The whole world needs to butt out of Americas affairs especialy our Constitution and our elections

According to Wikipedia John Feffer is a fellow at the Open Society Foundation which is a George Soros organization. Enough said. Otherwise it’s just a hypocritical ramble through all the usual angles but also includes wife beating just for good measure. It’s a worthless article, just a polemic.

Human rights are a spook, and ‘humanism’ is merely a liberal snarl world for any resistance to their epoch of dissolution. The left can’t own up to that which is given, which is struggle.

Rights don’t exist outside political order, and duties are prior to whatever rights emerge. Why should drug dealers have the right to undermine the integrity of the body politic? Not only do they eschew their duty, they actively harm their society.

There was no collaborationist avenue available to a Pole that would allow him evade the fate the Nazis had in store for him.

Nonsense! It was Polish government’s choice. If Polish government did not evacuate itself to Rumania and Hungary and then France in September 1939 and stay in Poland to sign the surrender treaty the situation would be entirely different. It would be possible that a similar zone to Vichy in France would be created in Poland under Polish administration where even Jews would be relatively safe. Polish leadership is to large extent responsible for the horrors of occupation in Poland. And if Poland wanted to continue resistance from France and later England they could assign a minor general to lead it to preserve the honor of Poland just a s De Gaulle did it for France. De Gaulle was a minor general. He became brigadier-general only on 1 June 1940. All high ranking officers remained loyal to Petain.

The persistence of myths that only serve to cover up mistakes and ineptitude is amazing. In the case of Polish leadership these were not just mistakes and ineptitude. It was criminal.

The money is about to dry up. You see it both in the data and how politicians and media act. Today came six out eight parties in Sweden to an agreement to cut threshold for retirement from 65 years to 66 years. A year may not sound much they raised the limit for early retirement (not confused with disability pensions) from 61 to 63 years. Only the nationalist Swedish Democrats and the communist Left Party but they were not even invited to be part of the discussions. This has not even been a discussion on national TV and media have done their best to not write about it. Why now?

Money is rapidly drying up. Our GDP growth per capita is less than one percent and it is declining. This is of course never even discussed in the media. In fact – we were told yesterday all over the news that Sweden “economy” (whatever that means) has never been better and all companies are in desperate need for workers. The official unemployment statistics is 5.8 percent that they count people that just work a day a week. The real unemployment rate in Sweden is closer to 15 percent. Looking at underunemployment (people that work few hours and/or work in a profession below their educational and skill level) may be as much as 25 percent or more.

In Stockholm municipality 56.4 percent of the working-age population have an income below 320,000 SEK a year or 38,000 U.S dollars. That is below the entry-level salary of a teacher in the city. Teachers are severely underpaid although salaries are increasing at least in Stockholm until they recently sat a cap and started to hire non-educated teachers as they come cheaper. Note that Stockholm municipalities are one of the wealthiest municipalities in Sweden. You see this pattern all around Sweden. You either have upper-middle class job or you struggle. The middle class jobs (50,000 dollars a year) are not nearly enough to cover the rising number of people. The correlation between education and income is rapidly declining.

Within a time-frame of 10 years ALL municipalities in the Sweden will have to raise their taxes with at least two percent to keep the municipal services at the same standard. It may not sound horrible but the Swedish municipal (also includes the tax to the counties) tax rate is on average 32.12 percent and all people regardless of income will pay this percentage. The tax limit is somewhere round 35 percent and then growth will fall. This is just an average but more than half of the municipalities will need some serious contributions from government as they will not raise taxes beyond 35 percent. Municipalities will be forced to cut welfare expenditures on a significant scale. Politicians will most likely cut elderly care to as little as 3,800 dollars a year – that is basically saying to people that they will not receive any elderly care at all. Thus, if you do not have a private retirement fund or if you are poor you get nothing. Still, everybody will pay more taxes.

This is basically what we will see within a ten year time-frame until the welfare state is gone. The tax rate will stay around 50 percent of GDP. This may take 20 years or 50 years but it will happen but the welfare state will be abolished in the end. People ask. How much can we blame on immigration? At least 1/3 of the costs care caused by the immigration policy and if the Socialist regime in the 1960s had not introduced “multiculturalism” the Swedish welfare systems would be mostly intact at the current standard for an unforeseeable future. It is somewhat funny that the Socialist destroys the welfare state they built but that is what they want. A financial crisis is expected in 2018. Everything above will be wrong and it will be much worse although not as bad as Greece but you get the point.

The 2018 election will be interesting. All the polls tells us that the Swedish Democrats are in decline (they would still increase in the 2018 election but not much) but that seems to be a lie. I would guess they receive somewhere round 25 percent. It will be a major blow to the elites and we will see even more polarization. In the end I think Swedes will do like they did in the 19th century when the elites ruined the country. They will simply pack their bags and move to another country. Australia seems nice. Sweden? Well, it will revert into a third world state but that is what the elites in Sweden want and has been working towards since the end of WW2.

So kids, get that free engineering degree or MD degree and buy a one-way ticket to Australia.

Thanks a lot.

It is interesting about the database being created. Will it help to get closer to the true numbers? Corrections sometimes are possible like this one in 2000:

Death Miscount Etched Into History

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2000/06/25/death-miscount-etched-into-history/ab9d6830-b10d-429c-a3b0-cbdbaa3a23d1/?utm_term=.33d41e1b07b5

Korean War Veterans Memorial, where it is carved into stone that 54,246 Americans died in the war that began 50 years ago today.

For decades, the number has been enshrined in almanacs, histories, memories and monuments, cited as proof of the war’s cost. But nearly one-third of those deaths–17,730–occurred elsewhere, often half a world away from Korea, in places ranging from the United States to Germany. The actual number of Americans killed in the Korean War theater of operations is 36,516, the Pentagon acknowledged this month.

I doubt it will be possible in Poland and other countries.

Yeah, Sweden is well on its way to national suicide. The vibrants are rioting now – from the warm incubator of Swedish Safety Net – what do you think will happen when the money dries up?

It is already happening in Sweden. Firstly, schools (which are horrible) in Sweden hold a certain of difficulty-level depending on the pupils but how do you manage a school when you have at least a million migrants that on average are not able to pass school work? Secondly, Sweden has few low-paid jobs just like Switzerland. Most jobs are mid-level to high-skilled and even those jobs are difficult to get. The underunemployment level (which is enormous) is an un-discussed and taboo topic in Sweden. Currently, the automatization is rapidly killing jobs. For example, fast-foods joints and retail are now rapidly replacing staff with self-pay automats. More so, even robotic lawn movers are just a decade from being very affordable and very functional just as computers. The bourgeoisie (including the Social Democrats) actually believe that solution for the massive unemployment/underunemployment is more state-funded McJobs in either the private industry or for the government. As this is going to happen? All of these projects have failed.

The funny part in this is that the Centre Party, that basically had board member of Cato Institute write their political program is now going great among “socialists”. Why? Well, almost the entire socialist electoral base consists of poor migrants (if they do vote which most of them do not), the urban upper-middle and kids still in college. The truth is that the entire socialist regime with post-liberals and post-Marxists. For them the most important issue is open borders, LGBT, multiculturalism, feminism and internationalism and make the European Union into a federal state. For these people “social class” do not exist. It is utterly insane but that is the Swedish Left.

It was not neo-liberals that pushed for open borders and neo-liberalism although they did contribute. Everything from deregulation of the capital markets, charter schools and open borders has been partly pushed by the Social Democratic Party. When it comes to immigration the first party that argued for an open border policy was the communist Left Party. Sweden actually practised old-fashion state capitalism until the 1980s when they shifted toward neo-liberalism but this were done under the guidance of the Social Democratic Party as they couldn’t sustain the very increasing welfare state – that actually were massively increased in the 1970s to drive unemployment down.

I prefer the term post-liberalism rather than neo-liberalism. Neo-liberals (think; Cato for a ideological reference) has nothing to do with free market economy but rather enrich the very wealthy. For example, Swedish government (on demand from the Social Democratic Party) has outsourced an increasing number of welfare services to private corporations. Often these corporations are owned or part-owned by politician’s friends and family. The old right-libertarianism is just as hated in United States by the corporations as it is hated in Sweden by the corporations and the rest of the elite institutions. A free market is a horrible thing for major corporations. This is why they buy politicians so they can skew the market so it benefits them.

The official number are always upward extrapolations.

Why assume so in that case? For example, the number of victims for AB-aktion (6500, half intelligentsia) is based on German reports. Do you think Germans would exxagerate the number of people they shot?

How many arrested in intelligenzaktions or AB Aktion survived?

No idea, but wiki tells about 50 thousands SHOT out of 100 thousand arrested.
It’s true that it’s hard to tell exactly how many people died. For example, in executions in Piaśnica historian gave number of 12-14 thousand people murdered (most of them Poles, but also some German patients killed in euthanasia actions etc). Only 852 were identified by name. 26 mass graves were investigated, in two of them full bodies were found (352 bodies), in all other only parts of the bodies and personal items. Witnesses tell about 35 mass graves, but since 1946 only one additional mass grave was found.

In Palmiry, historians found 24 mass graves, exhumated 1700 bodies, and 1056 are known by name. In Rudzki Most (were Poles were shot because of fire in barn of local German – a German died in fire – Poles were accused of setting the fire, despite no proof this happened), in 6 mass graves 237 bodies were found, of which 205 were identified (and all arrested were shot).

. It is easy to find that 184 were arrested and sent to KL. But even Wiki tells us that 101 of them were released from Sachsenhausen in Feb. 1941. It does not mean though that 83 died. But Wiki does tell us how many actually died. I read somewhere else that only 13 died in the camps. I suspect that most Poles including the educated ones believe that all professors were killed.

True. However: from Stanisławów, from 250 arrested, all except one who escaped from the transport, were shot.

That’s actuall quite interesting. IPN right now is creating a base including 4,5 million names, including all forms of repression; I included names of my family, and I found one name was doubled, out of five names, one was killed in service of Polish army, others survived. From my wife’s name, 2 killed out of 16 names, four nmes doubled. Out of my mother’s name, 16 doubled names out of 70 (initially thought 26 based on names only, but verified then that despite the same first name-last name had different birthsday and other details like place of birthsday), three killed. Then entered some random names: 49 names, 7 doubled, 3 killed (incl one victim of war, rest “deported”, “slave labourer” “prisoner of war” or “arrested”).

So, in total I checked 140 names, 28 should be removed from the base as doubles, nine killed of which 2 were killed as direct result of war, rest executed, i.e. 6.4% killed, 5% as result of execution or died in concentration camp. Extrapolating from the number of 4.5 milion of names, that would give 288 000 killed. The base is supposedly still “under construction” and relies mostly on data entered by families; I had no idea it existed til now.

To have Ethnic Violence, you need real ethnics, which the West has managed to keep under control, until now.

which I insist is untenable. I have no doubts that German occupation of Poland was awful but at the same time I believe that it was not as awful as Poles like to paint it

In other words, the Germans don’t want to pay up and are good at excuses to avoid doing so. At least the Teuton uses nicer words than the Russian, yes? But they still are bitter about Grunwald inside their hearts.

are lists of people known by name shot in intelligenzaktions

The list of those known by names does not exceed 20% of the official number. And the official number is 60-100k. The official number are always upward extrapolations. How many arrested in intelligenzaktions or AB Aktion survived? Good example are the professors of the Jagiellonian University. It is easy to find that 184 were arrested and sent to KL. But even Wiki tells us that 101 of them were released from Sachsenhausen in Feb. 1941. It does not mean though that 83 died. But Wiki does tell us how many actually died. I read somewhere else that only 13 died in the camps. I suspect that most Poles including the educated ones believe that all professors were killed.

My point is that a lot numbers that came from the victim states of the III Reich like Poland and Russia after the WWII are greatly exaggerated. They remain so because the numbers were never questioned or scrutinized. Nobody really cared to scrutinize the clams.

I have started this discussion because of your statement

that Germans had no problems with shooting hundreds of thousands Poles

which I insist is untenable. I have no doubts that German occupation of Poland was awful but at the same time I believe that it was not as awful as Poles like to paint it. And when it comes to numbers Poles just like Russians and Jews are very sloppy.

I still believe that the number of dead in willful executions and pacifications will not exceed 50k.

Then you are wrong, because there are lists of people known by name shot in intelligenzaktions (carried in 1939/start of 1940) which already have larger number of victims (two times and half larger if you include those, who were not shot immedietely, but perished later in camps). And the shootings have not ended in 1939.

As for madman, sure, but I know one case from September 1939, when Wehrmaht shot his own officer (the German was standing in the window, shaving, waved to the German unit, they shot him) and then executed several Poles “in retaliation”.

Thousands were also shot because they helped hiding Jews (including at least one village razed to the ground) or because theyhave not met “contibutions” quotas.

Simply, the socialist welfare state can only exists in state-capitalist homogeneous high-trust societies with an exceptional level of good governance. Globalization in terms of free trade, open borders and movable capital combined with post-marxist/post-liberal ideologies such as feminism, multiculturalism, progressive education, crony capitalism, anti-culture, egalitarianism, post-modernism and erratic gramscian ideals turns countries into third world slums. When Sweden moved from a state-capitalist homogeneous high-trust society driven by good governance to a nihilistic self-loathing post-liberal open border society they burned their socialist foundation to the ground.

Exactly, nihilist self-loathing post-liberal open border societies destroy any chance of real socialism. They’re the direct route to ethnic conflict and elite building economic polarization.

Simply, the socialist welfare state can only exists in state-capitalist homogeneous high-trust societies with an exceptional level of good governance.

Absolutely. I’d also ad a reasonable average IQ requirement since a system like that needs decent productivity (and it’s kind of essential for good governance and low corruption levels). I’m only mentioning it because a large influx of low IQ strangers inevitably destroys the whole structure – especially in the age of automation when the machines are taking away their jobs first.

As far as Sweden is concerned you mix the cause and the effect. Opening Sweden to immigrants was a stratagem to destroy its third way socio-economy model. You are correct that this model could work because of high trust mono-cultural and mono-ethnic society of Sweden. This model was quite successful and thus and it was very hated by neoliberals who used the left wing useful idiots to destroy it.

I think Feffer has a point in terms that neo-liberalism have not delivered but like most liberals he has simply no answers other than higher taxation, more education and an enlarge welfare regime. Sweden has played this game since 1950s. Since the early 1990s they have been forced to cut down the socialist welfare regime. Simply, the socialist welfare state can only exists in state-capitalist homogeneous high-trust societies with an exceptional level of good governance. Globalization in terms of free trade, open borders and movable capital combined with post-marxist/post-liberal ideologies such as feminism, multiculturalism, progressive education, crony capitalism, anti-culture, egalitarianism, post-modernism and erratic gramscian ideals turns countries into third world slums. When Sweden moved from a state-capitalist homogeneous high-trust society driven by good governance to a nihilistic self-loathing post-liberal open border society they burned their socialist foundation to the ground.

It is sort of hilarious that Feffer and the rest of them believe that they will win victories in the long-run being disingenuous. Eastern European countries just like the “alt-right” may sometimes be Austrian-Libertarian on economics but they are not applauded by the Koch brothers or any other members of the billionaire class. In fact, the Koch brothers left Austrian economics in the 1980s for the Cato institute left-libertarianism and pro-business agenda.

The New Right seem to have learned from the mistakes of the old aristocratic class and from the 19th century capitalist class. They take a common sense approach to politics combining different ideologies and knowledge from a number of fields. This is why people like Feffer and the Nation are defenceless. I read regularly far-left publications like the Nation, Jacobin Magazine, Mondoweiss and Counter Punch and bunch of other “far-left” magazines. Their only real insight is basically the “inequality” narrative. They have some insights on American Foreign policy, colonization, Israel and Russia but that it all.

The vast majority of the left do not care about social inequality. For them politics is about feminism, multiculturalism, identity politics, LGBT, environmentalism, internationalism and other insane post-marxist and post-liberal ideologies. For them the European Union, Barack Obama, Israel, New York Times, Masha Gessen, Anne Applebaum and Washington Post saints. They hate Eastern Europe and in particularly Russia because they are told to that it is “cool” to do so. Recently, this crazed leftist has turned Lindsay Graham, John McCain and even George W. Bush into heroes because they hate Trump. In fact, they have no problem with neo-conservatism as there is little difference between neo-conservatism and contemporary liberalism. Yes, many of them like Bernie Sanders but most of them see no major difference between him and Clinton as there is little. They go with the first guy because he is “cool” and sounds radical while Clinton sounds “boring” and something from the past.

The left is a total joke. Their core constituency is white college kids, the upper middle class, rich people, coloured people and government workers. The truth is that they are losing most political battles and will continue to lose political battles. In fact, Donald Trump, with all his major flaws will be re-elected. Not because he is some genius but because he oppose at least parts of the globalist agenda.

And no…

Eastern Europe is not magically going to turn into left-wing utopia and the harder the European Union and United States push the further they are pushed towards Russia. If these liberal had some kind of function brain they would understand that if they want the Eastern European nations onboard their globalist agenda they have to offer them some big money and I do not talk about a few handout but some serious dough but it will not happen because United States and Western Europe have no more dough to give.

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Thank you for your response. Nevertheless I do not think that it has been proven anywhere that Poland suffered 2-3 millions of losses among its gentile (we are not talking about Jews here) population. How many, I do not know. But I would put a cap of 1 million to start with that would include also German, Ukrainian, Belorussian minorities. There are methodological problem how to count the dead. Who is Polish and who is not? We should remember that circa 400 thousand Polish citizens volunteered or were forced to serve in Wehrmacht and many of them perished. To which category they belong: German dead or Polish dead? Victims or perpetrators?

I still believe that the number of dead in willful executions and pacifications will not exceed 50k.

legal does not make them any less crime in my eye – absolutely I agree. If one is dealing with a madman one must be more careful to not provoke him. The planners and instigators of futile in most cases resistance actions that provoked German retributions knew they were dealing with the madman and apparently did not care.

Nah, it wasn’t a police state. Just a white city in a white country.

Czechoslovakia was forced to negotiate with Hitler and in the long run it was the best thing they ever did. Their population was spared the most ravages of the war. Poland should have make a deal with Hitler, though it was impossible because any faction of government that would have tried to negotiate with Hitler would be violently overthrown by pro-war British inspired faction. This what exactly has happened in Yugoslavia in 1941 where after making a deal with Germany the government was overthrown and the war was forced on Yugoslavia. Czechs were lucky.

Sounds familiar.

Having said that, am I mistaken in assuming that police/security services in that country of yours weren’t exactly a lot into “human rights”?

For example:
You could get beaten up on the street by a cop on a beat and you could do nothing about it.
You could get arrested by cops, taken to a station and beaten, then released with no charges pressed and you could do nothing about it.
That’s easy part. Regular police stuff.
Harder stuff now.
You spout something against regime in public and you get picked up by “guys” at 2 A.M. From then on depends on a lot of things, most of them totally out of your control. From some beating up to, through a couple of months in prison to a serious time on trumped up charges re “national security”.

BTW, people in “the know” were advising their kids about “not taking sweets from strangers” and hel no getting into any car with friendly people. The best advice was always: “Don’t speak with strangers”.

And, maybe you lived in a nice city.
I…guess….that in any city/town there was a part of city/town where smart people were advised not to venture after dark.

Overall, I guess you are correct about not worrying too much about being robbed/beaten up in a street.
At the other hand one had to be VERY careful when interacting with cops. And, the most important, all was fine as long as one kept his mouth shut.

So….all has pluses/minuses I guess.

As a contrast, I grew up in a 99+% white European country. Since before Primary School I was spending all of my days outside, completely unsupervised. Me and the other kids used to go and play up to, say, five kilometres from our homes without any issues. A bit later, when we got “proper” bicycles that range increased to over 20 kilometres.

- Never did my parents warn me to avoid certain areas or worry about my long and unpredictable disappearances.

- Neither me or my friends (AFAIK) ever experienced any issues with random adults. We had fights with other kids but that’s all.

- This was a big city with millions of inhabitants. It wasn’t some small environment where safety comes from everyone knowing each-other.

- The word on the kid-street was that gypsies should be avoided. Not sure if that rumour originated from some parents or bad experiences but it’s interesting that the only potential “danger” was coming from a tiny number of non-whites.

Hitler wasn’t exactly trustworthy partner to negotiate with especially for a nation that lived in what Germans considered their lebensraum.

While I agree with your sentiment, I have to add that it is not necessarily true that different treatment of Slavs in Russia (after 1941) would add much to Hitler’s war machine capability. Armies have to be fed, clothed, armed. Food, ammo and equipment would have to be sent to them instead of to German armies and treating Poles, Belarussians, Ukrainians etc with decency would mean less food would be squeezed out of us – so more peasants would survive, they would be better fed, but less stuff would go to the Germany army. So there would be gains, but also there would be minuses.

Already a a million Russians fought for Hitler, BTW.

Allying with Poland is quite a different thing, as it would move the starting line of offensive hundreds km to the east; less partisan activity and so on. However, it would be really hard to achieve. Hitler initially did propose alliance to Poland (going as far as one of his ministers, forgot which one, suggesting “why you want to keep Gdańsk? Odessa is also a nice port…”), and Poland, being as always fixated on self-respect, honor, keeping the word etc refused the offer. Also, some things were really hard to predict in 1939.

Even under his own theory of Germanic racial superiority, Hitler’s actions were illogical and, obviously, massively and predictably counterproductive for the Germans and the rest of white Europe.

Merely by observing the appearance, history, conduct, and intelligence of Slavs and Germans versus most of the rest of the world, it should have been obvious that Slavs were hardly “untermenschen.” Then and now, the Slavs were, in fact, genetically and culturally brothers to the Germanic peoples. (Extra irony: Hitler’s home country, Austria, was then and is now noticeably part Slavic, to an extent that Germany is not, as confirmed nowadays by genetic test data. Hitler himself could well have been part Slavic.)

Moreover, as many have said before me, if the nazis simply had treated the Slavs decently rather than brutalizing them and deriding them as inferior, all of Eastern Europe and even western Russia could have fallen into Germany’s hands in jubilant escape from soviet communism. Imagine a Slavic army mobilized voluntarily to defeat the soviets, instead of the Slavs wisely deciding to resist the nazis because they were just as heartless and brutal to Slavs as the soviets.

Severely handicapped people could have been cared for and allowed to live out their lives. Eugenic measures could have focused instead on contraception and eventually genetic engineering, not killing human beings already here.

Slavs could have been allowed to keep their cultures and languages and flags, with the german flag alongside and the next generation required to learn German in school.

But that wasn’t at all Hitler’s viewpoint, which was one big reason he and his unnecessary cruelty were such an irremediable disaster for Germanic people and all European peoples. Ironically, Hitler did more to destroy and demoralize white people than almost anyone else.

Well …… my answer would be “plenty, but less than is wrong with Western Europe and North America these days.”

The debate is set when you write “communist Poles” and “anti science Jews”, “scam” and “graud” and then saying “no name calling”, while posting a link to a garbage site. It’s useless to waste your life debating fanatics.

I already debated denialists many times, including on unz.com. I wasted many hours of my life and at the very end they have not ceded a single point, despite being shown even quite trivial mistakes. That’s why such people are called denialists, because they just thrown arguments at you and refuse to admit if those arguments were wrong, and when you are finally tired of writing, they announce their victory.
I have read CODOH many times. It containts absolute garbage.

Thanks for the laugh.

Do you really believe the numbers that 3 millions Poles on top of 3 millions Polish Jews were killed during WWII?

Yes and no.

Immedietely after war the number were very fuzzy and they were not properly investigated. However, since the 1990 the historians underwent very serious effort and estimated Polish losses. Of course, still there are high discrepancies and all number are estimations, as no one really knows. However, the official estimations (plural, since some historians still argue over the correct methods) right now are between 2-3 millions ethnic Poles, 2-3 millions Polish Jews and about 1-2 million “other Polish citizen”, said number including Belarussians, Ukrainians, etc etc and, yes, Polish Germans too.

The numbers included Poles shot by Germans in operation Tannnberg (about 20.000 victims) and then different “intelligenzaktions” (you know, were Germans rounded up people from the lists in given region, who were guilty of being intellectuals, teacher, known from participating in pre-war patriotic organisations) and shot them – total 50 thousands victims shot, 50 thousand sent to concentration camps, almost all of them died there.

Probably you should have heard at least about shooting professors from universities in Lwów and Kraków. Then there are hundreds of villages “pacified” during German occupation, where “pacification” could be razing village to the ground, or simply shooting random men. The total number is 800 to 900 “pacified” villages, and number of victims ranges from 60 to over thousand (hard to say how many villages were “pacified” in “Kresy”), plus thousands of villages and small towns which also faced random shootings of smaller scale. In a typical pacification (as in Skłoby) German army surrounded the village, arrested all men (some shot in place) and burned the place to the ground. In case of Skłby 265 shot victims are known by name. Then there are people who died en route during expulsions from Poznań area, from Zamojszczyzna etc (e.g. the children separated from families; we know for sure tha many of them died in concentration camps, but we don’t know how many; some migh survived, as they were kidnapped to be raised as proper Germans and only few ever returned to their families) – in total 2.5 million of Poles were expelled from their houses, and similarnumber was kidnapped to a slave labour in Germany (initially some actually were volunteers, but because there were too few volunteers, Germans started to just round people in the street. My grandfather was slave labourer in Germany.).

Then random people shot in retaliation for actions of underground and so on. In Warsaw alone the number of people shot in retaliation is about 32.000. Then there is murdering of 16.000 of feeble-minded and disabled patients (akcja T4).

Your claims that shooting all men in retribution for various actions of underground, who just happen to operate in the neighbourhood, or taking random people and shooting dozen of them was legal does not make them any less crime in my eye.

I would also add that in German plans, there was no idea of taking half of French territory and deporting the natives.

What’s wrong with Eastern Europe?

Nothing

Excellent post Dykstra

I cannot emphasize adequately the most important truth what you have written here.

Your quote.
Likewise, my government appears to have armed and aided ISIS along with other Islamists in Syria.

What happened here was that that they accepted all that, but they betrayed US and did refuse all orders from US.

Naturally the MSM refuse to talk about this detail.
(I do have to congratulate you for seeing through things and events.
You are showing high intelligence.

p.s. Please can you help me?
Can you tell me how you make those brown squares with quotes?

MAGA. What more can I say?

Hopefully Hungary will never give citizenship and voting rights to any of the Germans fleeing there from Eurabia.

Very important point. If the US had NOT given citizenship and voting rights to anyone who arrived after 1945, it would still be Anglo-American, with more recent long term foreign residents (what the Swiss call “Guest workers”), not affecting its identity and politics.

This is a blueprint for a route out of the current mess.

The first step is to recognize that the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration and Nationality Act has failed. It’s political sponsors said that it would not affect US demographic mix, while the reality is that it has put the United States (an Anglo-European country in 1965), on the route to Brazilianization.

The next step is to rescind the 1965 Act.

In other words, all post 1965 immigrants to the US may stay in the US, and retain all their rights ( to work, start businesses etc.) but lose their right to citizenship. Their status is converted from Citizen (with nationality and voting rights) to long term Foreign Resident.

This wouldn’t affect the day to day lives of post 1965 immigrants, but it would return political power to Anglo-European Americans, who are after all the people who founded and developed the modern nation.

An interesting aspect would be that almost all African-Americans and Jewish-Americans would remain US citizens, but would have much less ability to attack a nation clearly defined as ethnic Anglo-European.

Of course, the rescission of the 1965 Act would face a hyterical outcry from the existing elites (Jewish & corporate special interests) and the SJW crowd, but, in reality, they are never going to be satisfied until Anglo-European America is destroyed – so why bother with them.

The real problem is to find a politician with sufficient power and the cojones to get the project underway (it’s not Donald Trump).

As the American Revolutionaries said, “We shall either stand together, or hang separately.”

“Nuisance”, eh?

It is.
What you posted one has in any of “bad” neighborhoods anywhere in the world.

I was going to post a comparison to the REAL ethnic violence but, then, thought better of it.
You can Google it; it’s all available for those willing to get it. Takes a strong stomach and a bit of introspection, though.

Comparing what you posted to experience of peoples from former Yugoslavia, through Caucasus, Iraq, Syria, Libya to a decent part of Africa and some parts of Asia is just……..interesting, for a lack of better word.

The problem is, though, you can’t seem to get it.
Don’t worry, most of Americans/Westerners can’t, either.
Makes some sort of sense, though. On a couple of levels.

Russia had better hurry up or the whole State will be Filipino

Ha, gotta love autocorrect. That’s PUTIN and Crew.

I do not look up to Russia as a model. But: to the extent that Russians still have the courage and decency to defend their own people in their own country, which we do NOT, that is to be respected, admired, and emulated.

Likewise, my government appears to have armed and aided ISIS along with other Islamists in Syria. As far as I know, Russia has only attacked and opposed those animals. Another area where Russia deserves respect and praise, not my gov.

Having said that, it sounds like Purim and Crew need to do a lot more to deport and exclude non-Russian Muslim from Central Asia. The longer they wait, the harder and more violent it will be.

(Yes, I’ve heard all about Tajiks, Kyrgyz, etc being “more peaceful” and “more assimilated” than the muslims invading Europe. Seems to be correct based on accounts by Russians. They still need to go. Especially if they have higher birth rates than Russians. It’s bad enough that Bashkir, Tatars, and especially Chechens / Dagestanis / Ingush are part of “Russia.”)

He will soon get to be part of the Russian solution anyway!

We won’t let the samurai take even the smallest piece of our land,
We will stand up and protect the capital of amber,
We will save our Sevastopol and Crimea, for the sake of our descendants.
And we will return Alaska to the haven of the motherland.

You have point but you are overstating it. The serious attacks and RAPE I recounted, were not a “nuisance.”

My friend who was raped by the African has never felt safe again.

My friend who was beaten down on the subway in NYC has a lifelong injury.

My back problem has worsened and will never go away.

You underestimate the frequency and severity of African brutality in the USA. Look up the story of an autistic white guy in Chicago who was tortured and scalped by Africans, recently.

Look up the whites who were raped, beaten, and tortured by drinking drain cleaner.

“Nuisance”, eh?

If their home countries won’t take them back, shoot them. Sad, but we won’t be the ones causing that. Their home countries can take them back.

“A reading comprehension issues (sic)”?

Not me, brah.

I get your point.
Mine is, again, simple: Russia and/or Russian model is NOT a solution.

You talk about your problem with, what’s the current proper…ah, yes, “African-Americans”.
Make ……..no………mistake……..here.
It is one thing to be singled out by a “bad guy” on a street and beaten up.
It is ABSOLUTELY another to have a state “team” knocking at your door at 2 A.M. THINK about this for a moment. You….Americans….and most Westerners just don’t get it. True, it’s not happening now in Russia. But, it was happening a lot before. Should things get bad for the Kremlin I am positive it will start happening again.
Then, another thing. Proper ethnic violence. Actually….only “African-Americans” had it similar in some parts of US. Or some other minorities. Thinking about it even whites, as in that “county war” in 19th century.
When OTHER hordes, armed to teeth, get into your village, town…even part of a city.
THAT level of violence against a person/family you…Americans (and most Westerners) just don’t get.
Think about it a bit. Try to visualize all that.

Well…say, this latest flurry of articles/comments about Balkans, for example.
Compare your/whites problem in USA to an ethnic group problem in Bosnia during “troubles”.
Compare you/your family plight to a plight of a, say, Muslim family when they realized that the defense of Srebrenica collapsed and Serb mechanized infantry is coming into their hamlet in 30 minutes.
No offense, but really…..

Your real problem is simple. You/we still have it so good that we aren’t willing to risk.
You…aren’t willing to risk getting into…ahm…”serious self-defense” there (and you have all the means at your disposal)….because, say, even successful legal defense can render you really poor.
Fine.
Can you compare that to a man with an AK-47 with 3 magazines and a week of training, waiting for OTHERs mechanized infantry, to buy some time so his family could get some chance fleeing into other “safe haven”?

Bottom line is: you/we don’t have a problem. We have a…nuisance. That nuisance needs fixing.
And looking to/up to Russia as a model is wrong.

Yes, actually, much of your comment makes perfect sense. I agree that I prefer to raise my family in the USA rather than Russia now and for the near future.

But will that always be the case?

Russia has more severe problems than much of the USA in important respects.

But, among other differences, why should we ignore the presence of TENS OF MILLIONS of generally hostile, belligerent Africans in the USA, and their near-complete absence in Russia?

Africans here in the USA have assaulted and constantly harassed me, my wife, and many of my friends and relatives — including a much younger, larger black guy knocking me down for no reason on the sidewalk in downtown LA two weeks ago while saying “be careful, white bitch” (further injuring my back).

Next example, current time: just this year, the teenaged daughter of my cousin was attending an event with her boyfriend in Philly earlier this year. With no cause or provocation, African-”American” men savagely attacked him, breaking his jaw, giving him a concussion, and sending him to the hospital.

Next example, about 30 years ago: my best friend, a slightly built and quiet kind guy, then a teenager, was savagely assaulted and robbed and terrorized by a group of African “youths” (as our newspapers often call them) on the NYC subway system. A black adult passenger nearby LAUGHED out loud as the savages kicked him while he was down, spit on him, threatened to kill him, laughed, and spouted racial epithets.

Another acquaintance was brutally raped in Trenton, New Jersey, where she (then a “progressive”) was foolishly visiting on a regular basis to do charitable work for “the disadvantaged.”

These attacks happened. They are not a figment of our imagination, and they cannot reasonably be dismissed as trivial. They are “a big deal” physically and emotionally, and they rightly change our outlook, our decisions on where to live and work, our decisions about where to raise our kids, and ultimately our decisions on where to retire or even emigrate if need be.

This is not a good, safe, civilized life anymore, and it’s not an isolated incident in my life or in the lives of other non-Africans in the USA. People can get lucky for a while, or they can strenuously avoid Africans when possible (hard to do for those of us who work in downtowns where they congregate to panhandle or harass). Or they can pretend it’s not happening (the popular choice in lefty PC places like LA). But our experiences are a fact, they are numerous, and things are NOT getting better.

Another commenter here mentioned Germans starting to flee to Hungary and buying property there for retirement or otherwise. And everyone here surely has heard of the MASSIVE phenomenon of “white flight” in the USA, in which we are forced to leave the neighborhoods and towns/cities that we and our parents, grandparents, and ancestors built because of the never-ending drive of Africans to hurt us and make our lives miserable and frightening.

I predict that there will be a widespread exodus of Germans out of Germany, French out of France, Italians out of Italy, Swedes out of Sweden, as the Muslims and Africans grow in numbers, confidence, and aggressiveness — and then in political power. They will likely prefer Poland, Hungary, and the like over Russia, but when things get bad enough, some of them will desperately accept residency in Russia if it is offered. A logical choice, too, given the circumstances.

So yes, we need to change the USA and bring down its sick destructive Empire, not just idealize Russia. And Europeans need to deport and exclude people from alien cultures and retake their lands by any means necessary, not look to Putin or Russia as saviors.

But if we are unsuccessful, Russia may look to many people like a less-bad option — however unlikely that would have seemed before things deteriorated so badly in the West.

Just think how drastically different “France” is today from 20 years ago. The pace of demographic and cultural change seems to be accelerating, so imagine what “France” or “Germany” will be like in 20 years more.

Russia merely needs to “hold its own” in terms of culture, demography, and violent crime rates, while the Western countries sink into Third World Hell. Russia might or might not be able to do that. But if they do, it will become rational to view Russia as the less-unfavorable option for those who can get in.

Admittedly, I wouldn’t enjoy the cold in Russia — especially after living in Southern California. And it’s not so easy to learn that language well enough at my age, let alone later.

But Russia will not be out of the question for many white people who find that they have nowhere else to run. (Unclear whether Chinese/Indian Australia will welcome white refugees 25 years hence. I wouldn’t bet on it. Same with Chinese/Indian/Muslim “Canada” by that point.)

God bless and save America, Europe, and Russia and OUR peoples.

Take responsibility for your statements… is it your sport to feign stupidity…

My review of his comment history indicates that Peter’s never taken responsibility for anything he says (or tries to say), but that his dishonesty does not extend to disguising his intelligence.

Take responsibility for your statements. Nobody owes you anything on this forum.
By the way, is it your sport to feign stupidity (noticed already by several commenters on this forum) or, in this case, it is an accidental by-product of unbridled Russophobia of a ziocon?

That is an invalid and, I must say, rather heartless comparison. The French could have remained French even without a Petain, since the French people were not slated for destruction. They could have remained happily French under Hitler’s domination the way Germans could have remained happily German under Napoleon’s domination. Poles didn’t have this option.

There was no collaborationist avenue available to a Pole that would allow him evade the fate the Nazis had in store for him. Even escape to non-Nazi territory wasn’t an option, since the Russians and Ukes also had it in for him (the Wolyn massacres were illustrative in this regard). All he could do was acquiesce to his mistreatment and oppression and hope that perhaps someday it might be miraculously alleviated. Poles and Jews were very similar in this regard. Even if tales of Jewish suffering have been exaggerated, the suffering that is proven (or that I regard as proven) is quite sufficient to describe it as calamitous.

This isn’t to say Poles, historically, have been innocent little lambs. They were as fervently ethnocentric as anyone else at the time. They would have been only too happy to have a “Russian empire” of their own, in which they’d have subjected non-Poles to the same treatment they whine incessantly that Russians subjected Poles to.

It’s this same intense ethnocentrism that will prevent the cooperation among countries necessary to achieve either a viable non-EU alternative international organization or to side with Russia. In the former case, they’ll find it impossible to trust each other. In the latter, they’ll find it impossible to trust Russia.

I have a better idea.

Why don’t YOU provide that information?
Don’t tell me you are lazy too?

While you are at it, why don’t you separate those into two groups?
1. Jews from Russia
2. Russians from Russia

Say:
1. There are 23 medical doctors, 54 PhDs in this/that etc.
2. There are 123 medical doctors, 154 PhDs in this/that.

You do it out of love, of course.

Can’t wait…..

Has not your promised land become inhabited by a large number of “Russian Jews”? Why don’t you go to preach them that their education is inadequate? — This is not just laziness that stops you from checking the educational level (and professional positions) of the émigrés from Russia. — Your posts drip with obsessive hatred for Russians.

Alliance of states/countries where Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia are part of?!

Neutral on politics?

Oh man……….

“Complicated” doesn’t even begin to describe it.

To tell the truth, I think all Slavs believe they ought to be the leaders and masters of all Slavic peoples. They are great people. One of the first diplomatic records of the Slavic people in Europe is of the Slavic leader telling the Avars that ‘other people do not rule the Slav, the Slav rules other people, that’s just how it is with us’.

Similar ideas I have (in regards to your post).

I will focus only on the negative sides (the positives are obvious).

That alliance would be weaker than both the East and West.
Nukes or no nukes, there is several problems involved.
I would see it as a bridge between Russia and West (for trading),
but neutral on politics. The current atmosphere would heavily favor nato/eu even if such a thing happens.

Visegrad alone is not strong enough. (I do support it).
If you add some countries it gets stronger.
You would need potentially allies with Ukraine, the former Yugoslav nations, Romania, maybe Austria.

The positions would be all over the place. Serbs and Croats problem.
Ukraine and Polish disagreements. Romania I dont know much about. But from a poll I saw
they are fairly okay with both Orthodox and Catholics (despite being vary orthodox).\
How about the other nations like Bosnia, Bulgaria?

Its complicated.

I think the jury is still out on the promise of Trumpism. I do think there is an aspiration for a whiter American future but I’m uncertain whether than whiter future would look more like Switzerland or Belarus. On some days, the sheer ineptitude at the very top predisposes me to predict the latter trajectory.

The world is awash with innumerable “case studies” of public policy and I’m sorry to say that none seem to look good for the prospect of human happiness. There seem to be a number of different routes to a convergent misery. There is the impoverished/dysfunctional whiteness of Belarus, the slow death of zero immigration Japan and the dystopian multiculturalism of Sweden.

Maybe the human experiment as a whole has run its course.

That reminds of Canadian jokes about America, the primary difference being that the Canadian versions tended to be much less subtle. That was a while ago though. Canada wound up joining peacefully, and the jokes petered out.

As for the rest, pretty much what Beckow said.

I actually get an impression you really believe all this crap you’ve just written.

And so would you, if you had as much interest in reality-based facts as in substituting fact-free Thrones-ish fantasies for doing the actual leg-work. Perhaps you could point me to the (preferably recent) IMF/CIA/private economic analysis that suggests I shouldn’t believe it.

What I said about Russia’s economic situation, Peter, is not what I “believe”. It is what professional economic analysis has reported. I know it’s difficult for gamers to tell the difference, but I think most of the people reading this thread know & understand it.

“Discredited” by who?

Anti science Jews and pathetic former communist Poles who want to believe the impossible?

Don’t make me laugh.

Debate like a man:

The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

http://codoh.com

No name calling, level playing field debate here:

http://forum.codoh.com

You said:
” Russians tend to believe that they ought to be the leaders and masters of all Slavic people.”

Prove it.

Debate if you think you know what you’re talking about.

You have been challenged, bring it.

The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

http://codoh.com

No name calling, level playing field debate here:

http://forum.codoh.com

Only liars demands censorship.

Well….how about this:

The point of all this exchange with Russians/Russophiles is that their model is not an alternative to West.
It….is……not…..better. It…..is…worse.
W….o….r……s…..e.

That’s so simple that I actually don’t get what’s the problem there.

The Empire ====>BAD.
Russia ========>WORSE.

And, make no mistake, I am talking about people of West and people who are under West dominance as we speak.
Not good.
Should they get Russian “rules” or get under Russian dominance it would be WORSE.
And, I mean average people. Rich…oh yes, they are good either way.

And, take a look at immigration numbers. Where do people immigrate to/from? That’s all you need to know really.
Or….you can get into rationalizations, debates, numbers and such. “Prove” otherwise.

Start from yourself. Would you go and live in Russia? Anyone you know? Anyone done that?
I have tons of immigrants around here. Plenty of Russians too. Some Yanks as well. Tons of Chinese. Don’t know anyone who went to live and work in Russia. Know a couple of guys who went and are in China teaching English.
That’s all I need to know.

That’s just keeping some common sense around here.

Back to The Problem. The Empire.
It definitely needs reforming, or, better, needs reforming so average people can live better.
If you really want my opinion (opinions and arseholes) it’s simple: we do not want to waste time looking at Russia. We want to focus all our energies on making West better.
Now, as long as West is as it is we are stuck with it. And that stuck means confrontation with Russia.
The solution to that (which if not carefully managed CAN go into MAD) is to change West into something better. Definitely not into something as Russia.
And while doing that change not get weak comparing to Russia.

Makes sense?

By the way, I am an American, and I wish I could speak and write some Slavic language the way you guys use my native language (English). Impressive.

Hope you all over there will be wise enough to leave the EU, close your borders to Muslim and Third World immigration, and form an alliance (NOT another super-state) strong enough to stand on your own long-term independent of both the US/NATO and Russia.

Germany’s “men” refuse to even protect their own women and children from murder, rape, assault, and harassment by Muslim “migrants.” Also, many Germans never have children. There won’t be enough young men, let alone young men who don’t hate their own people and culture, to put together an invasion force.

What few young Germans will exist in 25 years, will be too busy fighting street to street against Muslims to think about re-invading Poland or Russia.

Certainly communism wasn’t “the right side” in the Cold War for decent or sensible people. But it’s beginning to look like the victory of the Western “side” of the Cold War wasn’t so salutary for the average person in the long run, either.

Well….you guys are in….peculiar….. position there.
Correct me if I am wrong but you probably got, and are getting, the worst of all that since ’91.
So, you aren’t quite a good example.

BTW, you’ll need to wait to have Chinese “way of work and life” there.
I mean your people working under Chinese management, by Chinese rules.
Then…..we could talk again about that “alternative”.

Actually I’ve been having a contact with one of your guys in Belgrade for a quite some time now.
My understanding of your affairs is…..say, you are between two worlds. Neither good for you.

Great story. I believe it. I lived and worked in DC (which, as you know, some locals like to pompously call “The District”) and have seen similar behavior on the Metro.

Went back to DC recently for the first time in years and noticed a stark difference between the Metro on the weekend (sparse, and what people there were, were often normal, generally friendly and polite tourists from elsewhere in America) and the Metro during the week (lots of visibly unpleasan-to-hostile “African-Americans”, including a slew of fed gov “workers”).

Of course, you can just take the Green Line into Anacostia / SouthEast ANY day, presumably, to get a taste of savage stupidity and the risks that go with it.

I work for someone right now — a sheltered wealthy lefty type who neither takes transit nor walks the streets here in Los Angeles — who badly needs to spend some time walking downtown and especially riding mass transit through vibrantly diverse neighborhoods. He needs the same lesson in reality that your ex-GF got.

DC Metro, like train systems in NYC and throughout the USA, is best avoided during the hours when “school” lets out, if at all possible.

I agree heartily, except I’d say EUROPEAN-American, not merely Anglo-American.

I’m an American and love my country (if not my government), and I’m glad that I live here rather than Russia. But your comment seems to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

First, what percentage of the average American’s shopping cart at Target, Wal-Mart, Sears, amazon.com, etc., consists of products made or even assembled in the USA (versus made in China, Mexico, and the rest of the world)?

Second, are you really lecturing other countries about CORRUPTION? Because our Congressman and presidents aren’t for sale to the highest bidder, and don’t accept many millions of dollars from corporations, unions, PACs, banks, and wealthy individuals with business directly before those same officials? Please. “First remove the mote from your own eye”, as the Bible would say. We appear to be ruled (not “represented”) by an increasingly crooked government.

True. But it is also true that component assembly for each car is available in percentages. The same is true for other manufactured products. That allows customers – or countries like Russia – to pick and choose what products to buy based on where it was mostly sourced. And they are doing it.

Western companies know this. They also want to sell in Russia the same mass-produced product as elsewhere. If Russia will not take products that have large components’ base from some countries (Poland or Romania), then the Western companies will not manufacture there. Maybe that’s a good thing, but at least go into it with open eyes.

Preferences of large customers (e.g. Russia) are respected by businesses and there will be secondary consequences for the Polish economy.

that Germans had no problems with shooting hundreds of thousands Poles

Do you really believe the numbers that 3 millions Poles on top of 3 millions Polish Jews were killed during WWII? There were 70 thousands who died in September 1939 and there were 200 thousands who died during Warsaw Uprising and then it is claimed that circa 200 thousands died in Auschwitz. Yes there were executions but it will be very hard to add up to the total of 3 millions. The 3 millions number was made up after WWII by Jakub Berman to have Poles their own martyrology and not be envious of Polish Jews for whom it was decide earlier and elsewhere that 3 million of them died.

How many Poles were actually shot by Germans? I do not think you can come up with number higher than 50 thousands. Most of these executions were retributions which according to the various conventions at that time made them legal. The logic behind the conventions was that the occupier must have an instrument of repression to maintain order on the occupied territory for which it is responsible. Most of these executions would not have occurred if Poland surrendered to Germany after it lost the war in September 1939. Instead Polish government escaped from Poland and instigated resistance against German occupation by involving civilians and putting them at great risk. Unfortunately Poland did not have men of Marechal Pétain caliber and courage. Pétain knew he would be condemned after the war but he responded to higher call of duty of protecting the biological fabric of French society. He was not concerned with his honor. It was left to General de Gaulle to take care of France’s honor. But it was Pétain who saved French lives. Too bad that Poland pays too attention to honor and is ready to sacrifice lives of its citizens way too easily when saving lives actually requires much higher level of courage and determination. Poland should research and reflect on where form the Messiah complex was injected into its ethos. Who really benefits from it? Do we see the repeat of the same game more recently with Poland’s politics vis-à-vis Russia and Ukraine? Does Poland want to be a hero again?

Do you also lovingly iron your Che Guevara T-Shirt every day?

The whole point of having a Che T-shirt is that one never washes or irons it. I don’t own one.

Kleptocracy? There is some everywhere you go. And binary choices like ‘Empire or kleptocracy’ are infantile. Reality has always been more complex than that.

You didn’t answer my question about most consumer goods coming from China. How about that? Are only Russians short of producing their own ‘consumer goods’ as you claimed above?

I’m not sure which planet you’re on, but you do realize that there is an alternative to the West that isn’t Russia, right? So far, there’s only been one country that has invested in mine without trying to bully us into one bloc or another.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/china-to-invest-2-billion-euro-in-serbia-s-energy-sector

Yes, and I generally like V4. We have an issue with some Hungarian-Slovak history, similar to what Russia and Poland have between each other. But that seems to be deep in the past for now.

Tusk who kept on saying that we need new opening with Russia…

He might have been saying it, but under Tusk Poland aggressively managed the Ukrainian fiasco for Nato. Nobody cares about Nato per se – they are generally positive when they act constructively, although both Czech and Slovakia refuse bass on our territory, unlike Poland.

I think Poland understood under Tusk that supporting Ukrainian nationalists is a provocative act, arming them, training them, prancing around squares with them. It is playing with fire, and fire we got with everyone worse off today than before Maidan. Business has suffered across the region.

Poland intervened in 2013-14 to help overthrow the Kiev government, Russians went into overdrive trying to respond. It was all unnecessary – we should all stay out of Ukrainian domestic politics. Poland has stepped up as a proud cudgel for the crazy elements in Nato who want to fight Russia no matter what. Now for the consequences.

That is not really some killer line. No one has ever doubted that the will to commit such acts existed. “Denial” is mostly a matter of questioning the methods and the total numbers. I don’t have a problem with anyone doing this. Anyone who has spent serious time in such debates knows that the matter is not nearly so straightforward to permit for language like “easily debunked.”

Perhaps that’s just your Polish nationalist mindset at work. It’s as though you somehow believe that if “gassings” could be shown not to have occurred, that would give Germany a green light to reinvade Poland or something.

I got you kid, a bit of an useful idiot, aren’t you? Do you also lovingly iron your Che Guevara T-Shirt every day? Or was that you dad’s?

Other than that, you didn’t answer my very simple question about kleptocracy in Moscow being an alternative to The Empire. How would that work?

I guess reality is too painful.

As for “distraction” here, sorry about that…NOT.

I know that most of you guys here need that daily shot but, in overwhelming the site with that echo chamber of yours you always chase away a couple of guys who really can add some value to all this blabbering here.

Can’t have that, easily, I am afraid.

Poland has had an anti-Russian policy of different virulence since (at least) 1990.

SLD governments tried to be as Russia-friendly as possible. Then there was Tusk who kept on saying that we need new opening with Russia. Of course, the basic tenets of Polish policy (membership in NATO and EU) were constant, but it’s really hard to argue that those were anti-Russian goals.

Poland’s agricultural products (after being blocked from Russia) have been dumped as cheap stuff on EU markets.

That’s part of the picture; We are exporting now to such exotic countries as Qatar or Taiwan.

You are Slovak? What do you think about V4?

To what extent to cars from nations still exist ?
The smallest Peugeot, smallest Citroen, and smallest Toyota all are assembled in Rumenia, as far as I know.
Essentially identical, same engine, Toyota.
Just the interior, and front and tail lights differ somewhat.
My Peugeot has a BMW engine with a ZDF automatic gearbox.
Probably the same engine, and as option, gearbox, fitted into the Mini produced in GB by BMW.
There are less and less design differences between cars, less and less technical differences, nearly all have front wheel drive, engines fitted between the front wheels, gearbox underneath, and independent rear torsion suspension.
This why car advertising has become completely nonsensical.

WWII East European nationalists fighting against Soviet invasion…

Touche! I got you grandpa, a bit of a fascist, aren’t you? Do you also lovingly iron your Waffen SS uniform every day? Or was that you dad’s?

Other than that, you didn’t answer my very simple question about where does US-UK-Australia get its consumer goods? Do they manufacture them?

I guess reality is too painful.

not much correlation…access to Russian market and the friendliness towards Russia

I think there is. Poland has had an anti-Russian policy of different virulence since (at least) 1990. As Poland has escalated in the last few years, so has Russia. I also think the real economic consequences are yet to come – it takes years to change economic links.

Exports to Russia are around 5% of Poland’s exports. That underestimates the importance of Russia because so much of what gets exported to Western Europe is eventually re-exported to Russia. Russia’s market is roughly 20-25% of EU’s. There is also synergy: Russia wants what EU produces and EU needs Russia’s resources. It is simply not logical to think that in the long run this natural economic link would not grow.

Poland’s agricultural products (after being blocked from Russia) have been dumped as cheap stuff on EU markets. That has caused huge dislocations for other EU producers and is not sustainable – prices are too low. So again there will be a cost, it just takes a few years for these trends to work their way through the system.

Russia is increasingly pro-actively blocking its perceived enemies from its markets – even as secondary re-exports. Poland does a lot of assembly manufacturing for Western EU companies. Those companies want to access Russia’s markets. They cannot do it if the components come from Poland. This will hurt.

I agree about the over-bearing Russian tendencies. What can one do? larger nations are like that. I have heard things about Poles from Germans, French and English that were also not exactly ‘polite’. My point is not about friendship or ‘brotherhood’ (I don’t even particularly like our eastern Slovaks :)), it is about self-interest. Poland has forgotten about it and that is sad.

Future is nothing else but a collection of consequences from our past and present. Poles should think before they do stupid stuff – or they will be here in 2050 belly-aching about ‘mistakes were made (again)’.

Maybe instead of your lame ‘I love Russians, they are so much better‘ distractions that you produce here, you should look,realistically, at that kleptocratic “alternative” to West.

Why are you so obsessive about criticizing West?
Are you a kid who forgot how it looked like living under Soviets?

As for WW2 and wrong side, you mean East European nationalists fighting against Soviet invasion/Communist dictatorship?
Or all those sent to Gulags? Including Russian POWs captured by Germans due to Stalin idiocy?

The problem is that there is not much correlation and access to Russian market and the friendliness towards Russia. Russia was putting embargoes or blocked our ports in Zalew Wiślany (Калининградский залив ) no matter whether our relationships were cozy or not. And You overestimate Russia’s importance. Just look at the size of our agriculture exports – after Russia’s embargoes the export rose without any disturbance, as producers turned over to different markets. In the long turn, it was quite healthy.

However, you are mistaking “hating” with being wary. I, personally, like Russians. However, I am affraid of Russia. Once I was on panslavic group, where we were all cozy and friendly. Until one Russian suggested that true Slavic alphabet is cyryllic, and therefore in future panslavic utopia we will be all speaking Russian, using rubles and cyryllic. He seemed genuinely surprised when we had not reacted enthusiastically.

The favourite joke is about Russian and Pole talking.
Russian: “Why there is so much hate between us? We are both Slavs, we should be friends!”
Pole: “Agree! We should be freinds!”
Russian: “Yeah! We should stop this endless fights! Why don’t you join us peacefully?”

Most Russians do not know why it’s funny.

Or another joke, told by my father, when I supposedly asked him whether Russians are our friends. “No, so. Russians are not our friends, they are our brothers. You see, you are allowed to change your friends”. And again, many Russians do not seem to get the joke…

“Virulent, alt-right, far right, NAZI … blah, blah, blah”

What a load of B’S this article is. The Poles and Hungarians are smarter than their western brethren in opposing mass immigration of blacks and Muslims. Multiculturalism is a code word for white genocide pushed by jew elites. The only way to stop them is to kill them, and I think that will begin happening very soon, God willing, beginning with Soros and his family.

“There are no “Polish cars”, because we produce cars under Italian, French and German names”

One reason for that is that ‘Polish cars’ wouldn’t sell well, not even in Poland. Trade-marks matter. But over time those who actually make things, those who physically control the production, end up the winners. That has always eventually happened: you can look at China, or colonial farming, or any number of other historical examples, but those who control the production of goods eventually take over. Those who control ‘trade marks’ and ‘marketing’ lose out.

I always remind my Polish friends that they need to think long term. That means looking at where the future markets will be. Poland has shot itself in the foot by its anti-Russian fanaticism, it is an economic own goal. Today you cannot market Polish goods in Russia as ‘Polish’ – they are hidden under German, Italian, etc… exports to Russia. That is costing Poland enormous money and opportunities. And it is getting much worse, Russians are starting to dig through supply chains and refuse products with major Polish sub-components. Given the size of the Russian market, and the availability of alternatives (Asia) this costs Poland a few percentage points of GNP. Well, there is a price for stupidity…but ‘hating’ must feel so good.

Would you kindly answer the question:

‘How many cars, consumer products, electronics do US, Australia and UK produce?‘

Let me help you: they mostly import their consumer products from China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, etc… They pay for these imports by shipping raw materials, commodities, entertainment, movies, etc… They also pay for it by creating debt out of thin air. That will have to be paid back, or the ‘goodies’ will stop coming. US-UK-Autralia also increasingly sell their countries to immigrants for visas and access to Western real estate. (‘Toys for land’ exchanges.)

It is a great deal, but not sustainable. Maybe instead of your lame ‘I hate Russians, they are so poor‘ distractions that you produce here, you should look at the situation at home. The old biblical ‘you see a speck in your neighbour’s eye…’ – applies to you.

Why do you obsess so much? Are you an old bitter Cold War remnant who fought on the wrong side in WWII?

I’ve learned the best way to deal with denialist, therefore, is simply to remind them that Germans had no problems with shooting hundreds of thousands Poles; why they would care about shooting or murdering millions of Jews?

Useful.

[Gee whiz, where could this hate for immigrants come from?] The Great Replacement? [What are you on about? Relax and live your own life.]

White Genocide. Jewish revenge for the Holocaust. [Jeez, are you kidding?]

“Shove it in their [Tory voters] faces” – Tony Blair’s secret immigration policy. His Jewish immigration minister was allowed to bring hundreds of thousands of migrants in. When she planned a speech to explain and celebrate her policies, Blair forbid it. She was directed to work quietly, with Blair’s full support. White grandchildren for the Blair family, mulatto moron grandchildren (if any) for white Britons. Wogs everywhere in the primary schools, Islamic takeover in two generations. [What are you, a racist?]

shake the bowl until the best ideas rise to the top.

I trust that we can rely upon you to let us know which ideas qualify.

Who doesn’t what?

Why do you publish a link to a thoroughly discredited site as CODOH? I discussed few times with denialists and usually they produce completely absurd and usually easily debunked claims, sometimes including claims which can be debunked by a simple amateur like me with access to google. The problem is only that each time you lose half an hour of time for research, and the denialist will ignore you anyway. I’ve learned the best way to deal with denialist, therefore, is simply to remind them that Germans had no problems with shooting hundreds of thousands Poles; why they would care about shooting or murdering millions of Jews?

There are no “Polish cars”, because we produce cars under Italian, French and German names. E.g. Mercedes, Fiats, parts for Opel and Suzuki, factory of General Motors … I’ve told you that our problem is that no one knows those are produced in Poland. My wife’s cousin worked as some kind of machine designer. I don’t know what his job was exactly, but he said he does the job, sends the project to Germany, where German engineer stamps the projects and then it is sold as German work.

Those claims were never debunked. You are wrong.

Frederick W. Marks III, ‘Wind over Sand, The diplomacy of Franklin Roosevelt’, 1988 Athens Georgia
Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
Charles A. Beard, ‘President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances and realities’, New Haven, 1948
Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath’, Caldwell, Idaho, 1953
Thomas E. Mahl, ‘Desperate deception, British covert operations in the United States 1939-44’, Dulles, Virginia, 1998
Bruce Allen Murphy, ‘The Brandeis/Frankfurter Connection, The Secret Political Activities of Two Supreme Court Justices’, New York, 1983
William L. Neumann, ‘America encounters Japan, From Perry to MacArthur’, 1963, 1965, New York
Waldo Heinrichs, ´Threshold of War, Franklin D. Roosevelt & American Entry into World War II’, New York 1988
Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970

Already in early 1940 the US navy waged war in the Atlantic against Germany.
As Hitler at all costs wanted to prevent that FDR got an excuse for war the USA war in the Atlantic did not provide FDR the excuse he needed.
In his election campaign he had promised ‘not to send USA boys overseas unless the USA was attacked’.
The way out was a Japanese attack.
The commander of the Pacific fleet refused to concentrate the Pacific fleet in ‘the mouse trap’ Pearl Harbour, but, he said to FDR, ‘you can nominate someone else’.
FDR did, he ignored fifty promotion places, and nominated Kimmel.
FDR then sabotaged the negotiations with Japan.
Kimmel made sure the three essential aircraft carriers were on excercise when Pearl Harbour was attacked, what Japan destroyed was scrap iron.
USA war planning began already in 1937.

I am an expat Canadian, not of Hungarian descent, who now is resident in Budapest. I have been resident for more than 5 years and worked on and off on projects for many years before I became a resident. The characterisation of Orban as an “illiberal” is so off-base it makes me cringe. That you couple this straw man example with an attack on Trump (however deserved) deligitimises almost all the rest of your argument (a giant pile of stinking red herring).

When he made the famous comment that maybe Hungary might want to be more illiberal, it was a criticism of the liberalist policies that were tearing apart Greece, Spain, Portugal and now the Ukraine. The real rightest parties have been moved to the fringes of politics. The former communist aparatchiks, reborn as Socialists and Social Democrats have also fallen out of favour after their profligate spending that drove the public debt too high and their thieving practices that enriched an inner coterie have come to light. Far from perfect, the current government at least has conducted open referenda on important issues, has abandoned or reversed policies that proved unpopular or that seemed to cause damage, and certainly represents a majority on the issue of unrestricted immigration (there is a large and welcome legitimate migration of Syrians into Hungary, by the way). There still are wealthy individuals that exercise too much influence (just like almost everywhere else these days it seems) and the rule of law needs to be strengthened. But abuse is at tolerable levels, the streets are safe and services are improving. Government debt has stabilised and is falling as a percent of GDP. General welfare has improved, though not enough to close the gap with the dominant West European economies who still enjoy many privileges, especially in banking and finance.

What makes me cringe is founded on many aspects of what is going on in Hungary, a small country struggling back from a noticable deficit at the beginning of the 1990′s (of which I have direct experience as an advisor to the Privatisation Agency over two years). Many structural issues remain to be addressed. But the innuendo that Fidesz somehow stands apart as a corrupt, authoritarian party does not stand up to much scrutiny. Just remember that Obama came to power as a lawyer and senator of modest means, now retires to multi-millionaire homes and leads a lavish lifestyle, while the Clintons, supposedly dead broke at the end of the Clinton presidency, now boast many, many millions of personal wealth. If the U.S. wants to lead by example, this is what others see and take to heart.

There have been many “carpetbaggers” from the West, such as the example in Poland you use, who sought personal wealth and glory after the transition. They were much more a product of Western belief in its superiority and Western hubris than of local Eastern European politics. Many of the issues you point out were caused by the illusions of rebirth and faith in the West that Easterners naively believed in. Fortunately, local solutions are appearing and local success stories are slowly emerging in the hands of local politicians who understand who they represent.

Wow….my God that’s a paradise.

Russians can buy everything they need, Russian made, there in Russia. They enjoy the long term stability. Self-sufficiency etc.
Oh, that slip of “a matter of a few years”, but we’ll pass.
And, on top of it highly educated population and resources depth.
What a country.

I actually get an impression you really believe all this crap you’ve just written. A true believer.
Good.

I explained that at the end of WWII Germany had hundreds of jet fighters, yet you claim that that the jet engine was a British invention.
There never was any British jet fighter during WWII.

A quote, mutatis mutandis:

Create a strong consumer product industry so an average American/Australian/British/Canadian can buy all he/she needs without any Eastern imports. From stove, through TV to a decent car.
Well, that’s for a starter.

How many cars, TVs and stoves does Australia produce, again? Any?
The Russian consumer can actually buy Russian made versions from both domestic and foreign owned plants that produce all those items on Russian soil. The difference is, and it is a strategic difference, is that the Russian continues to enjoy the long term stability that a positive trade and current account balance implies, while the Westerner contributes to the national debt load in his enjoyment of those items.
In fact Peter, had you done a little homework, you’d know that the Russian economy exhibits an extraordinarily low level of imports for its size. That implies self-sufficiency on a scale not enjoyed by almost any other large economy. In fact, should Russia close its borders entirely to imports, whatever shortfalls occurred would in a matter of a few years be reversed. Well, except for French wines and Italian cheeses. Those are indeed inimitable. That’s what a highly educated population and resource depth gets you.

Yawn.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Simply stated, there were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

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