Hope it's true. I want native next gen games which aren't hold back because someone thought it might be a great idea to start the new generation with a $299 baseline SKU...
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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I don't see why the will buy early .
If they don't care that much improve gfx there is no reason for them to push up there buying habits by years.
Also you forgetting that both of these consoles had sales for $199 and XB even lower for past 2 years .
So $300 and $350 is a fair amount compare to that .
Plus i expect stuff like Fortnite to get cross play so that going to give them even less reason to upgrade .
I’ve mentioned this before but our arguments on pricing often conflate retail pricing & BOM. I think we need to be clearer which ones we are talking about when we give numbers. For example it’s possible that the PS5/XB2 could be $499 BOM and a loss eaten to make it $399, and next thing you know we’ll have both sets of people arguing about how they were “right” on their pricing guesses.
For me Sony BOM would be around $475 to $500 ( i also putting shipping etc etc in that )
What i not certain about is what they going to sell it for .
One nice thing about scarlett that's not getting much attention is the fact I can use my xbox one controllers on it.
I wonder if they will sell just the console with cables for people who already have an x1 controller.
I wonder if they will sell just the console with cables for people who already have an x1 controller.
They will still bundle it with a controller. Not putting a controller in would be immediate bad press.
One thing to remember in a discussion about how hardware RT can be is that there's only one RT support tier in DirectX right now - and that's either no support or full support.
One could argue that if there would be some h/w coming relatively soon with less capable support for RT than what current RT h/w has it would already be baked into DX specs since MS usually know these things way in advance and so far we didn't have a "tier 2" in D3D which was less capable than "tier 1".
One could argue that if there would be some h/w coming relatively soon with less capable support for RT than what current RT h/w has it would already be baked into DX specs since MS usually know these things way in advance and so far we didn't have a "tier 2" in D3D which was less capable than "tier 1".
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Saw this yesterday (artist claims this is real time, crafted in UE4) and I would not be surprised to see character fidelity of this quality be in AAA games next gen (given there are very close competitors this gen already) in real time gameplay (not cinematics):
Source - Liam Grice- Senior Character Artist at Supermassive Games
I just hope animation is commensurate with fidelity next generation.
I think this would be a good time to ban this cunt from further discussions, even in jest. Also, what it is with degenerates and their love for Xbox? It was only recently that I saw that guy, jezz or someshit, trying to delegitimize prevalence of homophobia by conflating it with console fanboyism. These companies need to do a better job of dissociating themselves from toxic influencers because the community deserve better reps.
Source - Liam Grice- Senior Character Artist at Supermassive Games
I just hope animation is commensurate with fidelity next generation.
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I think this would be a good time to ban this cunt from further discussions, even in jest. Also, what it is with degenerates and their love for Xbox? It was only recently that I saw that guy, jezz or someshit, trying to delegitimize prevalence of homophobia by conflating it with console fanboyism. These companies need to do a better job of dissociating themselves from toxic influencers because the community deserve better reps.
Personally I think they're going to take a $100 loss either way given the stats they have on his much first-year buyers spend. As for the price, I'm not sure - there's some light evidence of $499, like the Cerny quote and Reiner's word about the devs, but all I'm (90%) sure of right now is that the BOM will be at least $500.
Both would be nice, I'm sure there's millions of x1 owners with multiple controllers, I have 3.
This looks glorious and I want it.Saw this yesterday (artist claims this is real time, crafted in UE4) and I would not be surprised to see character fidelity of this quality be in AAA games next gen (given there are very close competitors this gen already) in real time gameplay (not cinematics):
Source - Liam Grice- Senior Character Artist at Supermassive Games
I just hope animation is commensurate with fidelity next generation.
Ehhh, I think it can happen on both sides. Someone was saying earlier that Colin Moriarty is a PS fanboy, so there's one.
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Yea, and it would be wise for corporations to hire progressive folks to re-examine these companies' portfolios comprising of influencers they officially recognize by way of free gifts and invites to special occasions. It is morally vacuous to claim that they are "woke" by featuring PoC and women in their ads only to turn around and signal boost these regressive bigoted fucks.
Sure but it’s different when a reputable outlet reports on something having already tested and verified their sources against other sources. That has teeth. Speculating on some pastebin or random on twitter just isn’t the same.
PlayStation 5 Is More Powerful Than Xbox Scarlett, According To Devs
How close are the dev kits to the final specs typically? Do they change wildly or, assuming this statement is accurate, is this a precedent for the final specs of PS5 being more powerful than Xbox? Also, what kind of GPU do devkits come with if they're still researching on it? Are these just prototyped gpus (a small batch AMD manufactured for Sony/MS)?
After a year or two these games don’t come out to the previous gen anymore. AC 2014 for instance came only the next gen. Most games in 2021-2022 will come to next gen only and the Anaconda and PS5 will still be 499$.
You can’t deny the attractiveness of a 299$ console. Most people still consume 1080p content and if that’s the only difference between Lockheart and Anaconda/PS5? That’s one hell of a deal for most of the general public.
Doesn't look very impressive for AAA next gen to me when we already had something like this in-game not cinematics!Saw this yesterday (artist claims this is real time, crafted in UE4) and I would not be surprised to see character fidelity of this quality be in AAA games next gen (given there are very close competitors this gen already) in real time gameplay (not cinematics):
Source - Liam Grice- Senior Character Artist at Supermassive Games
I just hope animation is commensurate with fidelity next generation.
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I think this would be a good time to ban this cunt from further discussions, even in jest. Also, what it is with degenerates and their love for Xbox? It was only recently that I saw that guy, jezz or someshit, trying to delegitimize prevalence of homophobia by conflating it with console fanboyism. These companies need to do a better job of dissociating themselves from toxic influencers because the community deserve better reps.
i expect a lot more!
You shouldn't get your hopes up here. This is part of the Unreal push into movie special effects (ie that starwars demo with raytracing). We won't have rigs powerful enough to push this. But we should have kick ass special effects. Exciting stuff.Saw this yesterday (artist claims this is real time, crafted in UE4) and I would not be surprised to see character fidelity of this quality be in AAA games next gen (given there are very close competitors this gen already) in real time gameplay (not cinematics):
Source - Liam Grice- Senior Character Artist at Supermassive Games
I just hope animation is commensurate with fidelity next generation.
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I think this would be a good time to ban this cunt from further discussions, even in jest. Also, what it is with degenerates and their love for Xbox? It was only recently that I saw that guy, jezz or someshit, trying to delegitimize prevalence of homophobia by conflating it with console fanboyism. These companies need to do a better job of dissociating themselves from toxic influencers because the community deserve better reps.
Now, Ive seen MrX spew the usual bs/lies and absurd half truths, twist facts etc But this... this is crazy psychotic drivel I never knew he was capable of. He doesn't sound harmless at all. He sounds like a crazy, racist conspiracy theorist. I didn't know how Far right that guys agenda is. wow.Hey guys. Could we please get everything related to misterxmedia banned from here, like we already have for some other assholes? It might be easy to laugh at him and call him a simple troll, but don't...
The only issue is the lighting in bright daylight and in day shade makes drakes model looks terrible.Doesn't look very impressive for AAA next gen to me when we already had something like this in-game not cinematics!
i expect a lot more!
While i think nate looks incredible during cinematics his in game model and shading leaves a lot to be desired. He can look really bad in some lightning conditions and never really approaches these renders during gameplay.Doesn't look very impressive for AAA next gen to me when we already had something like this in-game not cinematics!
i expect a lot more!
And that is why I explicitly mentioned, "real time gameplay (not cinematics)".Doesn't look very impressive for AAA next gen to me when we already had something like this in-game not cinematics!
i expect a lot more!
Outside of cinematics, we have seen one game that comes awfully close those images from another project made in UE4, Days Gone:
Images courtesy of Dumbmugi
Honestly, I really thought that I was looking at a next gen baseline when it saw these, insofar as character model fidelity is concerned.
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Funnily enough, if Deepfakes are proving anything, it is that, that is a cheaper way of doing photo realistic character models right for movies.
I don't think Cerny's quote points at $499 at all, actually. They've said similar things about the PS4 back then. It's all about expectations management, setting a narrative, making people think they're getting a lot of bang for the buck - if they'd get surprised by a sticker price that's lower than expected, that's perfect, consumers love this shit.
Good marketing is all about positive surprises and delight.
You usually need some overhead to run benchmarking and debugging software in parallel. This overhead is, nowadays, much smaller than it's been in the past, in relation to the kind of room you need for game data itself.
Sorry if this has been asked before, but..
With PS5 being "fully backward compatible", do we know yet if digital PS3 games (like Scott Pilgrim for example) we have purchased on our PSN accounts be available and playable to owners again on the new system?
With PS5 being "fully backward compatible", do we know yet if digital PS3 games (like Scott Pilgrim for example) we have purchased on our PSN accounts be available and playable to owners again on the new system?
It'll be $499. This thread is going to continue circling back around to try and justify a lower cost only to end up disappointed.
Looks like the next generation of linear adventure games. This is what I expect as a next gen leap from games like Until Dawn and Detroit Become Human.Saw this yesterday (artist claims this is real time, crafted in UE4) and I would not be surprised to see character fidelity of this quality be in AAA games next gen (given there are very close competitors this gen already) in real time gameplay (not cinematics):
Source - Liam Grice- Senior Character Artist at Supermassive Games
I just hope animation is commensurate with fidelity next generation.
And that is why I explicitly mentioned, "real time gameplay (not cinematics)".
Outside of cinematics, we have seen one game that comes awfully close those images from another project made in UE4, Days Gone:
Images courtesy of Dumbmugi
Honestly, I really thought that I was looking at a next gen baseline when it saw these, insofar as character model fidelity is concerned.
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Funnily enough, if Deepfakes are proving anything, it is that, that is a cheaper way of doing photo realistic character models right for movies.
it looks exact the same during gameplay and cut-scenes. this is in-game model of nate during gameplay
Cut-scenes model:
but i agree, in some lightning conditions SSR doesn't work nicely!
That is a question for the Sony SMEs but how I understood it PS3 BC is achieved by PS Now streaming.
My understanding is Sony has only confirmed backwards compatibility for PS4 games.
Good post.
I should mention that a Samsung manufactured die funnily enough kills the Samsung HBM rumor. This would necessitate a Samsung going to TSMC for packaging, which seems very unlikely.
But I absolutely believe a Zen 2 Navi 10 console with SSD can be sold for $399 at retail.
The die size should be in the neighborhood of 320mm^2 as noted and rumored. 16GB of RAM will be comparatively cheaper than PS4 because they don’t need to do clamshell. Prepare for a 9TF system in that case.
If you're targeting a certain resolution at the high end, it doesn't matter much if a lower end SKU can run it at a lower (dynamic) resolution.
How big of a difference are we looking at?
We know gddr6 pulls 2w per chip, not sure what controller pulls. Hbm2 pulls ~20w per 8gb config. Ddr4 would be ~3w per 8gb.
If we look at 5700 vs 5700xt tbp numbers, a 180mhz jump in clocks warrants a 35w increase in tdp, 122w vs 157w.
Is it that everyone went to sleep and woke up forgetting how good current gen games look? Running on 1.8TF consoles?
Only the heretic demo and Book of the dead and a few other landscape stuff look "next-gen" to me. And that is more due to the consistently high level of detail across the board that could probably just be attributed to more texture and more RAM. With exception to the heretic demo though. And if anyone thinks next-gen games won't blow that heretic demo out of the water.... then you are in for some pleasant surprises.
Again, pls all just remember all the great stuff we have seen this gen so far runs on a Jaguar CPU, 1.8TF GPU and 5GB of RAM.
Only the heretic demo and Book of the dead and a few other landscape stuff look "next-gen" to me. And that is more due to the consistently high level of detail across the board that could probably just be attributed to more texture and more RAM. With exception to the heretic demo though. And if anyone thinks next-gen games won't blow that heretic demo out of the water.... then you are in for some pleasant surprises.
Again, pls all just remember all the great stuff we have seen this gen so far runs on a Jaguar CPU, 1.8TF GPU and 5GB of RAM.
Thing is UC4 years old by now and i think Ellie looks just as good maybe better in some ways .
Think people underestimating next gen .
Still characters wise i don't think we have for more to go aside from animation and few small things.
~9tflops in 2020 and 12-14tflops in 2023 for mid-gen refresh both fo $399. sounds dissapointing for me!
The Last of Us part 2's character models looks a gen ahead in my opinion!
Well his post did say he expect Sony to sell at a lost .
Anex how much you think sony would be willing to lose.
They lost money on every consoles so far in the early stages .
IIn uncharted ingame models are the same as cutscenes the problem is that the SSS is broken during day-times.it looks exact the same during gameplay and cut-scenes. this is in-game model of nate during gameplay
Cut-scenes model:
but i agree, in some lightning conditions SSR doesn't work nicely!
I can explain to you why it is happening during daylight and not by nights where SSS is fine.
The SSS in Uncharted 4 is not a one equation SSS where it looks the sme regardless of the lighting condition but mostly is dependable according to light sources. You know skin irl look diffrent according to different lighting conditions. By night it is applied through different spotlights which are abundant, you get a local light just on top of Nathan and characters and it applies SSS on them from local spots an then you go past the previous spotlight to fall under anotehr one by night so you won't have a problem for SSS at all.
During daylight, you only have the sun as global light source which is different from abundant night local spotlights. sometimes the sunlight is occluded by some obstacles and since Uncharted has a static GI, there is no dynamic bounce of dimmer bounced lights from sunrays occluded by obstacles so the skin is not reacting to such non existent dynamic bounced rays. That is why SSS gets broken and not applied during some scenes in daylight.
This is happening also in RE2 Remake and even during night scenes after you go past some local spotlights and you don't fall under a close local spotlight but no one is screaming that for RE2 Reamke.
I don't thin this can be solved in TLOU2 if they are using the same techs especially that they didn't fix or use another tech for motion blur (still the same broken motion blur with ghosting from Uncharted 4).
They can fix this on PS5 by using dynamic GI with ray-tracing coupled with a non fixed SSS equations which will give even more subtle effects where skin looks different accroding to different lighting conditions
Certainly not an expert here but I assume it'd need the very same CPU and the very same memory solution to avoid any draw-backs besides a lower resolution. I don't think that would have been the case here (as in: only difference would have been a much more potent GPU of the high end SKU).
No mid-gen refreshes, please. I think even Sony stated some time ago that they will not go with another Pro version. I'm all in for the form factor refresh, slim versions, but don't want any of that mid-gen upgrade bullshit. And this comes from the mouth, erm, keyboard of a guy who owns Xbox One X and PS4 Pro.
All those site replying the same site based in nothing.
"According to devs" and no one of those devs said the specs of the PS5 or Scarlett? lmao.
But yeah, not much different from the consumer product, probably only more ram.
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Do we anticipate that Sony will have an official limited time trade-in campaign where owners of current gen consoles can trade their consoles for a sizeable credit towards a PS5? Likely a tiered system where XB1X = PS4 PRO > PS4 > XB1 in terms of trade in value It's gives customers the impression that they are saving a great deal of money and assists in getting them to adopt the new gen.
I'm not sure how this would impact this them financially but I thought that any damages could be mitigated by users being prompted to use their saved dollars to purchase games and a number of subscription services. I saw this as a way of them subsidizing costs if their console really is $450-$500.
So good idea, bad idea?
I'm not sure how this would impact this them financially but I thought that any damages could be mitigated by users being prompted to use their saved dollars to purchase games and a number of subscription services. I saw this as a way of them subsidizing costs if their console really is $450-$500.
So good idea, bad idea?
My hot take on next-gen graphics is that we've reached a point where the main drawback is funding, not tech.
As such, I wouldn't expect games to look massively more detailed than they are now.
It's not even a matter of Nathan Drake looking "ok", he looks absolutely phenomenal.
Anything beyond that and you're wasting money imo, especially when art direction, design and estethics can do so much more.
As such, I wouldn't expect games to look massively more detailed than they are now.
It's not even a matter of Nathan Drake looking "ok", he looks absolutely phenomenal.
Anything beyond that and you're wasting money imo, especially when art direction, design and estethics can do so much more.