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    Paris, France, 9 January 2019 French Democracy Dead or Alive? Or perhaps one should say, buried or revived? Because for the mass of ordinary people, far from the political, financial, media centers of power in Paris, democracy is already moribund, and their movement is an effort to save it. Ever since Margaret Thatcher decreed that...
  • Seems like its over now?
    Attack, We are the 99%, massive war protests against e.g. the Iraq war and so on, it alla faded pretty soon. They – the One Percenters – and their sidekicks ain’t affected an iota, these things are no thereat what so ever to them. Their economic hegemony are safe and solid. And they have a firm grip on the propaganda machine.
    Real revolutions are rare.

  • The decision of the San Francisco school board to obliterate the historic murals in George Washington High School is not just another instance of Identity Politics foolishness. It is also a terrifying illustration of the drastic mental decline of what is called “the Left”. Back in the 1930s there was a Left that had brains....
  • @nokangaroos
    If I may say so as an un-American:

    It can be argued that the crushing of the Whiskey (and especially Shays´) Rebellion was America´s Original Sin - the first violation of good faith like the Boston Tea Party was the first false flag - and it went downstream from then on.

    But we see iconoclasm carries the risk of being burned at the stake - the People do not WANT to be parted from their myths; it has something to do with ego-defense - rationalizations for one´s own depredations are more comfortable ... nothing else the Greeks meant by the veiled statue of Sais: Nekkid Truth is seldom pretty :P

    James Joyce — ‘History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.’

    Every nation and culture is built on a huge pile of lies–we Americans have no monopoly there.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  • @Svante
    George Washington certainly wanted to 'extirpate this exhorable race' as much as Amherst and Franklin. Had over a hundred slaves working hemp plantation / sailcloth & ropewalk (his original interest in the C&O Canal, he sorta started the Seven Years War to secure). But, WHO sent 13,000 militia to crush white settlers, trying to sell their rye, downriver; during the Whiskey Rebellion? If you patriots pay for the Krylon, I'll be happy to fly out & add the renters, veterans, Shawnee, Mingo, Wyandotte, French, English, Lenni Lenape and the Gnadenhutten Massacre! You can't paint out TRUTH.

    https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-20-02-0661

    If I may say so as an un-American:

    It can be argued that the crushing of the Whiskey (and especially Shays´) Rebellion was America´s Original Sin – the first violation of good faith like the Boston Tea Party was the first false flag – and it went downstream from then on.

    But we see iconoclasm carries the risk of being burned at the stake – the People do not WANT to be parted from their myths; it has something to do with ego-defense – rationalizations for one´s own depredations are more comfortable … nothing else the Greeks meant by the veiled statue of Sais: Nekkid Truth is seldom pretty 😛

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    James Joyce — 'History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.'

    Every nation and culture is built on a huge pile of lies--we Americans have no monopoly there.
  • @animalogic
    That amounts to "belittling" ?
    Perhaps you are as whinny, knee-jerk super sensitive as those you criticize?

    Ms. Johnstone will be delighted to learn it is not limited to the Left 😛

  • Quite cogent.

    It is interesting that many of the people who want this mural obliterated are the same ones that just this morning are frantically posting the image of the man and child from El Salvador laying face down in the river in as many public forums as possible. I guess they have never asked themselves why images illustrating injustice from 50-100 years ago are “triggering” while images illustrating “injustice” from last week are not (and, quite the contrary, are almost exultantly posted as evidence of their enlightenment).

  • George Washington certainly wanted to ‘extirpate this exhorable race’ as much as Amherst and Franklin. Had over a hundred slaves working hemp plantation / sailcloth & ropewalk (his original interest in the C&O Canal, he sorta started the Seven Years War to secure). But, WHO sent 13,000 militia to crush white settlers, trying to sell their rye, downriver; during the Whiskey Rebellion? If you patriots pay for the Krylon, I’ll be happy to fly out & add the renters, veterans, Shawnee, Mingo, Wyandotte, French, English, Lenni Lenape and the Gnadenhutten Massacre! You can’t paint out TRUTH.

    https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-20-02-0661

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    If I may say so as an un-American:

    It can be argued that the crushing of the Whiskey (and especially Shays´) Rebellion was America´s Original Sin - the first violation of good faith like the Boston Tea Party was the first false flag - and it went downstream from then on.

    But we see iconoclasm carries the risk of being burned at the stake - the People do not WANT to be parted from their myths; it has something to do with ego-defense - rationalizations for one´s own depredations are more comfortable ... nothing else the Greeks meant by the veiled statue of Sais: Nekkid Truth is seldom pretty :P
  • @anon

    ...who chose to depart from the sterilized “I cannot tell a lie” cherry tree myth and the crossing of the Delaware glorification of George Washington to introduce reminders of the forgotten victims of the foundation of the United States – the exploitation of African slaves and the violent expropriation of Native American lands.
     
    Johnstone belittles the complex and often noble history of the colonists, pioneers and Founding Fathers as just a cherry tree myth.
    And she wonders why her fellow Leftists have no brains?

    That amounts to “belittling” ?
    Perhaps you are as whinny, knee-jerk super sensitive as those you criticize?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    Ms. Johnstone will be delighted to learn it is not limited to the Left :P
  • Ah-men! (any relation to Caitlin, parchance? 😛 )

    But I think the problem is broader. In drugs, it is called “tolerance” i.e. you need ever more of the same to get the same high … like you are increasingly “triggered” by ever less noticeable things.
    “Identity politics”, “the Bubble”, whatever you call it, produces thin-skinned, hypersensitive whiny little shits incapable of arguing a point or compromising; then they turn to violence but even that is pathetic – just look at what passes for “political discourse” these days.

    Thank Odhinn White hetero males get these kinds of crap beaten out of them by age three 😛

  • anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    …who chose to depart from the sterilized “I cannot tell a lie” cherry tree myth and the crossing of the Delaware glorification of George Washington to introduce reminders of the forgotten victims of the foundation of the United States – the exploitation of African slaves and the violent expropriation of Native American lands.

    Johnstone belittles the complex and often noble history of the colonists, pioneers and Founding Fathers as just a cherry tree myth.
    And she wonders why her fellow Leftists have no brains?

    • Replies: @animalogic
    That amounts to "belittling" ?
    Perhaps you are as whinny, knee-jerk super sensitive as those you criticize?
  • Every automobile in France is supposed to be equipped with a yellow vest. This is so that in case of accident or breakdown on a highway, the driver can put it on to ensure visibility and avoid getting run over. So the idea of wearing your yellow vest to demonstrate against unpopular government measures caught...
  • @Diana Johnstone
    I am certainly not naive, but I refrain from making statements I can't prove. I have also seen such phenomena, but I didn't actually witness it in this case. Anyone can be suspicious but I stuck to known facts.

    Dear Diane Johnstone, I have been reading your reports for I think probably 30 years, and always learn much from them, not only in detail, but how to analyze the matter. As I remember, long ago, before 1989 (?), you sent them on paper, and I still have several of them on the Soviet Union. I cannot find them now among my papers, but for my own research and political work I would find those old reports on paper very, very useful. Do you have them archived in any electronic way, so that you could make them generally available? If not, do you think you could have them scanned and made available? If this were possible, how much do you think it would cost?
    Saludos solidarios,
    John Womack

  • Paris, France, 9 January 2019 French Democracy Dead or Alive? Or perhaps one should say, buried or revived? Because for the mass of ordinary people, far from the political, financial, media centers of power in Paris, democracy is already moribund, and their movement is an effort to save it. Ever since Margaret Thatcher decreed that...
  • Johnstone is da best! Hands down!

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  • @Rob Bandon
    U make incorrect assumptions.
    "Magyars were ‘subjects of Attila‘ is a made up mythology"- says you.
    Magyars were not known as magyars till hungary was born.
    each 'hungarian' tribe had their own name.

    "The whole Attila link is a mostly 19th century mythology invented by Magyar nationalists to give themselves more longevity in the Carpathian basin"= except it is in ancient folk lore, not 19th c.

    Let me try to address your points:

    – I agree that the Magyar language is very ancient. I have heard about the claimed Sumerian link, not as much about the Etruscan link. One explanation for the Sumerian link is linguistic dispersion from the mega-Sumeria region northward and thus influencing proto-Magyars. The pre-ancient proto-Sumerian civilization around Indian Ocean was very widespread and incl. Elam, Indus Valley. etc… It is very likely that ancestors of Magyars who were a few hundred miles to the north were also linked to it.

    If you have any data on the Etruscan link, I would like to see it. The Etruscan language is not deciphered and the remaining writings seems to be mostly divinity jibberish, but I am not an expert, so maybe I am missing a link.

    it is in ancient folk lore

    The ancient folk lore among Magyars is not a reliable source. The most likely link to Atilla and the Huns is with some Middle Age attempts to create a coherent story. It varies very little from the eventual consolidation of these folk tales in the 19th century as a founding myth for Magyars. There is no historical evidence that Magyars were related to the Huns – and they were separated by 400 years. If Huns stayed living in the Carptahian basin post 5th century, why aren’t they ever mentioned (e.g. in the Byzantium or Frankish sources).

    Slovakia is a new country, but an old nation. There was in the 9-10. century a state called (Magna) Moravia and also a Nitra principality. The modern cyrilic alphabet originated there. This is very well documented in historical sources. For the next 1,000 years the population of Slovakia (or northern Hungarian and later Habsburg kingdom) was largely composed of Slovaks.

    Both Hungary and the Habsburg Empire were consciously multi-national, so to claim:

    pre-WW1 territory was ALWAYS Hungarian

    …is very misleading. Magyars are not the same thing as Hungarians, the territory contained multiple nations, and it was controlled between 16. and 19.th century by the Austrian Habsburgs from Vienna. Magyars were a subject nations, the same way as Czechs, Croats, Italians, Slovaks, Poles,…

    The Slovak etymology for ‘Hungarian’ is very simple from ‘Uhri’ based on ‘U hory’ – literally means next to the mountains. That’s the way my ancestors have always understood it. They might be wrong, but it is also a perfectly viable etymology.

  • @Beckow
    You are all over the map and assign to others what you are doing yourself. There were 50o years between Huns and Magyars. 500 years. Your statement that Magyars were 'subjects of Attila' is a made up mythology. It is completely unsupported by any sources. Magyars were not known at that time of Attila.

    Huns were nomads, we agree, but not all nomads were Huns. There were Scyths, Sarmatians, and later on - 5oo years later - there were also Magyars. Ethnically Huns were most likely Mongol tribes with possibly some Turkish allies. Magyars are Ugro-Finns, related to Finns, Estonians, Mordvins, etc... DNA testing of Magyars shows them almost identical to their Austrian, Slavic and Romanian neighbors - they are not Asian nomads.

    I meant Uhri and Wengri - the name that Magyars are called by Czechs/Poles etc... It is clearly derived from 'U hory' that means 'next to mountains'. The Ungarn is a German translation. Wends are completely different people by Baltic see, why are you mixing them into this?

    My point was that Magyar link to 'Huns' and Attila is almost completely made up. There is no historical evidence for it. The fact that English language uses the word 'Hungarian' is simply another English historical inaccuracy. Magyars call themselves Magyars - there is no word among Magyars that even approaches anything sounding like 'Huns'. The whole Attila link is a mostly 19th century mythology invented by Magyar nationalists to give themselves more longevity in the Carpathian basin. And something to use in their children stories. Just like Romans were claiming descent from Troy. Right.

    U make incorrect assumptions.
    “Magyars were ‘subjects of Attila‘ is a made up mythology”- says you.
    Magyars were not known as magyars till hungary was born.
    each ‘hungarian’ tribe had their own name.

    “The whole Attila link is a mostly 19th century mythology invented by Magyar nationalists to give themselves more longevity in the Carpathian basin”= except it is in ancient folk lore, not 19th c.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    Let me try to address your points:

    - I agree that the Magyar language is very ancient. I have heard about the claimed Sumerian link, not as much about the Etruscan link. One explanation for the Sumerian link is linguistic dispersion from the mega-Sumeria region northward and thus influencing proto-Magyars. The pre-ancient proto-Sumerian civilization around Indian Ocean was very widespread and incl. Elam, Indus Valley. etc... It is very likely that ancestors of Magyars who were a few hundred miles to the north were also linked to it.

    If you have any data on the Etruscan link, I would like to see it. The Etruscan language is not deciphered and the remaining writings seems to be mostly divinity jibberish, but I am not an expert, so maybe I am missing a link.

    it is in ancient folk lore
     
    The ancient folk lore among Magyars is not a reliable source. The most likely link to Atilla and the Huns is with some Middle Age attempts to create a coherent story. It varies very little from the eventual consolidation of these folk tales in the 19th century as a founding myth for Magyars. There is no historical evidence that Magyars were related to the Huns - and they were separated by 400 years. If Huns stayed living in the Carptahian basin post 5th century, why aren't they ever mentioned (e.g. in the Byzantium or Frankish sources).

    Slovakia is a new country, but an old nation. There was in the 9-10. century a state called (Magna) Moravia and also a Nitra principality. The modern cyrilic alphabet originated there. This is very well documented in historical sources. For the next 1,000 years the population of Slovakia (or northern Hungarian and later Habsburg kingdom) was largely composed of Slovaks.

    Both Hungary and the Habsburg Empire were consciously multi-national, so to claim:

    pre-WW1 territory was ALWAYS Hungarian
     
    ...is very misleading. Magyars are not the same thing as Hungarians, the territory contained multiple nations, and it was controlled between 16. and 19.th century by the Austrian Habsburgs from Vienna. Magyars were a subject nations, the same way as Czechs, Croats, Italians, Slovaks, Poles,...

    The Slovak etymology for 'Hungarian' is very simple from 'Uhri' based on 'U hory' - literally means next to the mountains. That's the way my ancestors have always understood it. They might be wrong, but it is also a perfectly viable etymology.
  • @Beckow
    Your summary is informative, thanks. But I don't see any actual linsk between 4th century Huns and 9th century Magyars, other than geographic proximity (with a few hundreds years gap) and the fact that uninformed outsiders often used same names for similar groups.

    in Hungary schoolchildren were taught to look up to their “glorious Hun forefathers” with patriotic pride. An exclusive rowing club in Budapest was called “Hunnia,” and Attila is still a popular first name in Hungaria
     
    That is true, but means very little. Magyars have had an affinity for nomadic raiders the same way as some Celts worship 'King Arthur', Romans claimed descent from 'Trojans', or today's Macedonians claim descent from Alexander Macedonian. History is full of false narratives, people like to mythologize. Linguistic, DNA and historical sources contradict any actual link. Some Magyars have tried to suggest that Huns somehow hid for a few hundred years in the Carpathian basin - unseen and undetected. Or that they were remains of Huns in Central Asia who joined Magyars on their trek westward. It is highly unlikely, and in any case 'Huns' are not a well defined tribe.

    There are credible alternative explanations for the German term 'Ungarn' (from which 'Hungary' was derived). The region has been referred to as Uhri or Wengri by surrounding nations like Poles, Czechs, Romanians since time immemorial. It means roughly 'next to mountains' - 'u hor'. Germans automatically replace 'h' with 'g', and Ungarn looks like an adoption of the local term 'Uhri'. It would simply mean the country 'next to mountains', and it is that, a huge valley surrounded by the Carpathian mountains. No need to dream up a Hun-Attila connection, other than by lazy English outsiders. Magyars are Ugro-Finns from around Ural, a much more interesting reality.

    The Fin connection is a poor one, started in the 19c by the Austrians to misdirect HUngarian culture away from its true roots, & has continued ever since. There is indeed some connection to Finnish language, but it is minimal, going back over 3000 yrs. There r far closer linguistic links to other groups, as well as cultural/ancestral/mythic.

    An indepth investigation into magyar folk lore going back many milenia show connections to Sumeria (an identical musical instrument, & similar linguistic aspects, where were used early on to translate Sumerian).

    The language is far older than indo euro languages, & remains largely intact at its base, a rare feat.

    An italian professor emeritus Mario Alinei confirmed Magyar language is essentially Etruscan.

    The myths & chronicles mention Atila, Hunor & Magor etc.

    The weapons r identical, fighting style, etc.
    It is also chronicalled that the 1st hungarians were able to speak to the natives in magyar.
    recent Genetic evidnce etc.

    I suggest u do far more research rather than relying on wiki & politically motivated common media.

  • @Michael Kenny
    The usual anti-EU propaganda that Ms Johnstone has been peddling for at least a dozen years, although she has recently moved from claiming to be a far-leftist to claiming to be a far-rightest. Whatever pretext “proves” the EU to be evil is trotted out! However, she points out very clearly Viktor Orban’s dilemma. The choice for Hungary is between the EU and Putin’s tanks. After 40 years of occupation by a Soviet Union in which the ethnic Russians acted as colonial overlords and the general contempt which Hungarians have for Slavs, choosing the latter option would be political suicide for any Hungarian leader. Thus, Orban is stuck with the EU whether he likes it or not and the other Member States are stuck with Orban whether they like it or not. In addition, two of Ms Johnstone’s factual claims need to be corrected. The “EU” is taking no step whatsoever to strip Hungary of its political rights. The (according to Ms Johnstone, “largely rubber stamp”) European Parliament has adopted a resolution calling on the Member States to sanction Hungary. The EP always does something attention-grabbing in the run up to elections and since Ms Johnstone once worked for the European Parliament (as a far-leftist!), I’m sure she knows that. Imposing sanctions, as always in the EU, is a matter for the sovereign Member States and the decision has to be unanimous. Poland has already said it will not vote for sanctions, so the whole thing is a dead letter. Secondly, the claim that Hungary “never had a colonial empire” is untrue. It never had a colonial empire outside Europe but before 1918, it ruled over Slovakia, most of Croatia, Transylvania, now part of Romania, and the Vojvodina, now part of Serbia (so much for Ms Johnstone’s supposed “expertise” on ex-Yugoslavia!). In general, the frantic, almost hysterical, tone of the article suggests that Ms Johnstone doesn’t believe that Viktor Orban is going to be the cause of the imminent and inevitable demise of the hated EU that she has been predicting for as long as I have been reading her articles (and that goes back at least 14 years!).

    Hungary is over 1100 years old. Most of pre-WW1 territory was ALWAYS Hungarian as officially sanctioned by the pope of the day.
    The areas you mention were not ‘established’ countries nor known for settled populations till after Hungary became a nation.

    Slovakia- never existed till 1800’s if i recall..
    Croatia- voluntarily joined with Hungary for mutual protection
    Transylvania, is hot disputed. Romania claims it based on dubious unsubstantiated claims.
    Vojvodina- not enough info to comment

    many groups were allowed in over the centuries & retained their ethnic identities.

    So no, Hungary NEVER had a colonial empire by normal standards. But if by your stds they did then EVERY nation was a colonial empire at one time so the phrase is of zero relevance.

    eg US Indians often invaded & colonized other indian territories, same with Aus Aborigines, NZ Maoris, etc etc.

  • Paris, France, 9 January 2019 French Democracy Dead or Alive? Or perhaps one should say, buried or revived? Because for the mass of ordinary people, far from the political, financial, media centers of power in Paris, democracy is already moribund, and their movement is an effort to save it. Ever since Margaret Thatcher decreed that...
  • As long as Europe exists under the American military and “nuclear umbrella”, its brand of “socialism” works. If Europe had to provide for its own defense, its “socialist utopia” would collapse.

  • @jilles dykstra
    Not just in France, in any country more or less controlled by jews.
    Maybe you can turn it around: in any country where holocaust doubts cannot be expressed there is jewish control.
    Often these also are the countries where doubt on the Armenian genocide is not allowed.
    Jews and Armenians support each other in this matter, as is made quite clear in
    Ralph Giordano, 'Israel um Himmels willen Israel', 1993 Köln
    Giordano is a German journalist and writer, who grew up in WWII, with a jewish mother.
    Ralph Giordano, ‘Die Bertinis’, Frankfurt a.M., 1982
    The novel is seen as largely autobiographic, I fear it may be close to the truth.
    On the other hand, the contrast with
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999 is incomprehensible.
    The whole Giordano family survived WWII, but it was a horrible period for them, as it was for Klemperer.

    As you are Dutch are you familiar with the claim that Holland was not a genuine neutral in 1939-40 ? The German government issued a White Paper which stated that the Dutch military had strategic talks with their British counterparts and were prepared to allow British troops to march through Holland to attack Germany. It also stated that the Dutch government was allowing the RAF to use its airspace to bomb targets in Germany. This link includes info on a book in the Dutch language by Loe De Jong – https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12153

  • Bravo Diana
    A very good analysis of what’s going on here.
    Don’t forgot that we have a long history of beheading traitors like macon.
    The fact that this YV movment has no leader is in fact what make it dangerous for macron.
    Nobody to subvert or buy.
    Yesterday about 300 000 people in the steets, and an approval rate of about 65%.
    Hope other in EU will join or set up their own revolt againts savage capitalism.

  • I finally got around to reading my hard copy of this weeks The Economist. Two GJ pieces (one paragraph in the Charlemagne column and a news article.) Same talking points.

    1. The GJ’s are anti EU
    2. The GJ’s are anti immigration
    3. The GJ’s are anti gay marriage
    4. The level of taxation and redistribution in France is the highest of any country on earth; the GJ’s don’t know what they are complaining about (inference they are spoiled children and stupid)

    At least they didn’t accuse the GJ’s of being anti-semites!

    Well Macron more-or-less already did that one.

  • @jilles dykstra

    The simple fact of it being government makes its interests vastly different from those of the population
     
    I am Dutch, was born in WWII, have been politically interested all my life, both my parents were members of socialist organisations, so I think I have some idea about Dutch politics since say 1960.
    Until, say 2000, we had governments interested in common people, social security systems and policies, around 1980 the socialist government Den Uyl fell because it believed in what then was called 'maakbare samenleving', the intention to regulate even investments by commercial organisations, regulation based on what was seen as good for the average Dutchman.
    I realise that on a world scale this was the exception, but it was not much different in countries as Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
    Even French governments, though French politicians are an oligarchy, cared for the the common man, protectionism.
    Around 2000 this began to change, the EU ideals, illusions, whatever you want.

    I know that getting rid of illusions is always painful. I had my illusions about Western democracy and media, all of which were wrong, as I found after moving to the US more than 27 years ago.
    Just ask yourself, how come the governments of all the countries you mentioned are acting against the interests of the populace for many years, yet keep being “elected”. That tells you all you need to know about representative “democracy”, “free” elections, “free” media, and other myths used to fool people. I have to acknowledge that Soviet authorities were more responsive to the needs and opinions of the populace than “democratic” governments today. Maybe that’s why those “democracies” worked so diligently against the Soviet Union, which was in the end betrayed and destroyed by its elite.

    There are no ideal social systems, but there are different shades of gray, some of which are decidedly black.

  • @Bukowski
    The principle component of a democracy is free speech and they have not had that for decades in France. On July 13 1990 the law against holocaust revisionism went into effect. Free speech doesn't exist in France.
    https://codoh.com/library/document/688/

    Not just in France, in any country more or less controlled by jews.
    Maybe you can turn it around: in any country where holocaust doubts cannot be expressed there is jewish control.
    Often these also are the countries where doubt on the Armenian genocide is not allowed.
    Jews and Armenians support each other in this matter, as is made quite clear in
    Ralph Giordano, ‘Israel um Himmels willen Israel’, 1993 Köln
    Giordano is a German journalist and writer, who grew up in WWII, with a jewish mother.
    Ralph Giordano, ‘Die Bertinis’, Frankfurt a.M., 1982
    The novel is seen as largely autobiographic, I fear it may be close to the truth.
    On the other hand, the contrast with
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999 is incomprehensible.
    The whole Giordano family survived WWII, but it was a horrible period for them, as it was for Klemperer.

    • Replies: @Bukowski
    As you are Dutch are you familiar with the claim that Holland was not a genuine neutral in 1939-40 ? The German government issued a White Paper which stated that the Dutch military had strategic talks with their British counterparts and were prepared to allow British troops to march through Holland to attack Germany. It also stated that the Dutch government was allowing the RAF to use its airspace to bomb targets in Germany. This link includes info on a book in the Dutch language by Loe De Jong - https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12153
  • @AnonFromTN
    That’s exactly what I mean. Widespread belief that the government is on your side is naïve, to put it mildly. It does not matter what form of government it is: ostensibly elected, monarchy, or dictatorship. The simple fact of it being government makes its interests vastly different from those of the population. I have to agree that the EU bureaucracy, which wields power without pretending to be elected, is an abomination even in smoke-and-mirrors “democracy” feeble-minded voters might believe in. However, it is just as subservient to the elites as “elected” governments, so no difference in substance.

    The fact that it takes so long for Europeans to put two and two together is hardly an extenuating circumstance. Your examples showing how dangerous it is to do something prove beyond reasonable doubt that the government and the interests it represents are hostile to the populace.

    The simple fact of it being government makes its interests vastly different from those of the population

    I am Dutch, was born in WWII, have been politically interested all my life, both my parents were members of socialist organisations, so I think I have some idea about Dutch politics since say 1960.
    Until, say 2000, we had governments interested in common people, social security systems and policies, around 1980 the socialist government Den Uyl fell because it believed in what then was called ‘maakbare samenleving’, the intention to regulate even investments by commercial organisations, regulation based on what was seen as good for the average Dutchman.
    I realise that on a world scale this was the exception, but it was not much different in countries as Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
    Even French governments, though French politicians are an oligarchy, cared for the the common man, protectionism.
    Around 2000 this began to change, the EU ideals, illusions, whatever you want.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    I know that getting rid of illusions is always painful. I had my illusions about Western democracy and media, all of which were wrong, as I found after moving to the US more than 27 years ago.
    Just ask yourself, how come the governments of all the countries you mentioned are acting against the interests of the populace for many years, yet keep being “elected”. That tells you all you need to know about representative “democracy”, “free” elections, “free” media, and other myths used to fool people. I have to acknowledge that Soviet authorities were more responsive to the needs and opinions of the populace than “democratic” governments today. Maybe that’s why those “democracies” worked so diligently against the Soviet Union, which was in the end betrayed and destroyed by its elite.

    There are no ideal social systems, but there are different shades of gray, some of which are decidedly black.
  • @Anon
    I think that's basically correct. State exceptions to the NWO fold likely would be any nation who is extremely isolated, like N. Korea and Iran, or who is invaded. No nation that is outside of the fold avoids sanctions or invasion for long, Africa largely excluded (as the Africans have no problem defeating themselves).

    The Chinese genocided tens of millions of their own in order to get aboard the Jewish Communism train.

    China is a primary beneficiary of the post WWII NWO commercial and financial relations system that was created at Bretton Woods. We gave up most of our non-advanced manufacturing so that their nation could be built up. Our trade protection made their country. We would not give those things to a rogue state.

    It's safe to say that the Chinese are on-board.

    You are unbelievable optimist. Chinese did not even say thank you. You live in dreamworld.

  • @ababush
    "My take: if the frustration doesn’t get organized, with a clear vision, it will lose. It will be…”managed” and the show will go on."

    You are right, but one can also say that the movement understands this very well, and acts in such a way so that:
    - it prevents the managerial class to directly manipulate/manage it (the movement) by being disorganized
    - its goal is to set a tool (the popular referendum-RIC) that history proved the managerial class has a lot of problem to handle/manipulate (even when the medias are trusted, and the medias are now despised)

    If the RIC is obtained (with probably a higher level of violence), then all doors are opened, and various political movements will develop, in a brand new context (the movement has opened the eyes of millions of people about the real situation, and about the nature of the powerclass).

    Agree.

    Let’s summarize, then:
    Phase/step one:
    The frustration gets expressed as a swarm, with one simple goal. Referendum, in this case, to change the game of politics. That creates the proper environment for phase/step two:
    Getting organized with a clear vision.

    Sounds promising.

  • Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymoys
    " we can consider both Israel and the U.S. parts of the “anglo-zionist empire”

    Russia is also part of the “anglo-zionist empire”, although the "good cop/bad cop" being played by the msm and alt-media may trick lots of people in thinking that Russia is an independent country.

    How about China ? I really don't know. Maybe the chinese elite are only playing along with the zio-mafia but sometimes I believe the chinese really don't care and never will care about the crimes committed outside their borders.

    Which may be reasonable and morally sound but which makes them also morally/politically/economically compatible with the "“anglo-zionist empire”

    I think that’s basically correct. State exceptions to the NWO fold likely would be any nation who is extremely isolated, like N. Korea and Iran, or who is invaded. No nation that is outside of the fold avoids sanctions or invasion for long, Africa largely excluded (as the Africans have no problem defeating themselves).

    The Chinese genocided tens of millions of their own in order to get aboard the Jewish Communism train.

    China is a primary beneficiary of the post WWII NWO commercial and financial relations system that was created at Bretton Woods. We gave up most of our non-advanced manufacturing so that their nation could be built up. Our trade protection made their country. We would not give those things to a rogue state.

    It’s safe to say that the Chinese are on-board.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are unbelievable optimist. Chinese did not even say thank you. You live in dreamworld.
  • @peterAUS

    Athenian style democracy works very well using the Swiss model...
     
    And Switzerland is unique place on this planet. Plus it's small, has specific history shaped by European, even world (ge0)politics.

    I have no intention in going in this debate, really. Had it on some courses/papers I had once upon a time.

    There is a pattern seen since start of recorded history: as an entity gets bigger and more (economically and militarily) powerful, the TRUE power tends to concentrate upwards.

    Back to "yellow vests". It feels as incoherent expression of frustration.
    Granted, we are in uncharted waters so it might work. I am not optimistic.

    The cosmopolitan/managerial class is an expert in managing masses. By any means necessary. That's their core specialty and purpose.

    I have a feeling that we are entering a phase of more frustration, more "management" and more chaos, everywhere in West.

    My take: if the frustration doesn't get organized, with a clear vision, it will lose. It will be..."managed" and the show will go on.

    On practical level, "we" boast about that quality of the movement which has no leadership and that' quality because it can't be arrested, cooped etc.
    I guess I am the only guy here who strongly believes that's, simply, load of crap Or, better, sure way to lose.

    Hehe....don't bother, guys, with replies. Let's just wait and see. Two things shall happen:
    The movement will get ORGANIZED, with clear vision.
    OR
    It will continue as it is, getting just more violent.

    If former, great.
    If later, boring.

    “My take: if the frustration doesn’t get organized, with a clear vision, it will lose. It will be…”managed” and the show will go on.”

    You are right, but one can also say that the movement understands this very well, and acts in such a way so that:
    – it prevents the managerial class to directly manipulate/manage it (the movement) by being disorganized
    – its goal is to set a tool (the popular referendum-RIC) that history proved the managerial class has a lot of problem to handle/manipulate (even when the medias are trusted, and the medias are now despised)

    If the RIC is obtained (with probably a higher level of violence), then all doors are opened, and various political movements will develop, in a brand new context (the movement has opened the eyes of millions of people about the real situation, and about the nature of the powerclass).

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Agree.

    Let's summarize, then:
    Phase/step one:
    The frustration gets expressed as a swarm, with one simple goal. Referendum, in this case, to change the game of politics. That creates the proper environment for phase/step two:
    Getting organized with a clear vision.

    Sounds promising.
  • @ProudPrimate
    "as groups met to pour through the daunting legalistic documents"

    Excusez-moi, Diana - the word is "pore" -
    "pore (v.)
    "gaze intently," early 13c., of unknown origin, with no obvious corresponding word in Old French. Perhaps from Old English *purian, suggested by spyrian "to investigate, examine," and spor "a trace, vestige." Related: Pored; poring."

    I know that. Have you never made a typo?

  • @jilles dykstra
    Depends on what you define as 'democracy functioning'.
    After the Lisbon Treaty of 2005 I'd expected resistance outside the democratic legal system earlier.

    The problem here in Europe is that we were accustomed to governments for us, not against us.
    Just recently, maybe half a year ago, an establishment politician at a congress of his party was shocked, that a part of the Dutch population, not a negligible part, now sees the government as enemy.


    Just in October 2017 FvD was established, a party of well educated Dutch, a party against the EU.
    So in my opinion democracy functions, but reactions to political changes take time, in the EU case giving the politicians the advantage of the doubt, after reality has sunk in it again takes time until someone decides to do something.

    This doing something is a risky business, as Janmaat and Fortuyn experienced.
    Janmaat ended in wheel chair, after an attack from leftists, Fortuyn was murdered.
    Wilders has 7/24 protection, he in fact lives in a prison.
    The Bremen attempted murder was a few days ago.

    That’s exactly what I mean. Widespread belief that the government is on your side is naïve, to put it mildly. It does not matter what form of government it is: ostensibly elected, monarchy, or dictatorship. The simple fact of it being government makes its interests vastly different from those of the population. I have to agree that the EU bureaucracy, which wields power without pretending to be elected, is an abomination even in smoke-and-mirrors “democracy” feeble-minded voters might believe in. However, it is just as subservient to the elites as “elected” governments, so no difference in substance.

    The fact that it takes so long for Europeans to put two and two together is hardly an extenuating circumstance. Your examples showing how dangerous it is to do something prove beyond reasonable doubt that the government and the interests it represents are hostile to the populace.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra

    The simple fact of it being government makes its interests vastly different from those of the population
     
    I am Dutch, was born in WWII, have been politically interested all my life, both my parents were members of socialist organisations, so I think I have some idea about Dutch politics since say 1960.
    Until, say 2000, we had governments interested in common people, social security systems and policies, around 1980 the socialist government Den Uyl fell because it believed in what then was called 'maakbare samenleving', the intention to regulate even investments by commercial organisations, regulation based on what was seen as good for the average Dutchman.
    I realise that on a world scale this was the exception, but it was not much different in countries as Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
    Even French governments, though French politicians are an oligarchy, cared for the the common man, protectionism.
    Around 2000 this began to change, the EU ideals, illusions, whatever you want.
  • @apollonian
    Smith's "Invisible Hand" Refers To Natural Harmony Of Rationalism, Rule-Of-Law

    As I understand, the "invisible hand" of Smith meant that within the free market (Smith was against mercantilism, w. it's tariffs and monopolies, etc.)--remember a market w. genuine RULE-OF-LAW working, in accord w. freedom and sanctity of contract--the participants all working for their self-interest would yet prosper one another "as if by an invisible hand"--such is the proper context and understanding of Smith and "invisible hand."

    Note earlier, Bernard Mandeville (1705) wrote his "The Grumbling Hive" which similarly posed a thriving economy by means of participants all working for their simple self-interest, BUT in a rationalist fashion, governed by rule-of-law.

    And even earlier, both Thomas Hobbes and John Locke posed the larger political system governed by RATIONAL self-interest, their pt. being we're all necessarily self-interested by nature, the thing now to being is most rationalistic in accord therewith, hence the rationalist social-contract.

    What thou art totally over-looking about Crowley is he pushed a gross self-INDULGENCE in DIS-REGARD for reason and rule-of-law, there being no rationalist rule-of-law for Crowley--total SUBJECTIVISM--whereas the aforementioned Englishmen (Smith fm Scotland) presumed the objective reality.

    Thy problem is whether Crowley's ignoring reason and rule-of-law is really in harmony and accord w. self-interest; thou are confusing self-interest w. irrational self-indulgence--typical of subjectivists, subjectivism, and satanism.

    In the podcast I linked to, Joe Atwell makes the link between Adam Smith and Crowley. What I found most interesting was that Adam Smith was a freemason, likely very high level to boot. Many of us know that once masonry is involved, no event or explanation can be trusted or taken at face value. Everything has to be de-constructed for symbolism, numerology and hidden messages. I do not have the time, or the ability, to properly deconstruct Adam Smith’s work, but Joe Atwell has.

    In the period when Adam Smith was writing, various judaically and masonically owned mercantalist monopolies like the English east india company, Hudsons bay, Dutch east india had complete sway over world “markets”.

    So why would a cabal of hidden hand masonist’s have one of their brothers push “free markets” in his book about the power of the “hidden hand” of markets? Could it be because with the power provided by their already existing monopolies would allow them to get power over every market on the planet?

    A quick duckyduck returns:

    [MORE]

    “But, how can a simple book create a New World Order? Well, it all has to do with the way imperialism was imposed around the world. After the Seven Years’ War, from 1756 to 1763 (also known as the “First World War”, since it involved the whole of Europe, North America and part of Asia), Britain became the dominant empire throughout the world; gaining control over French and Dutch territories in North America and Asia. [7] It was after this war when Adam Smith began to promote his ideas for a new type of imperialism; arguing that it was far too costly to maintain a world colonial empire through military occupation, when those colonies could be given control of their own land while the empire could continue to exploit their richness and be looted just as before. [8] Adam Smith’s book was such a success that just one year later, in 1777, the British government was already shaping its policies based on his ideas; using the book as a guide to introduce new duties and taxes, designing commercial treaties, promoting free trade and credit, [9] and shifting from colonial imperialism to capitalist imperialism.

    This also meant that this New World Order could not only exploit and control colonies, but through its new economic system (capitalism) could actually exploit any other nation or empire. It also meant that power did not lay anymore on the hands of the aristocracy, but on the hands of those who controlled the economy.”

    http://judeo-masonic.blogspot.com/2010/09/hitlers-struggle-part-i-two-world.html

  • @jilles dykstra

    Since World War 2 – relative to the two remaining superpowers, that is. It doesn’t matter much that they are bigger than Latvia.
     
    You seem to ignore that the French empire controlled a large part of the world, just prior to WWII.
    The French navy was quite impressive at the time.
    Politically and economically Germany is far from small

    all true, and all irrelevant to the question at hand.

  • @Wizard of Oz
    It sounds as though France had been using what we would call Quantitative Easing today until 1973 and Giscard was attempting to impose discipline but that it didn't have much effect on the money supply at first because the 18 per cent of GDP didn't frighten the banks into limiting the debt finance to government. But why did inflation slow down after 1985, long before the Euro was introduced?

    What do you mean by "remunerated" government bonds? Do you mean inflation proof, indexed linked bonds? If not wasn't government stealing from savers before 1973 (and after) by way of very high inflation?

    You seem to suggest government is no longer able to borrow so has to raise taxes. But that is simply not correct, is it? After all France continues to run a budget deficit which means that it has to borrow. So, if French private savers money is leaving the country other people's money must be more than making up for it. N'est-ce pas?

    When I say “remunerated”, I mean that the people were making savings with a profit. Inflation was an average of 3.5% in the 1960 s. Today the popular “Livret A” in France gets 0.75% interest with an inflation of 1.85% in 2018.
    The government can borrow from the usurers, but not from its own population, as it was before the 1973 law. The state is selling off its assets, just like Greece was forced to. The population must pay the interests through taxes and since the debt keeps growing, the interests and the taxes have no other way than up. Compound interest is really the “eighth marvel of the world”, if you sit on the right side of it. The Japanese can manage with a debt of over 200% GDP, because most of their debt is held by the Japanese.

  • @AnonFromTN
    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves. If Europeans sincerely believe that “democracy functions”, they deserve the “democracy” they have now. I had better opinion of Europeans. Apparently, I was wrong.

    Depends on what you define as ‘democracy functioning’.
    After the Lisbon Treaty of 2005 I’d expected resistance outside the democratic legal system earlier.

    The problem here in Europe is that we were accustomed to governments for us, not against us.
    Just recently, maybe half a year ago, an establishment politician at a congress of his party was shocked, that a part of the Dutch population, not a negligible part, now sees the government as enemy.

    Just in October 2017 FvD was established, a party of well educated Dutch, a party against the EU.
    So in my opinion democracy functions, but reactions to political changes take time, in the EU case giving the politicians the advantage of the doubt, after reality has sunk in it again takes time until someone decides to do something.

    This doing something is a risky business, as Janmaat and Fortuyn experienced.
    Janmaat ended in wheel chair, after an attack from leftists, Fortuyn was murdered.
    Wilders has 7/24 protection, he in fact lives in a prison.
    The Bremen attempted murder was a few days ago.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    That’s exactly what I mean. Widespread belief that the government is on your side is naïve, to put it mildly. It does not matter what form of government it is: ostensibly elected, monarchy, or dictatorship. The simple fact of it being government makes its interests vastly different from those of the population. I have to agree that the EU bureaucracy, which wields power without pretending to be elected, is an abomination even in smoke-and-mirrors “democracy” feeble-minded voters might believe in. However, it is just as subservient to the elites as “elected” governments, so no difference in substance.

    The fact that it takes so long for Europeans to put two and two together is hardly an extenuating circumstance. Your examples showing how dangerous it is to do something prove beyond reasonable doubt that the government and the interests it represents are hostile to the populace.
  • “as groups met to pour through the daunting legalistic documents”

    Excusez-moi, Diana – the word is “pore” –
    “pore (v.)
    “gaze intently,” early 13c., of unknown origin, with no obvious corresponding word in Old French. Perhaps from Old English *purian, suggested by spyrian “to investigate, examine,” and spor “a trace, vestige.” Related: Pored; poring.”

    • Replies: @Diana Johnstone
    I know that. Have you never made a typo?
  • @apollonian
    Smith's "Invisible Hand" Refers To Natural Harmony Of Rationalism, Rule-Of-Law

    As I understand, the "invisible hand" of Smith meant that within the free market (Smith was against mercantilism, w. it's tariffs and monopolies, etc.)--remember a market w. genuine RULE-OF-LAW working, in accord w. freedom and sanctity of contract--the participants all working for their self-interest would yet prosper one another "as if by an invisible hand"--such is the proper context and understanding of Smith and "invisible hand."

    Note earlier, Bernard Mandeville (1705) wrote his "The Grumbling Hive" which similarly posed a thriving economy by means of participants all working for their simple self-interest, BUT in a rationalist fashion, governed by rule-of-law.

    And even earlier, both Thomas Hobbes and John Locke posed the larger political system governed by RATIONAL self-interest, their pt. being we're all necessarily self-interested by nature, the thing now to being is most rationalistic in accord therewith, hence the rationalist social-contract.

    What thou art totally over-looking about Crowley is he pushed a gross self-INDULGENCE in DIS-REGARD for reason and rule-of-law, there being no rationalist rule-of-law for Crowley--total SUBJECTIVISM--whereas the aforementioned Englishmen (Smith fm Scotland) presumed the objective reality.

    Thy problem is whether Crowley's ignoring reason and rule-of-law is really in harmony and accord w. self-interest; thou are confusing self-interest w. irrational self-indulgence--typical of subjectivists, subjectivism, and satanism.

    accord w. freedom and sanctity of contract–the participants all working for their self-interest would yet prosper one another

    Yet the same Adam Smith knew quite well, and wrote this down, that in wage negotiations employees and employers were in quite unequal bargaining positions.

    • Agree: apollonian
  • @Mike P

    Since when did Germany or France become small countries?
     
    Since World War 2 - relative to the two remaining superpowers, that is. It doesn't matter much that they are bigger than Latvia.

    Countries with much smaller economies, like NK, Iran, Cuba, or Nicaragua, dare to defy the Empire.
     
    Korea got destroyed. Iranian governments were overthrown repeatedly (even the Islamic revolution was engineered by the CIA, even though it did not work out as intended), and it was severely crippled in the proxy war in the 1980s. It is now increasingly being targeted precisely because it is rising again out of insignificance.

    Nicaragua and Cuba are indeed insignificant, both economically and strategically - they are merely being harassed, while also being contained. However, you can be sure that the response would be very different if Germany tried to pull something similar. Why do you think the Americans still have an occupation force there? You are just trying to be cute.

    Since World War 2 – relative to the two remaining superpowers, that is. It doesn’t matter much that they are bigger than Latvia.

    You seem to ignore that the French empire controlled a large part of the world, just prior to WWII.
    The French navy was quite impressive at the time.
    Politically and economically Germany is far from small

    • Replies: @Mike P
    all true, and all irrelevant to the question at hand.
  • The principle component of a democracy is free speech and they have not had that for decades in France. On July 13 1990 the law against holocaust revisionism went into effect. Free speech doesn’t exist in France.
    https://codoh.com/library/document/688/

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Not just in France, in any country more or less controlled by jews.
    Maybe you can turn it around: in any country where holocaust doubts cannot be expressed there is jewish control.
    Often these also are the countries where doubt on the Armenian genocide is not allowed.
    Jews and Armenians support each other in this matter, as is made quite clear in
    Ralph Giordano, 'Israel um Himmels willen Israel', 1993 Köln
    Giordano is a German journalist and writer, who grew up in WWII, with a jewish mother.
    Ralph Giordano, ‘Die Bertinis’, Frankfurt a.M., 1982
    The novel is seen as largely autobiographic, I fear it may be close to the truth.
    On the other hand, the contrast with
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999 is incomprehensible.
    The whole Giordano family survived WWII, but it was a horrible period for them, as it was for Klemperer.
  • There has been ZERO coverage of the Yellow Shirts in the main french media of Québec, the Journaldequebec.com Québec is France’s natural allie in Canada, through the Desmarais-Rothschild-BNP Paribas connection.

    (Journaldequebec.com is owned by independentist PK Péladeau. Its world division belonged to Lehman bro and former special envoyé in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, the dog of war who said that Bombing Serbia had been a good thing for Serbs).

    Oddly enough, if you try to access Journaldequebec.com, by hiding behind a fictive IP representing a European country, a message appears indicating that under a law voted by the European parliament, access to the site Journaldequebec.com is forbidden for European countries.

    WHY???

    Why can’t the French see what Journaldequebec.com says here about their protests? (That is why can’t the French see that these cowards refuse to cover the protests and remain totally silent?)

    Note: The crown-owned Radio-Canada (1.5 billions -year, taxpayer money), which supported the ”rebels” affiliated to Al-Nusra in Syria, and LFIG in Libya, and which remains TOTALLY SILENT on the war crimes committed by Bagot (220 laser-guided bombs dropped on Libya), is now covering (superficially) the Yellow Shirts. Some insipid paragraphs resembling (as usual) to copies of their friends, the hypocrites AFP and BBC. I still haven’t seen the 25 demands of the protestors listed by Radio-Canada. This radio station is total bullshit. They prefer to support rebels heavily armed by NATO in the Middle East that covering legitimate protests in France. That’s cowardice as usual. And as usual, they say Marine LePen is a racist, Russia is the demon, Teresa May is a grande dame though we still don’t know what really happened in the Skrispal affair (ie, WHO DID IT?)

  • @AnonFromTN
    Since when did Germany or France become small countries? They behave like inconsequential nonentities, like Latvia, Lithuania, or Estonia, but they do so by choice, not because they are small and insignificant. Countries with much smaller economies, like NK, Iran, Cuba, or Nicaragua, dare to defy the Empire.

    Not to mention that the Empire wouldn’t dare bring “democracy” on the heads of Germans or French in 500 kg TNT installments. That would be too revealing. They behave like vassals because their elites are corrupt to the core, not because the countries are small and helpless.

    Since when did Germany or France become small countries?

    Since World War 2 – relative to the two remaining superpowers, that is. It doesn’t matter much that they are bigger than Latvia.

    Countries with much smaller economies, like NK, Iran, Cuba, or Nicaragua, dare to defy the Empire.

    Korea got destroyed. Iranian governments were overthrown repeatedly (even the Islamic revolution was engineered by the CIA, even though it did not work out as intended), and it was severely crippled in the proxy war in the 1980s. It is now increasingly being targeted precisely because it is rising again out of insignificance.

    Nicaragua and Cuba are indeed insignificant, both economically and strategically – they are merely being harassed, while also being contained. However, you can be sure that the response would be very different if Germany tried to pull something similar. Why do you think the Americans still have an occupation force there? You are just trying to be cute.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra

    Since World War 2 – relative to the two remaining superpowers, that is. It doesn’t matter much that they are bigger than Latvia.
     
    You seem to ignore that the French empire controlled a large part of the world, just prior to WWII.
    The French navy was quite impressive at the time.
    Politically and economically Germany is far from small
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hava_Nagila

    This is an effective deterrent to antiSemitism claims.

    And it’s a pretty fun dance with a crowd of strangers.

  • ‘…The demand is for a certain number of signatories – perhaps 700,000, perhaps more – to gain the right to call a referendum on an issue of their choice. The right to a CIR exists in Switzerland, Italy and California…’

    In the case of California, this statement needs to be qualified.

    A measure can indeed be placed on the ballot if enough people sign the petition. The courts, however, will of course overturn the outcome if the measure passes.

  • @Mike P

    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves.
     
    Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power. If they dare to change them, they will get liberated by that great power. So, "wise" leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated. This is how "leaders" like Merkel and Macron manage to look in the mirror while shaving - "sure, I am a despicable opportunist, but I only sacrifice my honour in my people's best interest."

    Of course you know this - you are just trolling, as usual.

    Since when did Germany or France become small countries? They behave like inconsequential nonentities, like Latvia, Lithuania, or Estonia, but they do so by choice, not because they are small and insignificant. Countries with much smaller economies, like NK, Iran, Cuba, or Nicaragua, dare to defy the Empire.

    Not to mention that the Empire wouldn’t dare bring “democracy” on the heads of Germans or French in 500 kg TNT installments. That would be too revealing. They behave like vassals because their elites are corrupt to the core, not because the countries are small and helpless.

    • Agree: niceland
    • Replies: @Mike P

    Since when did Germany or France become small countries?
     
    Since World War 2 - relative to the two remaining superpowers, that is. It doesn't matter much that they are bigger than Latvia.

    Countries with much smaller economies, like NK, Iran, Cuba, or Nicaragua, dare to defy the Empire.
     
    Korea got destroyed. Iranian governments were overthrown repeatedly (even the Islamic revolution was engineered by the CIA, even though it did not work out as intended), and it was severely crippled in the proxy war in the 1980s. It is now increasingly being targeted precisely because it is rising again out of insignificance.

    Nicaragua and Cuba are indeed insignificant, both economically and strategically - they are merely being harassed, while also being contained. However, you can be sure that the response would be very different if Germany tried to pull something similar. Why do you think the Americans still have an occupation force there? You are just trying to be cute.

  • @densa
    Now I agree with you. It's the corrupting power of money, not the concept of representative democracy that needs fixed.

    The American people, the bases of both parties, have named this as a top problem and have wanted the money out of politics for decades. But in support of your criticism, NOTHING HAPPENED. Instead, we got a bipartisan auction house.

    I still think it is worth trying to fix rather than go to... what do you recommend?

    It is clearly out of question that legislature full of bought and paid for people would ever adopt a law prohibiting “contributing” to them. It’s like expecting foxes to prohibit chicken meat.

    Thus, the choice is either a messy revolution (that Americans have no stomach for, at least not yet), or the move from the ground up: state referenda establishing state funding of campaigns at a certain level and prohibiting any spending above that, any donations, PACs, etc. When two-thirds of the states have that on the books, there is a chance to get through a constitutional amendment to this effect. It would still have to get through absolutely corrupt Congress, but the pressure would be on. Like I said, the only alternative is a messy and bloody revolution. Then it won’t limit itself to campaign finance.

  • @densa
    Thanks! It's so inspirational, which is no doubt why it is hidden.

    Glad you like it! it shows that at least some here have a throbbing heart–unlike the disinfo trolls in utter contempt on this thread trying to sow discourse; they along with their masters are fully panicked–and they DESERVE TO BE PANICKING, for their influence is losing its hold on the people!

    Here is more info that your local news will NEVER cover (due to their subservience, greed, and short-sightness …. although their demise will be unceremonious and they’ll get what they deserve in the end!):

    [MORE]

    ***Note: click on blue Twitter bird in the Tweets in order to open videos in new tab***

    Elderly man/woman beaten by French riot Police:

    French Police caught red-handed disguised while trying to fit in with the crowd as Yellow Vests protesters:
    https://twitter.com/PartisanDE/status/1072134210972979200

    French Police clubbing Yellow Vest protester while he is down:
    https://twitter.com/PartisanDE/status/1077904786907910144

    Yellow Vests protester shot in the head with pellet (lower-right portion of video):
    https://twitter.com/GermanPartisan/status/1084529416481460224

    MSM ‘journalists’ being booed by Yellow Vests:

    In what appears to be tear gas canisters dropped by helicopter Yellow Vests film footage:

  • @Heros
    Tim Kelly and Joe Atwell recently made a podcast about this:

    The Free Trade Myth
    https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/tkelly6785757/episodes/2019-01-05T11_48_31-08_00

    They conclude that Adam Smith was a freemason, and that all this "Magic Hand" of "free trade" is really just a precursor to Crowley's "Do what thou wilt".

    Smith’s “Invisible Hand” Refers To Natural Harmony Of Rationalism, Rule-Of-Law

    As I understand, the “invisible hand” of Smith meant that within the free market (Smith was against mercantilism, w. it’s tariffs and monopolies, etc.)–remember a market w. genuine RULE-OF-LAW working, in accord w. freedom and sanctity of contract–the participants all working for their self-interest would yet prosper one another “as if by an invisible hand”–such is the proper context and understanding of Smith and “invisible hand.”

    Note earlier, Bernard Mandeville (1705) wrote his “The Grumbling Hive” which similarly posed a thriving economy by means of participants all working for their simple self-interest, BUT in a rationalist fashion, governed by rule-of-law.

    And even earlier, both Thomas Hobbes and John Locke posed the larger political system governed by RATIONAL self-interest, their pt. being we’re all necessarily self-interested by nature, the thing now to being is most rationalistic in accord therewith, hence the rationalist social-contract.

    What thou art totally over-looking about Crowley is he pushed a gross self-INDULGENCE in DIS-REGARD for reason and rule-of-law, there being no rationalist rule-of-law for Crowley–total SUBJECTIVISM–whereas the aforementioned Englishmen (Smith fm Scotland) presumed the objective reality.

    Thy problem is whether Crowley’s ignoring reason and rule-of-law is really in harmony and accord w. self-interest; thou are confusing self-interest w. irrational self-indulgence–typical of subjectivists, subjectivism, and satanism.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra

    accord w. freedom and sanctity of contract–the participants all working for their self-interest would yet prosper one another
     
    Yet the same Adam Smith knew quite well, and wrote this down, that in wage negotiations employees and employers were in quite unequal bargaining positions.
    , @Heros
    In the podcast I linked to, Joe Atwell makes the link between Adam Smith and Crowley. What I found most interesting was that Adam Smith was a freemason, likely very high level to boot. Many of us know that once masonry is involved, no event or explanation can be trusted or taken at face value. Everything has to be de-constructed for symbolism, numerology and hidden messages. I do not have the time, or the ability, to properly deconstruct Adam Smith's work, but Joe Atwell has.

    In the period when Adam Smith was writing, various judaically and masonically owned mercantalist monopolies like the English east india company, Hudsons bay, Dutch east india had complete sway over world "markets".

    So why would a cabal of hidden hand masonist's have one of their brothers push "free markets" in his book about the power of the "hidden hand" of markets? Could it be because with the power provided by their already existing monopolies would allow them to get power over every market on the planet?

    A quick duckyduck returns:

    "But, how can a simple book create a New World Order? Well, it all has to do with the way imperialism was imposed around the world. After the Seven Years’ War, from 1756 to 1763 (also known as the “First World War”, since it involved the whole of Europe, North America and part of Asia), Britain became the dominant empire throughout the world; gaining control over French and Dutch territories in North America and Asia. [7] It was after this war when Adam Smith began to promote his ideas for a new type of imperialism; arguing that it was far too costly to maintain a world colonial empire through military occupation, when those colonies could be given control of their own land while the empire could continue to exploit their richness and be looted just as before. [8] Adam Smith's book was such a success that just one year later, in 1777, the British government was already shaping its policies based on his ideas; using the book as a guide to introduce new duties and taxes, designing commercial treaties, promoting free trade and credit, [9] and shifting from colonial imperialism to capitalist imperialism.

    This also meant that this New World Order could not only exploit and control colonies, but through its new economic system (capitalism) could actually exploit any other nation or empire. It also meant that power did not lay anymore on the hands of the aristocracy, but on the hands of those who controlled the economy."
     
    http://judeo-masonic.blogspot.com/2010/09/hitlers-struggle-part-i-two-world.html
  • @ikeo
    The 1973 law abolished the money sovereignty of the country and forced the State to borrow from private banks. Before 1973, the central bank was providing money to the State at 1% interest. In 1973 the debt was about 18% of GDP. Today France has a debt of 2300 billion Euro (101% GDP) and has to pay about 55 billion per year in interests. Before 1973, the interests of the debt were recycled within the country, as citizens could benefit from it: many had their savings in remunerated government bonds. Today, all this money is leaving the country and the people must pay for it through taxes.

    It sounds as though France had been using what we would call Quantitative Easing today until 1973 and Giscard was attempting to impose discipline but that it didn’t have much effect on the money supply at first because the 18 per cent of GDP didn’t frighten the banks into limiting the debt finance to government. But why did inflation slow down after 1985, long before the Euro was introduced?

    What do you mean by “remunerated” government bonds? Do you mean inflation proof, indexed linked bonds? If not wasn’t government stealing from savers before 1973 (and after) by way of very high inflation?

    You seem to suggest government is no longer able to borrow so has to raise taxes. But that is simply not correct, is it? After all France continues to run a budget deficit which means that it has to borrow. So, if French private savers money is leaving the country other people’s money must be more than making up for it. N’est-ce pas?

    • Replies: @ikeo
    When I say "remunerated", I mean that the people were making savings with a profit. Inflation was an average of 3.5% in the 1960 s. Today the popular "Livret A" in France gets 0.75% interest with an inflation of 1.85% in 2018.
    The government can borrow from the usurers, but not from its own population, as it was before the 1973 law. The state is selling off its assets, just like Greece was forced to. The population must pay the interests through taxes and since the debt keeps growing, the interests and the taxes have no other way than up. Compound interest is really the "eighth marvel of the world", if you sit on the right side of it. The Japanese can manage with a debt of over 200% GDP, because most of their debt is held by the Japanese.
  • @onebornfree
    "Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free."

    "Democracy is a sort of laughing gas. It will not cure anything, perhaps, but it unquestionably stops the pain."

    "Liberty and democracy are eternal enemies, and every one knows it who has ever given any sober reflection to the matter. "


    "Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses."

    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."


    "If x is the population of the United States and y is the degree of imbecility of the average American, then democracy is the theory that x times y is less than y."

    "All of democracy's axioms "resolve themselves into thundering paradoxes, many amounting to downright contradictions in terms. The mob is competent to rule the rest of us – but it must be rigorously policed itself. There is a government, not of men, but laws – but men are set upon benches to decide finally what the law is and may be."

    H.L. Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

    Spengler in Decline of the West said that ‘democracy could never be anything other than the political tool of money.’ He also said that all the French revolution did was to deliver France into the hands of the army and the Bourse.

  • Would be interesting to see what soooooooooooooooo great philosopher Bernard Henry Levi think about this!

  • @Mike P

    France and Germany aren’t. Actually Merkel and Macron are working for that small country that tells usa what to do.
     
    You mean Israel. Yes, you do have a point there, but I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole - we can consider both Israel and the U.S. parts of the "anglo-zionist empire", which is the great power that lords it over most of Europe.

    ” we can consider both Israel and the U.S. parts of the “anglo-zionist empire”

    Russia is also part of the “anglo-zionist empire”, although the “good cop/bad cop” being played by the msm and alt-media may trick lots of people in thinking that Russia is an independent country.

    How about China ? I really don’t know. Maybe the chinese elite are only playing along with the zio-mafia but sometimes I believe the chinese really don’t care and never will care about the crimes committed outside their borders.

    Which may be reasonable and morally sound but which makes them also morally/politically/economically compatible with the ““anglo-zionist empire”

    • Replies: @Anon
    I think that's basically correct. State exceptions to the NWO fold likely would be any nation who is extremely isolated, like N. Korea and Iran, or who is invaded. No nation that is outside of the fold avoids sanctions or invasion for long, Africa largely excluded (as the Africans have no problem defeating themselves).

    The Chinese genocided tens of millions of their own in order to get aboard the Jewish Communism train.

    China is a primary beneficiary of the post WWII NWO commercial and financial relations system that was created at Bretton Woods. We gave up most of our non-advanced manufacturing so that their nation could be built up. Our trade protection made their country. We would not give those things to a rogue state.

    It's safe to say that the Chinese are on-board.

  • Macron is a treasonous rat politician whore for the Rothschild Bankers and the plutocrat globalizers.

    Macron is a clear and present threat to the national security interests of France.

    Macron pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration and financialization and globalization and Macron pushes for more war on behalf of Israel in the Middle East. Macron is a threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of France. Macron is an enemy of the French people.

    The French military must immediately begin preparations to remove the treasonous tyrant Macron from power.

    VIVE LA FRANCE — VIVE LA YELLOW VESTS!

    Rothschild Whore Macron attacks the proud and patriotic French people:

    https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1084502204608860163

  • @AnonFromTN
    That won’t change anything unless money is taken out of politics. It does not matter how big or small the district is as long as candidates are getting money from those who have a lot of it. So, no honest person has a chance, as nobody will give him/her money. Corrupt people have an advantage: the donors give because they rightly expect payback. Thus, the key is to make all campaigns financed to exactly the same limit and prohibit any additional sources of financing. In this case even 50 states would work better than they do now.

    Now I agree with you. It’s the corrupting power of money, not the concept of representative democracy that needs fixed.

    The American people, the bases of both parties, have named this as a top problem and have wanted the money out of politics for decades. But in support of your criticism, NOTHING HAPPENED. Instead, we got a bipartisan auction house.

    I still think it is worth trying to fix rather than go to… what do you recommend?

    • Agree: tac
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    It is clearly out of question that legislature full of bought and paid for people would ever adopt a law prohibiting “contributing” to them. It’s like expecting foxes to prohibit chicken meat.

    Thus, the choice is either a messy revolution (that Americans have no stomach for, at least not yet), or the move from the ground up: state referenda establishing state funding of campaigns at a certain level and prohibiting any spending above that, any donations, PACs, etc. When two-thirds of the states have that on the books, there is a chance to get through a constitutional amendment to this effect. It would still have to get through absolutely corrupt Congress, but the pressure would be on. Like I said, the only alternative is a messy and bloody revolution. Then it won’t limit itself to campaign finance.
  • @tac
    For those who would like to witness the events of Act IX (scroll past my posts if you uninterested).
    Here is a series of events as captured by the Yellow Vest movement:
    In case you hear that the crowd size was small by the MSM, look here at the Yellow Vests in various cities across France.

    Massive crowds for Act IX:

    https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/status/1084105372703563778

    https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/status/1084110947856367616

    https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/status/1084049870128861184

    https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/status/1084133961452916737

    https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1084133275487141895

    Thanks! It’s so inspirational, which is no doubt why it is hidden.

    • Replies: @tac
    Glad you like it! it shows that at least some here have a throbbing heart--unlike the disinfo trolls in utter contempt on this thread trying to sow discourse; they along with their masters are fully panicked--and they DESERVE TO BE PANICKING, for their influence is losing its hold on the people!

    Here is more info that your local news will NEVER cover (due to their subservience, greed, and short-sightness .... although their demise will be unceremonious and they'll get what they deserve in the end!):

    ***Note: click on blue Twitter bird in the Tweets in order to open videos in new tab***

    Elderly man/woman beaten by French riot Police:
    https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1084464418497445889

    French Police caught red-handed disguised while trying to fit in with the crowd as Yellow Vests protesters:
    https://twitter.com/PartisanDE/status/1072134210972979200

    French Police clubbing Yellow Vest protester while he is down:
    https://twitter.com/PartisanDE/status/1077904786907910144

    Yellow Vests protester shot in the head with pellet (lower-right portion of video):
    https://twitter.com/GermanPartisan/status/1084529416481460224

    MSM 'journalists' being booed by Yellow Vests:
    https://twitter.com/ohboywhatashot/status/1084071346617962496

    In what appears to be tear gas canisters dropped by helicopter Yellow Vests film footage:
    https://twitter.com/soneerbozkurt/status/1084567843545534464
  • @anonymoys
    "Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power."

    USA isn't exactly a small country but as you certainly know it isn't the american people who decide of their government but that "great external power" which is smaller than New Jersey.

    And imho the same applies to another big country (Russia) which in spite of propaganda and Syria, is controlled by the same state that controls usa.

    "So, “wise” leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated"

    You got that right. Switzerland is a very good example of that small country you're talking about.

    France and Germany aren't. Actually Merkel and Macron are working for that small country that tells usa what to do. They are not defending their people's best interest. They're well known traitors.
    Traitors like 99,5% of american politicians and journalists and scholars and...

    Of course you know this – Don't you ?

    France and Germany aren’t. Actually Merkel and Macron are working for that small country that tells usa what to do.

    You mean Israel. Yes, you do have a point there, but I didn’t want to go down that rabbit hole – we can consider both Israel and the U.S. parts of the “anglo-zionist empire”, which is the great power that lords it over most of Europe.

    • Replies: @anonymoys
    " we can consider both Israel and the U.S. parts of the “anglo-zionist empire”

    Russia is also part of the “anglo-zionist empire”, although the "good cop/bad cop" being played by the msm and alt-media may trick lots of people in thinking that Russia is an independent country.

    How about China ? I really don't know. Maybe the chinese elite are only playing along with the zio-mafia but sometimes I believe the chinese really don't care and never will care about the crimes committed outside their borders.

    Which may be reasonable and morally sound but which makes them also morally/politically/economically compatible with the "“anglo-zionist empire”
  • @Wizard of Oz
    What, in your experience and observation of human nature and human affairs makes you think the average citizen would pay enough attention with enough exertion of intellect to learn anything that seriously mattered about the system of representative plus bureaucratic government just because he became aware that there was some small chance that he would be called to serve as legislator? Does the average citizen who has not been called for jury service but might be try and learn anything about the jury system? Before conscripts were called up for past wars did they think they had a lot to learn about the armed forces and go out of their way to learn it?

    Perhaps call 5000 of whom 500 are needed and then, as part of the culling process, offer them a course of study and require them to get 80 per cent of questions right when tested on it....

    Okay, no doubt some limits would have to be placed on having a legislature made of The Public. If the current system could limit the effects of media and legalized bribery, maybe it could get better results than going to the telephone directory, but the Window needs moved over, so….

  • @Mike P

    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves.
     
    Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power. If they dare to change them, they will get liberated by that great power. So, "wise" leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated. This is how "leaders" like Merkel and Macron manage to look in the mirror while shaving - "sure, I am a despicable opportunist, but I only sacrifice my honour in my people's best interest."

    Of course you know this - you are just trolling, as usual.

    “Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power.”

    USA isn’t exactly a small country but as you certainly know it isn’t the american people who decide of their government but that “great external power” which is smaller than New Jersey.

    And imho the same applies to another big country (Russia) which in spite of propaganda and Syria, is controlled by the same state that controls usa.

    “So, “wise” leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated”

    You got that right. Switzerland is a very good example of that small country you’re talking about.

    France and Germany aren’t. Actually Merkel and Macron are working for that small country that tells usa what to do. They are not defending their people’s best interest. They’re well known traitors.
    Traitors like 99,5% of american politicians and journalists and scholars and…

    Of course you know this – Don’t you ?

    • Replies: @Mike P

    France and Germany aren’t. Actually Merkel and Macron are working for that small country that tells usa what to do.
     
    You mean Israel. Yes, you do have a point there, but I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole - we can consider both Israel and the U.S. parts of the "anglo-zionist empire", which is the great power that lords it over most of Europe.
  • Eventually EU will fall apart. Immediately after when French will leave.
    Germany will not be able to subside all those shitty little eastern European countries.
    It simply cannot go on forever.
    Eastern European countries will have to make it on their own.

  • @Tsigantes
    Athenian style democracy works very well using the Swiss model, whose basic parts i.e. neutrality, citizen army, cantons, were actually formulated by the - (little known fact warning!) - the great Greek statesman Capodistrias with an independent Greece in mind.

    It is a mistake to confuse size with efficacy. A country may have a huge population, yet all that is important is that the cantonal units are small enough to reflect that area's popular will. So the USA has 350 million citizens? Let it have 1000 cantons of 350,000 pop. - or 500 cantons of 700,000. As with the 50 states of USA laws vary between cantons in Switzerland dependent on the will of the people.

    The same mistaken assumption is made about voter ballots in USA. The answer is to make voting districts sufficiently small so that the paper ballots can be counted in maximum 2 hours....as is done in most of the rest of the world. Hardly rocket science!

    Athenian style democracy works very well using the Swiss model…

    And Switzerland is unique place on this planet. Plus it’s small, has specific history shaped by European, even world (ge0)politics.

    I have no intention in going in this debate, really. Had it on some courses/papers I had once upon a time.

    There is a pattern seen since start of recorded history: as an entity gets bigger and more (economically and militarily) powerful, the TRUE power tends to concentrate upwards.

    Back to “yellow vests”. It feels as incoherent expression of frustration.
    Granted, we are in uncharted waters so it might work. I am not optimistic.

    The cosmopolitan/managerial class is an expert in managing masses. By any means necessary. That’s their core specialty and purpose.

    I have a feeling that we are entering a phase of more frustration, more “management” and more chaos, everywhere in West.

    My take: if the frustration doesn’t get organized, with a clear vision, it will lose. It will be…”managed” and the show will go on.

    On practical level, “we” boast about that quality of the movement which has no leadership and that’ quality because it can’t be arrested, cooped etc.
    I guess I am the only guy here who strongly believes that’s, simply, load of crap Or, better, sure way to lose.

    Hehe….don’t bother, guys, with replies. Let’s just wait and see. Two things shall happen:
    The movement will get ORGANIZED, with clear vision.
    OR
    It will continue as it is, getting just more violent.

    If former, great.
    If later, boring.

    • Replies: @ababush
    "My take: if the frustration doesn’t get organized, with a clear vision, it will lose. It will be…”managed” and the show will go on."

    You are right, but one can also say that the movement understands this very well, and acts in such a way so that:
    - it prevents the managerial class to directly manipulate/manage it (the movement) by being disorganized
    - its goal is to set a tool (the popular referendum-RIC) that history proved the managerial class has a lot of problem to handle/manipulate (even when the medias are trusted, and the medias are now despised)

    If the RIC is obtained (with probably a higher level of violence), then all doors are opened, and various political movements will develop, in a brand new context (the movement has opened the eyes of millions of people about the real situation, and about the nature of the powerclass).
  • @AnonFromTN
    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves. If Europeans sincerely believe that “democracy functions”, they deserve the “democracy” they have now. I had better opinion of Europeans. Apparently, I was wrong.

    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves.

    Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power. If they dare to change them, they will get liberated by that great power. So, “wise” leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated. This is how “leaders” like Merkel and Macron manage to look in the mirror while shaving – “sure, I am a despicable opportunist, but I only sacrifice my honour in my people’s best interest.”

    Of course you know this – you are just trolling, as usual.

    • Replies: @anonymoys
    "Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power."

    USA isn't exactly a small country but as you certainly know it isn't the american people who decide of their government but that "great external power" which is smaller than New Jersey.

    And imho the same applies to another big country (Russia) which in spite of propaganda and Syria, is controlled by the same state that controls usa.

    "So, “wise” leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated"

    You got that right. Switzerland is a very good example of that small country you're talking about.

    France and Germany aren't. Actually Merkel and Macron are working for that small country that tells usa what to do. They are not defending their people's best interest. They're well known traitors.
    Traitors like 99,5% of american politicians and journalists and scholars and...

    Of course you know this – Don't you ?

    , @AnonFromTN
    Since when did Germany or France become small countries? They behave like inconsequential nonentities, like Latvia, Lithuania, or Estonia, but they do so by choice, not because they are small and insignificant. Countries with much smaller economies, like NK, Iran, Cuba, or Nicaragua, dare to defy the Empire.

    Not to mention that the Empire wouldn’t dare bring “democracy” on the heads of Germans or French in 500 kg TNT installments. That would be too revealing. They behave like vassals because their elites are corrupt to the core, not because the countries are small and helpless.
  • @Wizard of Oz
    Would you care to explain what you mean by Giscard'd 1973 law delivering the country into the hands of the usurers resulting in debt slavery.

    It led me to look up the rate of inflation before the Euro was introduced. From 1956 to 1986 the French currency appears to have lost about 94 per cent of its value. It looks to me as though France continued for a long time after 1973 inflating its way out of the debt slavery problem. But no doubt that is not the whole story and you can explain why not.

    The 1973 law abolished the money sovereignty of the country and forced the State to borrow from private banks. Before 1973, the central bank was providing money to the State at 1% interest. In 1973 the debt was about 18% of GDP. Today France has a debt of 2300 billion Euro (101% GDP) and has to pay about 55 billion per year in interests. Before 1973, the interests of the debt were recycled within the country, as citizens could benefit from it: many had their savings in remunerated government bonds. Today, all this money is leaving the country and the people must pay for it through taxes.

    • Agree: apollonian
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    It sounds as though France had been using what we would call Quantitative Easing today until 1973 and Giscard was attempting to impose discipline but that it didn't have much effect on the money supply at first because the 18 per cent of GDP didn't frighten the banks into limiting the debt finance to government. But why did inflation slow down after 1985, long before the Euro was introduced?

    What do you mean by "remunerated" government bonds? Do you mean inflation proof, indexed linked bonds? If not wasn't government stealing from savers before 1973 (and after) by way of very high inflation?

    You seem to suggest government is no longer able to borrow so has to raise taxes. But that is simply not correct, is it? After all France continues to run a budget deficit which means that it has to borrow. So, if French private savers money is leaving the country other people's money must be more than making up for it. N'est-ce pas?

  • @truthman
    FWIW, Francois Fillon, who at one point was the front runner for the presidency, called for a series of referenda on various issues, one of them immigration. A manufactured scandal against him helped pave the way for Macron to win, though I don't think Fillon was truly a nationalist populist type, but at least preferable to Macron.

    Interesting regarding that political scandal called Penelopegate. I recall that such scandals were used in Obama’s rise to power. All opponents were smeared with something. One got his divorce records unsealed.

  • @JMaciber
    the monetary question among French opponents to the EMU and advocates of a return of full monetary sovereignty is the assumption that it would allow the French state to monetize its deficits outside of international financial markets ( in France, this BDF privileged was terminated in 1973 , much before the advent of the "snake" and then the EMU); doubled with the presumption that the recovered ability to devalue currency unilaterally would prime the trade pump, genrate trade surpluses, create employment and reindustrialization, totally forgetful of the economic reality that retaliatory devaluations are usually the result . This would recreate the old world classical currency wars within an area spared this past 20 years +.

    So let’s go with Macronomic?
    Better to try to do something different, because the present methodology applied since 1983 has proven to be a disaster for the french economy.
    You know Albert Einstein said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

  • @Tsigantes
    Athenian style democracy works very well using the Swiss model, whose basic parts i.e. neutrality, citizen army, cantons, were actually formulated by the - (little known fact warning!) - the great Greek statesman Capodistrias with an independent Greece in mind.

    It is a mistake to confuse size with efficacy. A country may have a huge population, yet all that is important is that the cantonal units are small enough to reflect that area's popular will. So the USA has 350 million citizens? Let it have 1000 cantons of 350,000 pop. - or 500 cantons of 700,000. As with the 50 states of USA laws vary between cantons in Switzerland dependent on the will of the people.

    The same mistaken assumption is made about voter ballots in USA. The answer is to make voting districts sufficiently small so that the paper ballots can be counted in maximum 2 hours....as is done in most of the rest of the world. Hardly rocket science!

    That won’t change anything unless money is taken out of politics. It does not matter how big or small the district is as long as candidates are getting money from those who have a lot of it. So, no honest person has a chance, as nobody will give him/her money. Corrupt people have an advantage: the donors give because they rightly expect payback. Thus, the key is to make all campaigns financed to exactly the same limit and prohibit any additional sources of financing. In this case even 50 states would work better than they do now.

    • Replies: @densa
    Now I agree with you. It's the corrupting power of money, not the concept of representative democracy that needs fixed.

    The American people, the bases of both parties, have named this as a top problem and have wanted the money out of politics for decades. But in support of your criticism, NOTHING HAPPENED. Instead, we got a bipartisan auction house.

    I still think it is worth trying to fix rather than go to... what do you recommend?
  • @Wally
    You certainly are fond of strawmen.

    There are no real free markets, and that's the problem.

    Tim Kelly and Joe Atwell recently made a podcast about this:

    The Free Trade Myth
    https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/tkelly6785757/episodes/2019-01-05T11_48_31-08_00

    They conclude that Adam Smith was a freemason, and that all this “Magic Hand” of “free trade” is really just a precursor to Crowley’s “Do what thou wilt”.

    • Replies: @apollonian
    Smith's "Invisible Hand" Refers To Natural Harmony Of Rationalism, Rule-Of-Law

    As I understand, the "invisible hand" of Smith meant that within the free market (Smith was against mercantilism, w. it's tariffs and monopolies, etc.)--remember a market w. genuine RULE-OF-LAW working, in accord w. freedom and sanctity of contract--the participants all working for their self-interest would yet prosper one another "as if by an invisible hand"--such is the proper context and understanding of Smith and "invisible hand."

    Note earlier, Bernard Mandeville (1705) wrote his "The Grumbling Hive" which similarly posed a thriving economy by means of participants all working for their simple self-interest, BUT in a rationalist fashion, governed by rule-of-law.

    And even earlier, both Thomas Hobbes and John Locke posed the larger political system governed by RATIONAL self-interest, their pt. being we're all necessarily self-interested by nature, the thing now to being is most rationalistic in accord therewith, hence the rationalist social-contract.

    What thou art totally over-looking about Crowley is he pushed a gross self-INDULGENCE in DIS-REGARD for reason and rule-of-law, there being no rationalist rule-of-law for Crowley--total SUBJECTIVISM--whereas the aforementioned Englishmen (Smith fm Scotland) presumed the objective reality.

    Thy problem is whether Crowley's ignoring reason and rule-of-law is really in harmony and accord w. self-interest; thou are confusing self-interest w. irrational self-indulgence--typical of subjectivists, subjectivism, and satanism.
  • @jilles dykstra
    No.
    People are not stupid.
    One can fool a lot of people for a long time, but not anyone all the time.
    I must admit that the present French insurrection is late, already in 2005 the French rejected the EU.
    On the other hand, French presidents since 2005 behaved cautiously, not the abrupt 'modernising' of Macron.
    That Macron became president, the two anti EU candidates are at odds about immigration, how weak his basis was was made clear in the first round, he got six of the ten votes, Mélenchon and Le Pen tohether four.
    Democracy functions

    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves. If Europeans sincerely believe that “democracy functions”, they deserve the “democracy” they have now. I had better opinion of Europeans. Apparently, I was wrong.

    • Replies: @Mike P

    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves.
     
    Most countries are small and have their governments foisted on them by some external great power. If they dare to change them, they will get liberated by that great power. So, "wise" leaders of small countries will just avoid upsetting the apple cart and just play along so as to avoid being liberated. This is how "leaders" like Merkel and Macron manage to look in the mirror while shaving - "sure, I am a despicable opportunist, but I only sacrifice my honour in my people's best interest."

    Of course you know this - you are just trolling, as usual.
    , @jilles dykstra
    Depends on what you define as 'democracy functioning'.
    After the Lisbon Treaty of 2005 I'd expected resistance outside the democratic legal system earlier.

    The problem here in Europe is that we were accustomed to governments for us, not against us.
    Just recently, maybe half a year ago, an establishment politician at a congress of his party was shocked, that a part of the Dutch population, not a negligible part, now sees the government as enemy.


    Just in October 2017 FvD was established, a party of well educated Dutch, a party against the EU.
    So in my opinion democracy functions, but reactions to political changes take time, in the EU case giving the politicians the advantage of the doubt, after reality has sunk in it again takes time until someone decides to do something.

    This doing something is a risky business, as Janmaat and Fortuyn experienced.
    Janmaat ended in wheel chair, after an attack from leftists, Fortuyn was murdered.
    Wilders has 7/24 protection, he in fact lives in a prison.
    The Bremen attempted murder was a few days ago.
  • @Tsigantes

    What politicians do after elections is hardly ever the same as what they promised before the elections.

    Don’t you see that this statement means that electoral “democracy” is no more than a ruse?
     
    What you mean is representative democracy, not 'electoral'. Its the representatives that are the problem.

    Yes, you right, it is “representative”. Then again, if you elect, it means that someone else is supposed to represent you (which s/he never does), so in a way electoral and representative is the same thing.

  • @jilles dykstra
    My apologies for a long comment, see no possibility to make it shorter.

    The title should have been 'Is democracy in Europe dead ?'.
    Even better would have been 'How victor's propaganda destroyed democracy'.
    The allies won WWII, USA, USSR, GB.
    As after WWI, the Germans were to blame.
    Both Churchill and Kennan were of the opinion that the big mistake of Versailles had been not to encapsulate the evil Germans in a European Union, a union that, as Wilson's war, would end all wars.

    In 1948, Berlin blockade, the USA discovered that FDR's Uncle Joe refused to play the part that FDR wanted him to play, junior partner in a world ruled by the USA in the Security Council.
    In 1953 at last the USA saw what had been known in Germany at least since WWI, the USSR wanted to impose its system on the world, to withstand the USSR the USA needed Germany as a partner.

    A new Germany, there had been no Germany since the 1945 capitulation, was established, but with a large number of USA occupation troops, and the obligation to educate the history of the victors, plus the obligation to support Israel.

    I suppose just after WWII anyone believed the propaganda about the evil Germans, just one man, with Goldhagen's Willing Helpers, caused WWII and perpetrated the holocaust.
    Never again, was the idea.

    The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg began the Benelux, mainly economic cooperation, before that, there had been what I do not remember clearly, a Coal and Steel Community.
    This lead to the EEC, European Economic Cooperation, with which was nothing wrong, that I can remember, sovereign nations with their own currencies cooperating economically.

    Now when the EU idea began, a unified Europe, Europe the continent, I'm not sure.
    The idea of a unified Europe, in which the nation states did not, or hardly exist, was probably also caused by the around 1970 ideas, anything nation states did, electricity, public transport, providing energy, could be done more efficiëntly by commercial organisations.
    And, of course, any organisation tries to enlarge itself, the EEC bureaucracy, I suppose, began to compete with the nation states.

    1995 for me is another milestone, in that year the Dutch Kok government, during a normal cabinet meeting, decided to introduce the euro.
    Two experts were present, a board member of the Dutch central bank, and the minister for economic affairs. The two agreed that 'they (Kok) had no idea what they were doing', what they did in the meeting, I did not know.
    Cannot remember that at the time the Dutch people were informed, cannot remember a debate in parliament.

    In 1997 70 Dutch economist, at their own expense, placed an advertisement in quite a few Dutch papers, whole page, warning for the euro.
    They got attention, all of them were harmed in their careers.

    The next crucial year for me was 2005, the so called EU constitution. It had nothing to do with what one thinks a constitution is, it was a 450 pages document.
    But both in France and in the Netherlands there were intellectuals who read the 450 pages, internet was already available, and so in all three countries where politicians had no idea what common people thought, referenda were held: France, Netherlands, Ireland.
    All three rejected the 'constitution', but there was a way out, the Treaty of Lisbon, in essence the 450 pages text without the EU anthem and without the flag, was signed by the heads of the states.
    According to Farrage in EP was said 'they do not know what they're doing', and so the EU train moved on.

    In theory the EU is democratic, there is a European parliament, with direct voting, though voting is just possible on national parties, a all EU political party does not exist, and decisions taken in Brussels must be ratified by the national parliaments.

    Practice is quite different, the EU is ruled by the heads of the national states, national parliaments never, as far as I can remember, rejected a Brussels decision.
    Rejection implies a vote of non confidence in the own president, prime minister, chancellor.

    Now the WWII propaganda about the evil Germans must be mentioned.
    Germany again is economically and politically the most important EU member, the member brainwashed by guilt feelings.
    What motivates Merkel only Merkel knows, but from what she does for me just one conclusion is possible: the idea that the evil Germans must disappear through massive immigration.

    Merkel's power is based on the failed euro, Varoufakis is of the opinion, I agree, that Merkel deliberately continues the euro crisis, this gives her power.

    Now back to the Yellow Vests and democracy. Democracy ended in the EU member states in 2005, Merkel rules the EU, driven by the victor's WWII propaganda.
    In the nation states also no democracy any more, who is against the EU, the euro, mass immigration, open borders, free settlement in the whole EU, the CO2 hype, is a populist, fascist, racist, nationalist, white supremacist, whatever.
    In fact in the EU member states we have two party systems: for and against EU.
    Propaganda by politicians and MSM is such that there is very little trust in anti EU politicians, disasters must happen when a country leaves the EU, even more if the EU falls apart.

    But, as USA senator and sociologist Moynihan writes 'never will propaganda convince victims that they're not victims'.
    This is, in my opinion, what now happens in France, more than half the French have had enough, enough simply in making ends meet.
    The same is happening in the Netherlands and Germany, but in these two countries immigration also is an important factor.
    The victims are unable to analyse what causes their misery, but they do understand that Brussels and its puppets are the main cause.

    Here begins my idea of similarity with the Weimar Republic at the end of the thirties, the Germans also had had enough.
    A Hitler came, and promised to lead them out of the desert, the desert caused by Versailles.
    He declared the Versailles Diktat null and void.
    If something similar is going to happen now, I do not know.

    But it seems possible, the anti EU party FvD was etablished in the Netherlands in October 2017, it now has 30.000 members, Rutte's VVD 25.000.
    Macron is a lame duck, Merkel is not in a much better position.

    If I’m not mistaken, to win this or to get your point across is to ‘Play the Game’. A playing the game in a Capitalist society is all about the $, £……..

    Israel, knows what the game is, it’s called BDS and it’s go them so scared, they are trying to make it illegal in America.

    The Israeli/Palestian issue is solvable, but without SpartUSAs clutsy feet and money. The people have the ability to challenge Israel and the anti BSD movement by pulling why I call a MRL/Ghandi double team.

    It’s a couch potatoes wet dream.

    That $ in your pocket is the greatest daily voting right you have.

    Don’t buy Coke, Don’t use Facebook, Don’t use Amazon, Don’t use Google.

    OH, THEY’LL HEAR!

    Problem is, people have gone beyond being couch potatoes….they just dont care!

  • @Cyrano
    Charles Manson thought that he deciphered the upcoming apocalypse from the Beatles song “Helter Skelter”. I don’t want to sound Mansonchistic (I don’t even like pain), nor do I aspire to sound Mansianic (I can’t even save myself, let alone others), but I think something similar is happening in present time with the French yellow vests.

    I think it’s a prophecy that can be found in the Coldplay song “Yellow”. Apparently that rock band knew that the apocalypse is coming – they wrote a song about it, the lyrics are a coded message about the approaching apocalypse.

    Here is the course of action that I propose: The Coldplay members should be rounded up, and if necessary beat the s*it out of them, to make them confess what their prophecy is all about - i.e. how the yellow vest movement is going to end. I think this is the most sensible course of action that the French government could undertake under these circumstances.

    “The Coldplay members should be rounded up, and if necessary beat the s*it out of them, to make them confess what their prophecy is all about –”

    They have no idea what it’s all about. Still, I’m fully on board.

  • @Wally
    You certainly are fond of strawmen.

    There are no real free markets, and that's the problem.

    There are no real free markets, and that’s the problem.

    “Free markets” is an oxymoron, and the fact that so many don’t understand that is “the problem.” Markets are regulated by society (some form of government). Without money, markets don’t exist, just barter. Either government creates money, or the most common currency will control government. Without standards of weights and measures, there are no honest markets. Some authority must certify a merchant’s weights and measures. “Free markets” are a figment of imagination.

  • @Alligator
    There is no price for crossing a jew. They will try to extract a price as always, right? But there is no price... We are just human.

    “We are just human.”

    The Talmud says that only Jews are human and that goyim are mere animals. I am of European extraction with portions of English, German and French. I simply don’t buy into this “human race” jewish propaganda.

    I do like your user name though…

    Sleepy alligator in the noonday sun
    Sleeping by the river just like he usually done
    Call for his whisky
    He can call for his tea
    Call all he want to but he
    Can’t call me

    [MORE]

    Oh no
    I been there before
    And I’m not coming back around
    There no more

    Creepy alligator coming all around the bend
    Talking bout the times when we was mutual friends
    I check my memory
    I check it quick yes I will
    I check it running
    Some old kind of trick…

    Alligator was also the name of one of Jerry’s stratocasters:

    http://www.rareelectricguitar.com/W-851-Jerry+Garcia+Guitar.html

  • @JMaciber
    the monetary question among French opponents to the EMU and advocates of a return of full monetary sovereignty is the assumption that it would allow the French state to monetize its deficits outside of international financial markets ( in France, this BDF privileged was terminated in 1973 , much before the advent of the "snake" and then the EMU); doubled with the presumption that the recovered ability to devalue currency unilaterally would prime the trade pump, genrate trade surpluses, create employment and reindustrialization, totally forgetful of the economic reality that retaliatory devaluations are usually the result . This would recreate the old world classical currency wars within an area spared this past 20 years +.

    Another strawman argument:

    This would recreate the old world classical currency wars within an area spared this past 20 years +.

    And so what? The rest of the world have their own currencies – as we did before – and get along just fine.

  • @AnonFromTN

    What politicians do after elections is hardly ever the same as what they promised before the elections.
     
    Don’t you see that this statement means that electoral “democracy” is no more than a ruse? A meaningless song and dance to entertain the population. The “circuses” part of “beard and circuses”. In a word, 100% fraud.

    What politicians do after elections is hardly ever the same as what they promised before the elections.

    Don’t you see that this statement means that electoral “democracy” is no more than a ruse?

    What you mean is representative democracy, not ‘electoral’. Its the representatives that are the problem.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    Yes, you right, it is “representative”. Then again, if you elect, it means that someone else is supposed to represent you (which s/he never does), so in a way electoral and representative is the same thing.
  • @ikeo
    "Democracy ended in the EU member states in 2005"
    Real democracy never really existed in France. But their last piece of sovereignty was stolen in January 1973 through the Giscard law that delivered the French State into the hands of the usurers. Since then, like many others countries, they became debt slaves. When you reach that state, the subject of democracy becomes irrelevant.

    Would you care to explain what you mean by Giscard’d 1973 law delivering the country into the hands of the usurers resulting in debt slavery.

    It led me to look up the rate of inflation before the Euro was introduced. From 1956 to 1986 the French currency appears to have lost about 94 per cent of its value. It looks to me as though France continued for a long time after 1973 inflating its way out of the debt slavery problem. But no doubt that is not the whole story and you can explain why not.

    • Replies: @ikeo
    The 1973 law abolished the money sovereignty of the country and forced the State to borrow from private banks. Before 1973, the central bank was providing money to the State at 1% interest. In 1973 the debt was about 18% of GDP. Today France has a debt of 2300 billion Euro (101% GDP) and has to pay about 55 billion per year in interests. Before 1973, the interests of the debt were recycled within the country, as citizens could benefit from it: many had their savings in remunerated government bonds. Today, all this money is leaving the country and the people must pay for it through taxes.
  • @peterAUS
    I am actually surprised that nobody, so far, has commented on feasibility of "yellow west" (suggested) democracy in the current world.
    I do remember reading, ages ago, related material, but was hoping that somebody would chime in with a summary.

    Bottom line: Ancient Greek (Athens) type democracy can not work.
    Gets worse: US Founding Fathers democracy can't work either.

    There is a reason why, at certain SIZE and COMPLEXITY of a society, widespread democracy does not work.
    Yes, sounds good, feels great, but, can not work.

    The problem is bigger than having "corrupted elites".
    Hehe...but, of course, it's much easier to focus on them than onto the problem itself.

    My prediction: things will get messy and violent rather soon. Next phase.
    What happens then...well....we'll talk about that too.

    Athenian style democracy works very well using the Swiss model, whose basic parts i.e. neutrality, citizen army, cantons, were actually formulated by the – (little known fact warning!) – the great Greek statesman Capodistrias with an independent Greece in mind.

    It is a mistake to confuse size with efficacy. A country may have a huge population, yet all that is important is that the cantonal units are small enough to reflect that area’s popular will. So the USA has 350 million citizens? Let it have 1000 cantons of 350,000 pop. – or 500 cantons of 700,000. As with the 50 states of USA laws vary between cantons in Switzerland dependent on the will of the people.

    The same mistaken assumption is made about voter ballots in USA. The answer is to make voting districts sufficiently small so that the paper ballots can be counted in maximum 2 hours….as is done in most of the rest of the world. Hardly rocket science!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    That won’t change anything unless money is taken out of politics. It does not matter how big or small the district is as long as candidates are getting money from those who have a lot of it. So, no honest person has a chance, as nobody will give him/her money. Corrupt people have an advantage: the donors give because they rightly expect payback. Thus, the key is to make all campaigns financed to exactly the same limit and prohibit any additional sources of financing. In this case even 50 states would work better than they do now.
    , @peterAUS

    Athenian style democracy works very well using the Swiss model...
     
    And Switzerland is unique place on this planet. Plus it's small, has specific history shaped by European, even world (ge0)politics.

    I have no intention in going in this debate, really. Had it on some courses/papers I had once upon a time.

    There is a pattern seen since start of recorded history: as an entity gets bigger and more (economically and militarily) powerful, the TRUE power tends to concentrate upwards.

    Back to "yellow vests". It feels as incoherent expression of frustration.
    Granted, we are in uncharted waters so it might work. I am not optimistic.

    The cosmopolitan/managerial class is an expert in managing masses. By any means necessary. That's their core specialty and purpose.

    I have a feeling that we are entering a phase of more frustration, more "management" and more chaos, everywhere in West.

    My take: if the frustration doesn't get organized, with a clear vision, it will lose. It will be..."managed" and the show will go on.

    On practical level, "we" boast about that quality of the movement which has no leadership and that' quality because it can't be arrested, cooped etc.
    I guess I am the only guy here who strongly believes that's, simply, load of crap Or, better, sure way to lose.

    Hehe....don't bother, guys, with replies. Let's just wait and see. Two things shall happen:
    The movement will get ORGANIZED, with clear vision.
    OR
    It will continue as it is, getting just more violent.

    If former, great.
    If later, boring.
  • @jilles dykstra
    Any proof for 'cooked', other than the undemocratic French democratic system ?

    ‘cooked’ = the filleting of Francois Fillon, the most popular candidate by leaps and bounds and most probable winner, by exaggerated and false claims and an unrelenting media campaign against him.

  • @Heros

    "I’d say very few understand the facts and the connection."
     
    Very few have bothered to go to Codoh to verify Wally's links about the 6 gorillion. But they do know that jewish behavior in general and the "Holocaust" in specific is very sensative. They know about how jews will behave if you acknowledge the genocode of the Armenians, let alone call it a "holocaust" because jews are always trying to get laws passed to restrict calling the holodomort a genocide either.

    The people see this. They see foreigners like Irving and Zundel getting thrown in prison. They know about Germans like Germar Ruldolf who have been forced to flee the country. They see jews kvetching and extracting money. Israel is still sucking Germany dry after 70 years. Every time Israel puts on a media campaign and drags out some poor 95 year old "prison guard", the people see it.

    Greeks know that Golden Dawn was squelched under false claims of anti-semitism. Italians are aware that jewish central banks are turning the screws on Salvini. The Italians know Monti and Renzi were Rothschild dupes just like Macron, Holland and Sarkozy or Merkel and Schroder.

    No matter how hard Israel and the jews cover up and try to get the goyim to ignore their destriuction of Gaza and all the countries around them, the goyim are waking up about Palestine and the genocide of Arabs and Christians who had been living there too.

    So although I would agree that most Europeans have no idea of the breadth or the depth of the jewish fraud, they have become aware of jewish power and the price that is paid for crossing a jew.

    There is no price for crossing a jew. They will try to extract a price as always, right? But there is no price… We are just human.

    • Replies: @Heros

    "We are just human."
     
    The Talmud says that only Jews are human and that goyim are mere animals. I am of European extraction with portions of English, German and French. I simply don't buy into this "human race" jewish propaganda.

    I do like your user name though...

    Sleepy alligator in the noonday sun
    Sleeping by the river just like he usually done
    Call for his whisky
    He can call for his tea
    Call all he want to but he
    Can't call me



    Oh no
    I been there before
    And I'm not coming back around
    There no more

    Creepy alligator coming all around the bend
    Talking bout the times when we was mutual friends
    I check my memory
    I check it quick yes I will
    I check it running
    Some old kind of trick...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dycmjxghvqM

    Alligator was also the name of one of Jerry's stratocasters:

    http://www.rareelectricguitar.com/W-851-Jerry+Garcia+Guitar.html
  • @jamestommy
    “The single overriding demand of the movement: the Citizens’ Initiative Referendum (CIR)”, which exists in Switzerland, Italy and California.

    The question is do the governments of Switzerland, Italy and California respect the will of the working class? No.

    The truth is CIR is just another nice-sounding, toothless reform that’ll come to nothing.

    If Dianna Johnstone’s reporting here is accurate it doesn’t take a genius to see where this GJ is going.

    This demand was probably injected into the GJ movement by undercover government agents, who will keep agitating for it until an ideal moment arrives whereby Macron will concede to it.

    The media will spin it as “Victory for GJ! Macron Concedes to CID Demand!”

    Many protestors will fall for the ruse and go home. The protestors who are sharp enough to see through the charade will continue. Eventually they will be mopped up by the police.

    Dianne Johnstone seems to support the demand. Hmm.

    Many protestors will fall for the ruse and go home. The protestors who are sharp enough to see through the charade will continue. Eventually they will be mopped up by the police.

    Anybody can have his expectations.
    What now happens in France is not exclusively French.
    Anywhere in EU member states nationalist parties are emerging, I expect my Netherlands to be ungovernable after the March elections.
    The Belgian government limps on after Marrakech was signed.
    Brexit or no Brexit, about half the British population wants to be liberated from Brussels.
    The row between Brussels and the E European countries about admitting Muslim immigrants is escalating.

    How tensions inside countries are escalating we just saw in Bremen, Germany.
    An AfD party politician was nearly beaten to death.
    ‘Mopped up by the police’, how does one mop up 85.000 people, yesterday’s official, thus low, estimate of demonstrators in France ?
    Mopping up by a police sympathising with the demonstrators, how ?

    Where all this will lead to, I do not know.
    But, as I wrote here quite a few times already, at the end of the twenties in the Weimar Republic a politician emerged who promised to lead the German people out of the Versailles desert
    We just need a politician who promises to lead us out of the globalisation and EU desert, to change history now.

  • @animalogic
    I think you're pretty spot here.
    I suspect Australians could be convinced to vote for a republic if Republicans could present a single solid well argued case: never ending debate over the merits of a direct election of a "president", or an election by parliament, or by the government of the day & so on leave people confused & ultimately nervous. Faced with uncertainty on such a political fundamental, people incline to the status quo -- even if, in their hearts, a Republic is their real wish.

    It seems unlikely that even Prince Charles would be thought a sensible choice as GG now so it should be everyone’s logical expectation that the PM (and Cabinet) would want to choose a GG that would make the country and the government look good. The evidence doesn’t give much support for that though the misjudgments or misfortunes of PMs have been various from the vainglorious android often drunk John Kerr appointed by Labor’s Whitlam to the seemingly excellent choice of Peter Hollingworth by John Howard whose handling of deviant clergy when Archbishop didn’t fit the fast moving fashions. There will sometimes be a tendency to appeal to a minority or interest group by appointing an Aborigine or an activist woman on the calculation that those who don’t like the choice won’t care much but, on the whole we should count on PMs not wanting to be associated with someone who was an embarrassment. I suppose some longserving public servant would usually draw attention to the need to inquire into the spouse’s drinking and spending habits….

  • @densa
    I think that's a good idea (only from the registered voter population, not the whole). Senators could be elected by state legislatures, and the House could be actual people chosen by lottery to serve.

    If you've ever sat on a jury, you know 12 people can wade through quite a bit with pretty good results. The bonus is that every voter would know it was possible they would be called to serve. It would tend to make people pay attention and learn more about the system.

    Sure, you'd get some crackpots, but we've already got them. Few of them would be beholden to our special interest in the ME, so that's a plus. Honestly, I don't see how they could do any worse than the cadavers running the place today.

    What, in your experience and observation of human nature and human affairs makes you think the average citizen would pay enough attention with enough exertion of intellect to learn anything that seriously mattered about the system of representative plus bureaucratic government just because he became aware that there was some small chance that he would be called to serve as legislator? Does the average citizen who has not been called for jury service but might be try and learn anything about the jury system? Before conscripts were called up for past wars did they think they had a lot to learn about the armed forces and go out of their way to learn it?

    Perhaps call 5000 of whom 500 are needed and then, as part of the culling process, offer them a course of study and require them to get 80 per cent of questions right when tested on it….

    • Replies: @densa
    Okay, no doubt some limits would have to be placed on having a legislature made of The Public. If the current system could limit the effects of media and legalized bribery, maybe it could get better results than going to the telephone directory, but the Window needs moved over, so....
  • @AnonFromTN

    What politicians do after elections is hardly ever the same as what they promised before the elections.
     
    Don’t you see that this statement means that electoral “democracy” is no more than a ruse? A meaningless song and dance to entertain the population. The “circuses” part of “beard and circuses”. In a word, 100% fraud.

    No.
    People are not stupid.
    One can fool a lot of people for a long time, but not anyone all the time.
    I must admit that the present French insurrection is late, already in 2005 the French rejected the EU.
    On the other hand, French presidents since 2005 behaved cautiously, not the abrupt ‘modernising’ of Macron.
    That Macron became president, the two anti EU candidates are at odds about immigration, how weak his basis was was made clear in the first round, he got six of the ten votes, Mélenchon and Le Pen tohether four.
    Democracy functions

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    You just confirmed that every nation has the government it deserves. If Europeans sincerely believe that “democracy functions”, they deserve the “democracy” they have now. I had better opinion of Europeans. Apparently, I was wrong.
  • anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic
    I think you're pretty spot here.
    I suspect Australians could be convinced to vote for a republic if Republicans could present a single solid well argued case: never ending debate over the merits of a direct election of a "president", or an election by parliament, or by the government of the day & so on leave people confused & ultimately nervous. Faced with uncertainty on such a political fundamental, people incline to the status quo -- even if, in their hearts, a Republic is their real wish.

    said:

    I suspect Australians could be convinced to vote for a republic if Republicans could present a single solid well argued case: never ending debate over the merits of a direct election of a “president”

    Yet the usual suspects have been pushing a Republic here for the last 35 years, at least, yet they still haven’t been able to come up with that ”single solid well argued case”.
    Just out of interest,would you care to suggest what that case might look like?

  • @Wally
    - More Communist nonsense, and you're still not talking about a free market economy.
    Your fake strawman arguments just keep on coming.

    "How anyone can justify the continued pillage of the planet with it’s attendant human suffering based in the destruction of democracy is beyond me."

    - Here we go with "global cooling", then switched to "global warning", then switched to "climate change" then switched to "pillage of the planet". LOL

    - How has a truly free market economy 'destroyed democracy'?
    Silence.

    - It's the lack of that freedom which is destroying democracy, where Big Gov picks the winners & losers, where Big Gov robs workers of their pay to support Big Gov's violent agenda.

    - You're engaging in hilarious, confused and desperate Marxist double speak, per Orwell. Communism is the most failed system of governance the world has ever seen yet you support it. How's your 'new Venezuela' doing? LOL

    "a global system that has left the five richest people on earth with as much wealth as the bottom one-half of earth’s entire human population."

    - Please tell us how those five guys infringed upon your rights. What have they done that proves a free market economy doesn't work?
    I'm calling you out. We want facts not loserville Communism.

    You're all bluster.

    Criticism of capitalism, markets etc = (naturally) communism. Introducing communism in this manner is a strawman.
    “How has a truly free market economy ‘destroyed democracy’?
    Silence.”
    “Free” markets are mythical. There are (arguably) markets: some more, some less regulated. “Free” market is ideological shorthand for “market regulated to produce maximum benefit for an elite class”. Business people love government interference — when it benefits them.
    It’s perfectly OK to blame big Gov’ for society’s ills if you remember that the line between big Gov & big Money is nebulous to the point of being a mere handy concept.
    Incidentally, global warming is but one of a host of problems facing the planet: ocean acidification, massive dead zones & plastic islands, the dramatic decline of insect numbers (& pollinators inparticular), deforestation & etc etc. So even if global warming is a hoax there are still enough problems to be going on with…assuming that anyone gives a shit….

    • Agree: Miro23
  • Massive crowds for Act IX (continued pt. 2):

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  • For those who would like to witness the events of Act IX (scroll past my posts if you uninterested).
    Here is a series of events as captured by the Yellow Vest movement:
    In case you hear that the crowd size was small by the MSM, look here at the Yellow Vests in various cities across France.

    Massive crowds for Act IX:


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    • Replies: @densa
    Thanks! It's so inspirational, which is no doubt why it is hidden.
  • A good article. The Yellow Vests feel themselves becoming poorer.

    And one of the major organizations making them poorer is in fact French, and was being enthusiastically greeted this weekend by working people around Europe.

    The organization is Decathlon, the world’s largest sports goods retailer. It owns 1414 big box stores in 45 countries averaging 4,000m2 retail space each (located on main arterials that can be reached by at least 250,000 people within 20 minutes or less). It employs 87.000 staff, with an own brand lines of reasonable quality, well designed sports clothing/equipment (one or two brands for each individual sport) and it’s a budget one stop shop for its sector.

    IMO it’s a microcosm of the problem at the French, European and world level.

    For example, the retail assistants are all minimum wage young people, and the globalized manufacturing is all minimum wage Asian women. The European employees have no chance of getting a real living wage and the Asian girls live and work in conditions equivalent to slavery.

    German newspaper Zeit, wrote about one of these workers in Sri Lanka (changing her name for her own safety) in the article, “Sewing on an Empty Stomach” https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/2017-12/decathlon-working-conditions-production-textiles-asia-english

    Milanti, in any case, has just finished a 12-hour shift at one of the 12 Decathlon suppliers in Sri Lanka, and she has no claim to vacation time or sick pay.

    As she does every day, Milanti walked the 1.5 kilometers to work after spending the night with her husband and children in the same bed. The family lives in a so-called boarding house, huge numbers of which have sprung up outside the multiple free trade zones in Sri Lanka, providing shelter to the army of workers. They tend to be little more than barracks with tiny rooms in which residents sleep and cook. The area around Katunayake, near the Colombo airport, or near Wathupitiwela, located not far away, is full of such boarding houses.

    Many of the beds are shared. When one woman heads of for a nightshift, another who has just arrived home lies down to get some sleep. The boarding houses don’t have bathing facilities, with Milanti having washed herself with water from an outside well and a tiny piece of soap. Shower gel is much too expensive for the family.

    Even in good months, Milanti’s wages from the Decathlon supplier hardly amount to more than 150 euros (172 dollars). A quarter of that total goes to rent and electricity, with an additional quarter going to childcare, with school ending in early afternoon.

    So is anyone making a living wage in Decathlon?

    Well, each brand has a dedicated team of designers and testers, who produce good products, and who at least live in nice places. The leading Decathlon ski brand, Wed’ze, has a design studio in the Haute-Savoie (which employs 70 people). https://www.wedze.co.uk/blog/wedze-inside-haute-savoie-region-birthplace-wedze-products

    Also, outsourcing needs plenty of sophisticated logistics so there are going to be some well paid people there along with financial people to handle the billions of Euros in cash flow.

    But basically the money arrives with the 0,1% elite billionaire private owners, and the next question is, who has more influence with the elite EU bureaucratic leadership, them or the mass of European unemployed?

    Prior to the internet, digitalization and globalization, European sports good were developed and manufactured in Europe, in some cases providing a tradition livelihood to towns and villages in the poorer regions. Skills and capital were passed down through generations to make some excellent products which are now gone – with the work places abandoned or converted into rows of Chinese import warehouses.

    If the EU elite wasn’t allied with the globalist elite, they could for example tell Decathlon that they have to manufacture in Europe is they want to sell in Europe. The result would be a boost for European employment with higher priced sports goods (and less sales and profits) and Decathlon scouring Europe for the lowest cost sourcing.

    But, at least the money would stay in Europe, and the principle could be applied to the other industrial sectors that are all going the same way.

  • @joeshittheragman
    People have wised up. They know now the holocaust malarkey was/is a hoax.

    The next step on the path of “wising up” is that it doesn’t matter if the holocaust was a hoax or not.
    Quite simply, the holocaust has been a blank cheque, drawn upon for so long it’s become totally threadbare. Nothing can justify the shenanigans of Israel & the infinite conceit, duplicity, hypocracy & self entitlement of its supporters — & certainly not the questionable events of over 70 years in the past.

  • @M Edward
    Yeah, I hope they just keep on hammering away. It may be their only chance.....

    The demonstrators should use the power of the word and call the movement “French Spring.” Time to give the globalist cannibals a black eye.

  • @onebornfree
    Renoman says: Revolution is here and it will not go quietly. Houses will be burnt, the rich will die in large numbers and the poor in much larger numbers but it will not go quietly into the night. The fuse is lit.

    Although I'd be more than happy to see all [or even some], of these globalist scumbags get their comeuppance, truth is, in the end it would all be for nothing:

    “Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free.” [ my emphasis] H.L. Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

    “the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free.”
    The so-called delusion disappears when you realise that neither “govern” nor “free” are absolutes. Both are complex & dynamic, admitting of possibly infinite degree, quality & interaction.
    Interestingly, at the individual level, one could argue that self governance is the basis, if not essence, of personal freedom.

    • Agree: Miro23
  • @Charles Pewitt
    I am so proud that the French Yellow Vest Patriots are ignoring that horrible anti-White shyster rat that uses the name Berny Henry Levy.

    That Berny Henry Levy guy is an anti-White shyster Jew who never misses a chance to attack White Christians and patriotic French men and women.

    That 1968'er dirtbag Berny Henry Levy is just like the red diaper baby crowd of Communist Jews in the United States that have infested the media, academia, finance, advertising and government rackets in the USA.

    The French people should deport Berny Henry Levy to sub-Saharan Africa.

    White Core Americans should deport the anti-White and anti-Christian Jew element in the USA. Regular Jews can stay, the nation-wrecking globalizer Jews who push globalization, financialization, mass immigration, multiculturalism and wars for Israel should be deported.

    VIVE LA FRANCE! VIVE LA YELLOW JACKETS!

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/510825705576628224

    The slob is not over-educated — the slob’s general intelligence is not robust enough to allow him to become a thinker of any significance. The only competitor to the slob’s mediocrity is the gargoyle (and war criminal and France-wrecker) on the left.

  • @Anon
    Indeed now it seems Australians scan the world and can't find a system which looks evidently better than they have even if one could think of a few tweaks that one might get 5 per cent of people to focus on and agree would be improvements. The supporters of a directly elected head of state whos opposition to the version on offer sank the referendum must be glad that they have had a few years to think about the fine print and learn, perhaps from other enthusiasts like the Brexiteers, what disasters can occur if you don't do all the homework in advance and understand exactly what you are instituting.

    I think you’re pretty spot here.
    I suspect Australians could be convinced to vote for a republic if Republicans could present a single solid well argued case: never ending debate over the merits of a direct election of a “president”, or an election by parliament, or by the government of the day & so on leave people confused & ultimately nervous. Faced with uncertainty on such a political fundamental, people incline to the status quo — even if, in their hearts, a Republic is their real wish.

    • Replies: @anon
    said:

    I suspect Australians could be convinced to vote for a republic if Republicans could present a single solid well argued case: never ending debate over the merits of a direct election of a “president”
     
    Yet the usual suspects have been pushing a Republic here for the last 35 years, at least, yet they still haven't been able to come up with that ''single solid well argued case''.
    Just out of interest,would you care to suggest what that case might look like?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    It seems unlikely that even Prince Charles would be thought a sensible choice as GG now so it should be everyone's logical expectation that the PM (and Cabinet) would want to choose a GG that would make the country and the government look good. The evidence doesn't give much support for that though the misjudgments or misfortunes of PMs have been various from the vainglorious android often drunk John Kerr appointed by Labor's Whitlam to the seemingly excellent choice of Peter Hollingworth by John Howard whose handling of deviant clergy when Archbishop didn't fit the fast moving fashions. There will sometimes be a tendency to appeal to a minority or interest group by appointing an Aborigine or an activist woman on the calculation that those who don't like the choice won't care much but, on the whole we should count on PMs not wanting to be associated with someone who was an embarrassment. I suppose some longserving public servant would usually draw attention to the need to inquire into the spouse's drinking and spending habits....
  • “The single overriding demand of the movement: the Citizens’ Initiative Referendum (CIR)”, which exists in Switzerland, Italy and California.

    The question is do the governments of Switzerland, Italy and California respect the will of the working class? No.

    The truth is CIR is just another nice-sounding, toothless reform that’ll come to nothing.

    If Dianna Johnstone’s reporting here is accurate it doesn’t take a genius to see where this GJ is going.

    This demand was probably injected into the GJ movement by undercover government agents, who will keep agitating for it until an ideal moment arrives whereby Macron will concede to it.

    The media will spin it as “Victory for GJ! Macron Concedes to CID Demand!”

    Many protestors will fall for the ruse and go home. The protestors who are sharp enough to see through the charade will continue. Eventually they will be mopped up by the police.

    Dianne Johnstone seems to support the demand. Hmm.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra

    Many protestors will fall for the ruse and go home. The protestors who are sharp enough to see through the charade will continue. Eventually they will be mopped up by the police.
     
    Anybody can have his expectations.
    What now happens in France is not exclusively French.
    Anywhere in EU member states nationalist parties are emerging, I expect my Netherlands to be ungovernable after the March elections.
    The Belgian government limps on after Marrakech was signed.
    Brexit or no Brexit, about half the British population wants to be liberated from Brussels.
    The row between Brussels and the E European countries about admitting Muslim immigrants is escalating.

    How tensions inside countries are escalating we just saw in Bremen, Germany.
    An AfD party politician was nearly beaten to death.
    'Mopped up by the police', how does one mop up 85.000 people, yesterday's official, thus low, estimate of demonstrators in France ?
    Mopping up by a police sympathising with the demonstrators, how ?

    Where all this will lead to, I do not know.
    But, as I wrote here quite a few times already, at the end of the twenties in the Weimar Republic a politician emerged who promised to lead the German people out of the Versailles desert
    We just need a politician who promises to lead us out of the globalisation and EU desert, to change history now.
  • Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    – Le Mercosur, nouvelle source de tensions entre la France et l’Union Européenne
    – CETA : la France tente d’obtenir l’appui du Canada
    – MERCO-SCAM – How the EU-Mercosur Free Trade Agreement would encourage illicit financial flows

    ”This is the latest in a series of studies commissioned by the European Parliament’s European United Left/Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) looking into EU taxation, with the focus shifting onto the problems that could arise under a free trade agreement between the EU and the Mercosur, MEFTA.

    Written by three Argentines – financial crimes investigator Magdalena Rua plus economists Martin Burgos and Verónica Grondona – “MERCO-SCAM – How the EU-Mercosur Free Trade Agreement would encourage illicit financial flows” exposes the great potential for tax dodging and other illicit financial flows should a deal be concluded between the EU and Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay.”

    https://www.bilaterals.org/?merco-scam-how-the-eu-mercosur

  • Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Given that the French Republic is ontologically rooted in a protest that is precisely parallel to that of the Yellow Vests, one could make the argument that Macron lacks a viable moral defense and should step down in response: thankful that this is not one hundred years or so prior and thus that he gets to keep his head.

    French politicians should always respect the prospect of the people’s razor, in moral and nationalist principle if not as a realistic outcome.

    Second, the Jewish belief system holds in its doctrine that the souls of all non-Jews to be that of the animal and nothing more. Its fundamentally hostile to Europe and all other nations.

    Any of its defenders are fundamentally hostile to Europe. This spiritual supremacy is responsible for the Jewish behavior that has led to the vast majority of Jewish-involved conflict. Macron is a traitor for attempting to use the anti-semitism charge as a cudgel. All Jews should relocate themselves to Israel as soon as possible, a mass relocation which was a fundamental justification for the creation of that State. Its about time that all that was sacrificed for its maintenance take its payment.

    The Antifa scum are extralegal internationally supported shadow oppression against all non-Jewish nations in the West. They are only exist to help enforce the anti-foreign-national political ends of the Jews as described throughout their Torah. They can and will be dealt with as such.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
  • Quite simply put, the EU is the Fourth Reich.
    The Five Eyes + Israel are the hand in the sock-puppet.

  • Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    MONSTERS

    68. The intention of the European Union to develop a common European army is obvious.

    46. Since concerns over Irish neutrality and European militarisation were a key reason for voting No in the first referendum, according to the Irish Times and TNS surveys in May and June 2008, why should the Irish people accept the Lisbon treaty take two?

    35. The increased militarisation of Europe is of great concern to many people who would prefer to see Ireland retain neutrality. In the referendums on Nice , Ireland was assured that a European Army would never happen, but now the basis for a common defence policy and EU battlegroups are in place. Lisbon looks toward a ‘progressive framing of a common Union defence policy’.

    100. Democracy.

    Ireland’s 100 Reasons to Vote ‘No’ to the Lisbon treaty

    The European Journal
    Tuesday, September 1, 2009 | Jim McConalogue
       
    https://europeanfoundation.org/irelands-100-reasons-to-vote-no-to-the-lisbon-treaty/

  • The French yellow vest are the bravest people on the face of the earth right now. Viva la France!!!
    This ones for you..

  • Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Three years later, the National Assembly – that is, politicians off all parties – voted to adopt virtually the same text, which in 2009 became the Treaty of Lisbon.

    Ireland REFUSED to ratify the Treaty of Lisbon. Then Sarkozy and his friends asked Ireland to vote again, i.e. to say Yes to Lisbon. They had ZERO respect for the initial decision of the Irish, which was NO to the Lisbon treaty. ZERO respect for ”democracy”.

    ”THE EUROPEAN UNION

    We recognise the danger of the growing European Union becoming a world superpower in its own right. […]

    Republican Sinn Féin has opposed full membership of the EU from the outset as a highly centralised political and economic power-bloc where decisions about our lives are taken in completely undemocratic institutions. Our struggle has been to manage our own affairs and our programme is for maximum power at the base. That is real democracy and the very opposite of EU imperialism.

    Under the EU our resources (eg fish) are being taken. The EU bureaucrats are doing well on their large salaries and so are the big farmers. But the plan is to wipe out the small farmers and restructure industry so that the EU centre can prosper at our expense.

    In agriculture far from the promised guaranteed level, milk, cattle and sheep prices are down. New standards for milk collection are being brought in to force the small farmer out. We can expect these processes to increase further. Irish neutrality is under sustained threat.”

    From: rsf.ie

  • @Diana Johnstone
    Banking reform is definitely among issues raised. In particular, a return to the French Central Bank (versus the European Central Bank) so that the State no longer gets heavily into debt to private banks. This implies leaving the euro. The discussion is just beginning.

    the monetary question among French opponents to the EMU and advocates of a return of full monetary sovereignty is the assumption that it would allow the French state to monetize its deficits outside of international financial markets ( in France, this BDF privileged was terminated in 1973 , much before the advent of the “snake” and then the EMU); doubled with the presumption that the recovered ability to devalue currency unilaterally would prime the trade pump, genrate trade surpluses, create employment and reindustrialization, totally forgetful of the economic reality that retaliatory devaluations are usually the result . This would recreate the old world classical currency wars within an area spared this past 20 years +.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
    Another strawman argument:

    This would recreate the old world classical currency wars within an area spared this past 20 years +.
     
    And so what? The rest of the world have their own currencies - as we did before - and get along just fine.
    , @ababush
    So let's go with Macronomic?
    Better to try to do something different, because the present methodology applied since 1983 has proven to be a disaster for the french economy.
    You know Albert Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
  • @ikeo
    "Democracy ended in the EU member states in 2005"
    Real democracy never really existed in France. But their last piece of sovereignty was stolen in January 1973 through the Giscard law that delivered the French State into the hands of the usurers. Since then, like many others countries, they became debt slaves. When you reach that state, the subject of democracy becomes irrelevant.

    And the last piece of free speech ended with the Fabius-Gayssot Act of 1990.

    Where free speech and scrutiny of the fictitious ‘holocaust’ was banned because the ridiculous and impossible narrative & scam cannot withstand free speech & scrutiny.

    Originating in Zionist run France, it is now the norm in the totalitarian EU.
    see:
    French Courts Punish Holocaust Apostasy: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p14_Weber.html
    much more here:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=Fabius-Gayssot+Act

    Only lies require censorship and imprisonment of those who engage in free speech.
    http://www.codoh.com

    Thanks.

  • @Gary
    "There are no real free markets, and that’s the problem" - laughing out loud! Yeah, right, and there is "no invisible hand raising all boats either" I might add nor are there any "miracles" associated with "the market." And, sad to say "there is no Easter bunny as far as I can tell."

    No, there is only the endless greed, human suffering and ecological destruction produced by a global system that has left the five richest people on earth with as much wealth as the bottom one-half of earth's entire human population. Neoliberal Capitalism in action. But, wait, don't tell me, those five richest people "worked so much harder than those 3.3 billion fellow humans did that they "deserve" their wealth. And "if only we remove all environmental controls" and "all government regulations" everything will be hunky dory! How anyone can justify the continued pillage of the planet with it's attendant human suffering based in the destruction of democracy is beyond me. "Straw man" arguement indeed.

    – More Communist nonsense, and you’re still not talking about a free market economy.
    Your fake strawman arguments just keep on coming.

    “How anyone can justify the continued pillage of the planet with it’s attendant human suffering based in the destruction of democracy is beyond me.”

    – Here we go with “global cooling”, then switched to “global warning”, then switched to “climate change” then switched to “pillage of the planet”. LOL

    – How has a truly free market economy ‘destroyed democracy’?
    Silence.

    – It’s the lack of that freedom which is destroying democracy, where Big Gov picks the winners & losers, where Big Gov robs workers of their pay to support Big Gov’s violent agenda.

    – You’re engaging in hilarious, confused and desperate Marxist double speak, per Orwell. Communism is the most failed system of governance the world has ever seen yet you support it. How’s your ‘new Venezuela’ doing? LOL

    “a global system that has left the five richest people on earth with as much wealth as the bottom one-half of earth’s entire human population.”

    – Please tell us how those five guys infringed upon your rights. What have they done that proves a free market economy doesn’t work?
    I’m calling you out. We want facts not loserville Communism.

    You’re all bluster.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    Criticism of capitalism, markets etc = (naturally) communism. Introducing communism in this manner is a strawman.
    "How has a truly free market economy ‘destroyed democracy’?
    Silence."
    "Free" markets are mythical. There are (arguably) markets: some more, some less regulated. "Free" market is ideological shorthand for "market regulated to produce maximum benefit for an elite class". Business people love government interference -- when it benefits them.
    It's perfectly OK to blame big Gov' for society's ills if you remember that the line between big Gov & big Money is nebulous to the point of being a mere handy concept.
    Incidentally, global warming is but one of a host of problems facing the planet: ocean acidification, massive dead zones & plastic islands, the dramatic decline of insect numbers (& pollinators inparticular), deforestation & etc etc. So even if global warming is a hoax there are still enough problems to be going on with...assuming that anyone gives a shit....
  • … it is a revelation of the real nature of “the system”. Power lies with a technocracy in the service of “the Markets”, meaning the power of finance capital. This technocracy aspires to remake human society, our own societies

    TEKNOCRASSIE: ”Un âge d’humains sans coeur, de sang froid et de malheur, car l’homme sera réduit, à toutes les sciences assujetti”: