, but It's not the name people don't like, it's the behavior and actions. You can't say a specific set of words, and get a prescribed and desired reaction, that doesn't actually work, because it's not certain words or labels people are responding too.
Nope. Someone as overtly racist as him wouldn't get many votes in 2016. Republicans are generally far more cool with racism.
Yeah. Though I think the 'conservatives' in this thread have done a pretty damn good job in showing exacly what their place and purpose on this board is.
I hope you're not referring to me. I elaborated on my fiscal conservatism in here, and engage as I can regularly.
Yes, you think its ok to kidnap little brown kids because you don't have to see it and it doesn't affect you personally, and the rich get tax breaks and money you will never see, but you feel good by association. We know.
You right, it's the party he ran as that's the problem. Not the racism, misogyny, sexism, homophibia, and general stupidity. We accept that when you run as a dem.
Go find one post of mine that supports any of that shit. I fucking dare you. Don't fucking attack my character and put that shit on me because you feel so high and mighty and proud of your liberalism to condemn anyone who isn't fully in line with your mindset.
You so called “conservatives” can move the goal posts all you want. Bottom line is if you still identify yourself as conservative or republican or right-wing, you stand for everything horrible and negative about the U.S. If you want to play the, “Socially liberal but fiscally conservative” shit, you can - doesn’t make a huge difference. There is nothing redeemable about being a conservative in 2018 and that’s an inescapable fact.
You are on here stanning for conservative policies right fucking now, which you claim to only be in for, for your 'fiscal conservative' bullshit. Your entire body of actions in this thread IS the proof. You don't have to SAY certain key words or phrases, for everyone to SEE what you are doing. Lmfao.
Enlighten me, what am I doing, exactly? Without any of your condescension, if that's at all possible for you.
No. The simple fact is that Trump is not fit to run the office. At least cunts like Mitt Romney would know what they hell they're doing if they were in there. Trump is a complete dunce.
I'm on my own schedule, not yours. Your convenience with regards to forum posts is on the bottom of the list of my concerns.
I mean you said that people who don't think Donald Trump and David Duke aren't racist , aren't racist.
It's key that any forum that wants to have longetivity and honest interesting debate allow room for different views to be to aired. The opposite of an unfair right wing forum isn't an unfair left forum, it's a reasonable rational forum with prinicples(not saying this forum isn't one currently). The problem is it can be hard to try and draw the line between genuine conservative beliefs and hateful trolling in the age of Trump, when most conservatism seems to be just that. But we should air more on the side of allowing speech vs banning too quickly.
I already did. It's in the post you quoted. It's in tons of other posts regarding you and others. It's been explained the same way by multiple posters, in many different posts, plenty of which are responding to you. You are fine with racist bigoted policies, and defending said vote after the fact, that destroy lives, because you want some bullshit 'fiscal conservative' bullet point buried deep the fuck in there. Saying you don't agree with them means Jack and shit. Those are just words you use to pay lip service. You still support those policies and that party, in order to get what you want. Your fiscal conservative bullet points. Which in itself we have already shown is bullshit coded dog whistling, as described by the person who came up with it as a strategy. So.... yeah. And the very obvious reason why, which everyone can see despite you thinking you are oh so clever about it, is because that is more important to you than the lives of the people being hurt. I'm not re-explaining it to you again.
