Look at the blue light stripes on the sides. With it on, they clearly get reflected on the water surface.
Check out the video. The creator says to watch in 4K for the full effect, so a stamp sized gif is probably not the best way to convey the differences.
In the video I did see that in a few scenes, but it all mostly looked the same to me. I'm pretty bad at this stuff usually anyway.
I always see it as comparing "medium" shadows to "high" shadows. It's nice if youve got the overhead, but not worth the frame rate hit for me.
Yeah, I don't see enough of a difference to sacrifice framerate.
Its probably unimpressive because developers have gotten so good doing without it for so long. I don't notice shit in most of these comparison videos unless someone points it out to me or its something obvious like reflections in mirrors or water.
I didn’t even notice the text being reflected. LOL that’s hilarious!!If you're sold on raytracing by such modifications that only operate on screen-space data you need to go back and look at some of the other titles that have shipped/will ship with proper ray-tracing that includes full scene information.
All of the "global illumination" in these mods is inconsistent, noisy, view-dependent, and not at all what proper implementations give: just look at the RT Debug View shots in that and look how much the areas of the screen change just because the lightning comes and goes on the left hand. That's not what proper full-scene ray-traced GI looks like.
Not to mention the direct-reflections also using, again, just screen-space information. When data in the reflection is being lost just because the player is looking away from the stuff being reflected, that masks the whole point behind actual full-scene ray-traced reflections. Heck, this stuff is worse than most shipping implementations, because it's even including the HUD in some of the reflections!
The screen-space reflections and such are better than a kick in the pants, sure, but please tell me this sort of thing isn't ACTUALLY what's selling you on ray-tracing as a graphical technique just because they're dialed up in a way that's unrealistically obvious or ultra-high-contrast, in the face of scores of way better implementations built into the game's runtime that has full information on the entire scene, and/or having art built around proper material definitions instead of what most games were using last generation.
Personally I don’t even really see the major benefit being to real time rendering within videogames themselves, but the ability for better assets to be created during production, being easily able to see real time results of a low performance ray traced environment or asset vs a high performance close approximation.
It's hard to see into the future. But I also see it as a production tool, since games are only going to get more expensive. But I still see the prospect of a full fat GI implementation as a end-all be-all as well.
Same for me - if I put off my glasses. I use about 3 dioptre lenses on both eyes, so hard to ignore, but many people develop slight levels of myopia (or hyperopia ) without ever getting treatment (glasses or a laser operation) for it. If your insurance covers it, you might wanna get an examination of your effective eyesight. It could be a (pun intended) eye-opening experience.
The benefits of full-on RT haven't really been shown off properly from what I've seen - I mean in marketing material and such that would explain to the layman exactly what it does. The best example out there right now is Quake 2 RTX, and neither Nvidia or Bethesda has really bothered to use it as a showcase for the technology. It's a shame, because as soon as you get into a dark room in Q2RTX, you understand exactly what a difference maker RT can be.
I think this is also why the results for gamers appear fairly underwhelming to many, especially in performance vs cards without RTX.
All I'm saying is that the experimental mod shit that spawned after idTech 4 was a mile wide revelation beyond Doom 3 itself. Doom 3 was obviously a dead end, but RT sure as hell isn't.
RT will force designers to rethink their approach to environment and material design. E.g. in case of Bioshock 2 it isn't as much overdone as how light behaves with wet surfaces.
Do you have any good example gifs of it? Ray tracing always makes me feel dumb when it gets brought up, struggle to see a difference that merits all the required power
That is the power of next gen. Barely noticeable difference at the cost of frame rate. The difference also can't be seen in a tiny gif. You gotta be 4K to even notice the difference.
I think it’s a ridiculous thing to put any effort towards right now. A painting can be stunning despite imperfect representation of light and a photograph isn’t automatically good just because it’s maximally realistic.
to the player, pretty close
Proper ray tracing will be the biggest graphical jump since years. You underestimate it because of the baby steps we see now. Just look at the Minecraft example, which is just a mod and not even properly utilizing all possibilities of the tech.
If implementing RT is basically flipping a switch then that’s a very good thing. Right now I don’t think it’s worth it on mainstream hardware. We need performance and image quality far more.
I think performance and IQ are there already with mainstream hardware. not everyone cares for such pristine IQ and framerate
You’re right, I should have been more clear that I meant right now, these first steps are very costly and unimpressive. I understand the eventual potential. I don’t object to the option to use RT in PC games. I don’t want to see this messing with console development, though, until the performance cost is less critical.
Image quality will be far less of an issue once 4K will be standard.
To be blunt, I think the vanilla game looks far better. The raytracing examples just look like bad art design that doesn't fit the Minecraft world.
How soon will we be raytracing in AAA games at 4K? I’d imagine not soon.
