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[–]thr0awae_ak0unt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's a very good guide, it'll go very good with 7 day dopamine fast.

[–]igeleis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I am generally always glad to see elaborate posts on a more strict approach for nosurf on here, since that is the only thing that helped me in the past. In this vein, my last year's post might be very interesting to you or to those who enjoyed your post. https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/apxzkc/nosurf_20_or_nosurf_for_rationalizers_and/

It is essentially a defense of the cold turkey approach, and since my position on that has not changed (it has actually been reinforced), I still endorse everything I wrote there and would like to criticize some aspects you mentioned:

What I 100% endorse is getting rid of your home internet service entirely, by canceling your account. That's what I've also done. However, I also went further and got rid of my smartphone.

The excuses that I mention in my linked-above post will never run out on someone who is addicted. So when you claim that there are legitimate usecases for a smartphone: Yes, true, there are, but not if you're struggling with an addiction that is very much facilitated by that device. Chances are that if the average smartphone user is able to implement the restrictions you are suggesting (like uninstalling specific programs,configuring specific blocking apps etc.), that person will also be tech-savvy enough to circumvent those restrictions. So let's look into the common claims for why someone supposedly still needs his smartphone (some of those claims you are also making, but I don't want to come across too harsh by addressing you directly ;)

  1. "My company requires me to have a smartphone." That may very well be the case, but they will certainly not require you to be available at home, and if it's something about emergencies at work, they can just call you on your dumbphone/landline if you give them your number. Then you can leave your smartphone at your desk at work or in your car and not worry about it at home.

  2. "Navigation/Google Maps/Camera/Listening to music" For each of those things, only 10 years ago very useful things like maps, digital cameras and walkmen existed, and they still do. I can also see you making counter-arguments as to why those are more cumbersome to use because those are three different things you will need to carry with you instead of just one. But I honestly don't see that as a disadvantage since I do not find it desirable to always have all those media with me. Ubiquitousness kills uniqueness. Being able to always take pictures or always listen to music will make these activities meaningless. It's much nicer to pack your digital camera when you know you're going to a place that you want to photograph, or listening to music/podcasts only if you can really concentrate on them. As far as navigation is concerned, your spatial intelligence has probably already suffered from using GPS/google maps instead of actual maps, so take maps as a way not to let GPS technology dumb down your spatial capacities even more.

In the end, I just have to disagree with the OP's notion that discipline/"just quitting" doesn't work. It's only true when you have easy workarounds like some time-control app or another technical solution on your phone that is supposed to make your path to giving in to your addiction harder. They may be useful for slightly addicted people, but not for anybody reading this. The only thing that helps is the via negativa, which means getting completely rid of what is bad for you. Anything else is usually making excuses and also coming across pathetic while doing so. Trust me, I've been there, done that. I surely sound harsh saying this, like I am telling you off, but in the end, strict but well-meaning advice is still the best and only foolproof solution in my experience (so please, OP, do not take this criticism personally. As I said before, I generally agree with your mindset in tackling this problem).

[–]nuclear_no_surf[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heck man, I ain't mad, I agree with you. Read your other post and can really relate to 100% of it. I think I have to hand over the title of "nuclear option" to you, honestly. Your approach is honestly the only absolute, guaran-fucking-teed, million dollar solution. I dig it and may use it eventually.

You're right that the reasons for keeping the smartphone are just excuses. I spent a good bit of time looking into dumbphones, but came across the app-deletion process before I pulled the trigger on one. If this doesn't work long-term, I will probably follow in your footsteps. But I'm hopeful this technique will work for me long term for a few reasons:

  • I think the technique shifts your efforts from internet management to meta-management. (I will admit that your approach is the ultimate meta-management technique though.) My goal is to limit my access to the tools I use to manage my access, if that makes sense. Hence the deletion of ADB files and off-site app-blocker password.
  • The act of physically separating the means of unlocking the phone from the phone itself is fundamental, IMO. I can't just dig the sheet of paper with my password out of the closet and quickly unlock the phone.
  • Another reason that this process is critical (as compared to a simple password-locked app blocker) is that the ADB command process is more difficult to undo than simply driving to a place with public wifi. I've used the password-locked apps, but the problem is that unlocking the apps is usually easier than driving across town (even factoring in the effort required to obtain the password). I'm depending on the path of least resistance being tilted in my favor.
  • Jn your other post, you wrote: "We are addicted, and we are smart enough (as well as often technically skilled) to circumvent any of those restrictions and apps. " This is completely true and unfortunately ironic. I can tell, though, that you have much deeper technical skills than I do. The above guide is as deep as I can go with ADB. Unfortunately, I do know how to reverse the process. This may prove to be the fatal flaw in this whole scheme. We will see. I do know that the idea of having to reverse this shit is daunting even if I had all of the files on-hand.

I hope my response didn't provide too many upcummies for you. 😉😂 Thanks for the quality input.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The one and only quip I must raise is how are you gonna Netflix and chill?

[–]nuclear_no_surf[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Go to her place, but whatever you do don't ask for the wifi password.

[–]Radiant_Board 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can do this on ios too, with parental controls (and a trusted person to set your passcode). You can uninstall all your annoying apps and then disable the app store and set your browser to whitelist only, so you can only use e.g. google search and wikipedia. Without the passcode, there's nothing you can do to enable it again.

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    [–]nuclear_no_surf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You can choose which apps you want to leave alive, so if you need a specific work-focused app, you can leave it active. But you also must delete the browser from your phone (if you are me), and having internet access at home negates this whole process.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I did something similar with my Galaxy S8. It came down to deleting the system's Package Installer and forgetting its name to avoid emailing myself a Firefox/whatever .apk and abusing it from there.

    It was working well, but unfortunately I tapped on an OTA update one day which failed and bricked the thing, forcing me to restore from a system image.

    I would love to buy a future-proof flip phone (4/5G or something) and settle down that way. Phones are too complicated now.

    [–]threeameternal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm doing something similar to you. I plan to only use the internet at cafes and the library on a laptop. I don't have a phone addiction but i need to permanently disable the hotspot so I don't go online at home via the computer using the phones data plan.

    Did you try the suggestions here?

    https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/145838/how-do-i-disable-the-mobile-hotspot-feature

    I have android 9 so not sure if it will work for me, using macros like you do is a last resort I suppose. I use a lot of apps for work so I don't want to mess up my phone. I like the idea of just deleting some code like the hostapd file. That said, I'm not that familiar with android.

    [–]Suukra 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    This is not the nuclear option. You still have your smartphone as a source of temptation. Downvoted.

    [–]Radiant_Board 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Temptation to do what? Call and message people? Did you even read the post, or at least the top half of it?